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6 hours ago, Orea Mou Kiria said:

Didn't Amy showing out of the blue a few weeks/months before Olivia made some people on the board speculate that the original idea was a triangle with Amy, Nathan and Drucilla as her kid sister/cousin?

This is what I thought. Amy and Nathan had history and Dru would have been a great addition to that. Frank and Loretta Lewis could have been featured more. We didn't see Loretta much, meaning the strained relationship with Dru could still have played out. Dru could have initially been friends with Jazz (without him knowing she was Amy's sister) Tyrone could have represented Dru in some legal issue she had when she came to town. His connection to Amy making him fight to keep her out of jail. 

Then we move to a triangle with Amy and Nathan, then move her into another one later with Olivia and Neil, a married couple who arrive in town. Dru has an affair with Neil. Liv gets pregnant, he returns to her. Liv dies during the birth (Never really cared much for Olivia) and Dru and Neil slowly make their way to making a family. Then Malcolm shows up. 

I agree Tyrone and Jazz could have stayed along with Amy, Nathan, Frank, Loretta and still add Olivia and Neil and still include Mamie too. Have her leave the Abbott family and start her own B&B or something, maybe with John's backing. 

I also think having Amy and Paul have a fling during the Rawlins murder mystery would have been great and given some tension between Paul and Nathan too.

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

That’s awesome!!  his last day was December 2, 1987 when he decided to stay in Pittsburgh with Faren and Betsy 

 

would you be able to find out Michael Damian’s debut from 1981?

I couldn't find anything definitive. This was all I could find from June 12, 1981

From Newsday May 13, 1981 announcement of Steven Ford joining Y&R. This information appeared in several newspapers and all confirm his start date was May 20, 1981. 

1 hour ago, BoldRestless said:

Thanks! So I had the month correct then.

 

Just wondering, do you ever plan to finish 1985 on the Soaps of Yesterday Blog? I was using your site to figure out the correct dates for the Soap Opera Digest 80s recaps because they add a lot more detail (sometimes practically recounting the dialogue in a scene). I did that for 1975-1984 so far. And of course once I get to 1986 it will be easy cause there are daily recaps. Just need to finish 1985. No rush, since I'm very busy right now and won't even be able to look at it til May or June, but do know that I still check your site for updates all the time, it was an excellent resource!

 

Super excited for this 1982 ep, unbelievable  

Yes I have plans to return to that. Life has been hectic, so I needed to take a break, but things are getting themselves together, so I will have more time for it

On 6/11/2021 at 5:55 AM, BoldRestless said:

I was pleasantly surprised they showed some brief old clips on Friday's show.  What month/year is this from? I've seen this scene come up in a number of montages over the years. It can't be Halloween 1981 because Nikki doesn't find out Victor's identity until early November. 

This seems to be Nov 23 - 27 1981 as we see a very brief glimpse of this when Lorie first meets Robert Laurence, which was that same week. 

Yeah hopefully he has more full eps. The first full ep we got from the original uploads was somewhere around Mar 3, 1982 or there abouts. So hope we can bridge that. It would be awesome if he has a ton more and more of the intro of the Abbotts and more Jill. 

Also confirmation that Wes Kenney was with the show at least from Feb 01, 1982. I get the feeling the end credits began listing everyone when he started rather than just the people in the episode. I wonder when he officially took over

@BoldRestless and anyone else who might be interested. I have edited together the Nov 81 and Dec 81 clips in order and put them in the vault in two files under the 1981 clips section as Lorie Edits with the dates if you want to watch in order. They are long (about 2hrs) and 2GB files

I am not 100% on the Lorie and Lance having dinner clip being in the right place as SOD states around that week that they had a dinner with Vanessa at Lorie's apartment. But their intimate dinner alone was Nov 81 based on their conversation, so I had to guess.

@kalbir Yes I was hoping for more too and that scene with Victor sounds like a pivotal one and would be great to see. So far only the Oct 15 partial ep has other characters. I do wonder if these came from the same source as the original vault clips and if the youtube channel has a different set of edits starting in 1982. Or possibly more full episodes from 1982. 

4 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Wow!! So happy that one of the clips contains a partial 1981 episode!! Heaven!!

It is 11min long without commercials and has the scenes of Victor/Douglas, Nikki/Cash/Leroy, Sally/Jonas and Liz/Snapper

18 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

@will81 thank you, thank you! As someone who is obsessed with watching things in order, this helps so much! It will get messy once they get into 1982 when we have the other big set of clips.

No worries

The only mistake I made was "Vanessa and Lucas drop by, Vanessa jumps to her death" I believe this was Nov 06, 1981 and was shown again on Nov 09, 1981. 

For those following the Lorie edits. I have put together a rough guide to the dates of the clips. 

Who Shot Jill? on Y&R

I would have made the shooter Katherine. She basically says if she did it she wouldn't care and it would have made the ending that much better and maybe made Kay seem more unhinged towards Jill, but also maybe she could have had some guilt that would explain her tolerating Jill more.

I mostly would have played the story the same way, except Sven didn't do it. He only thinks he did it, as he keeps having flashbacks to being in the bathroom with the gun. In reality he found Jill, picked up the gun and ran off and blacked out. He later plants the gun at Jack's. 

Jack still takes the fall as Katherine went to visit Jack first before seeing Jill and she accidentally takes Jack's gun in her drunken state.

Through the summer it would have been great to see Kay slowly remember through hazy flashbacks, but Sven also thinking he remembers shooting Jill as well. As she gets closer to pointing the finger at him, Sven still kidnaps her. 

After Jill is rescued, it would have been amazing to see the real culprit (Katherine) flashback to everything that really happened, or did it? Is Kay's mind playing tricks on her? I think leaving it up in the air, but making Katherine the official shooter on paper would have been great. 

Clip G around the 30min mark is from early 1981 when Lorie and Leslie were fighting for custody of Brooks. Mitchell Sherman (William Wintersole) makes an early appearance. Brooks also appears. I believe played by R.J Williams. I remember an article that stated during the scenes when Leslie took Brooks to the Circus (Y&R did an elaborate indoor set for this) R.J broke his arm (might have been off set) and Andre Gower replaced him. I can't find the article though. But it was around summer 1981

19 hours ago, kalbir said:

In those Lorie edits, Victor seemed really drawn to Lorie. I think she was the one that got away. I'm pretty sure Victor/Lorie was Bill Bell's initial plan until behind the scenes events changed the storylines. Now if Victor/Lorie happened would they have worked as a 1980s high society power couple, with Victor running Newman Enterprises and Lorie writing bestsellers?

You may be right but not sure if Victor/Lorie was a definite plan. Bell wanted Lance back and they approached John McCook in mid to late 1980 to return and only began recasting once he firmly declined. So it seems Bell had always wanted to wrap up or revisit Lorie and Lance. There was no reason in 1981 that Lorie and Victor couldn't have been lovers, but they barely interacted that year until after Vanessa's death. So I do wonder what happened there. He put Victor in the triangle or sort of quad with Michael/Julia and Eve and put Lorie back in the 4 L's quad.

I have to wonder if Bell was waiting for the other shoe to drop with JLB. She had been talking about leaving every year since 1975, but apparently she got pretty close to going in 1980 and I wonder if he knew it was only a matter of time, maybe he saw how burnt out she was. I feel like in 1981 Bell was wrapping up a lot of Lorie's past threads with Vanessa going and Lance returning and ultimately choosing Leslie. Lorie was being cut loose long before she left and her last story, besting and leaving behind Victor, had her go out on top. I wonder when Bell knew she was absolutely leaving. 

1 hour ago, yrfan1983 said:

Great find, thanks!! Some of the clips aren’t new, but some are! I only had time to briefly skim but I noticed a ‘79(?) scene with Lorie and Brock that looked new.

There are a number of "new" clips, Lorie and Leslie and Lorie and Lucas from around 1978. A long conversation between Lorie and Vanessa before Vanessa jumps from the balcony. More from Lorie and Lance's honeymoon in 77. Lance (now Dennis Cole) giving Lorie an engagement ring. More with Lorie and Mark Henderson than was seen on the previous set of clips as well. 

On 2/21/2022 at 5:43 AM, soapfan770 said:

Sheila’s omission from the opening credits is pretty prominent. I mean even Lisa Mansfield had been squeezed into the opening credits. Not sure why Brown was left out of the 1990 and 1991 opening updates as there was three versions of this Lauren opening where should would have fit in:

 

 

Kimberlin wasn't on contract until around Dec 1990. So she was never going to be in the 1990 opening, not sure why she wasn't added to the 1991 credits though. 

Victor hated Jack for many reasons

He stole a Jabot perfurme formula and sold it to Mergeron making Victor look like a thief and costing him a lot of money

He tried to lure Nikki to Jabot - Victor was very possessive and already saw Jack as a cheat and a con artist

Nikki cheated with Jack during the time she was pretending to still be sick. Jack convinced Nikki to bilk Victor for as much as she could and then dump Victor. Victor felt Jack was mostly to blame for all of it. 

He convinced Leanna to write Ruthless and even though he was not repsponsible for the chapter on Ashley, Victor still blamed him for it

He hated the way Jack treated Ashley

Jack married Nikki just to get Jabot back - which showed his true colours to Victor. Victor had also humiliated himself trying to win Nikki back during this time. He lost Nikki to Jack again in 1992 when she was pregnant with Jack's baby. 

I don't think Victor hated Jack for being rich or well off. Jack gave Victor plenty of reasons to hate him. He liked John because John was a respected man and honest business man. Also John was Ashley's father (okay Brent was, but John raised her) and I do think Ashley and John were similar in many ways. He also liked Dina. Actually Jack was the only Abbott he ever hated. He even liked (and eventually slept with) Jill. 

On 2/7/2022 at 12:53 PM, hendersonite said:

Ann Marcus was the headwriter in June, 1975, when Tony's death scene aired.  Peggy O'Shea did not start until 1976.

 

 

Just as a heads up Peggy O'Shea started Nov 1975. Probably around Nov 24. Though that is pretty much 1976. Ann was there from June 1974 - Nov 1975.

21 hours ago, Joseph said:

Question: Did Janice Lynde Get Nominated for an Emmy for Plahing Lairel on OLTL? Someone made a playlist on the character and described that Miss Lynde Got Nominated for Playing Leslie Brooks and Laurel Chaplin yet I never heard of it

The worst part I have the impression she did that herself but I may be wrong

Pretty sure the first acting nomination and win in the leading or supporting actress category for Y&R was for Beth Maitland (I believe Terry Lester was another early nominee in the male category and Tracey Bregman got a special award for ingenue or something). Pretty sure Janice was never nominated for any emmy for any of her daytime roles. Maybe she was nominated for a different award and it has been confused with a Daytime Emmy. 

3 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Thurs Oct 26 1995

Y&R primetime episode 9pm

#56 9.1/14. This episode was  up against the world Series on ABC #1 and a special line up of comedies on NBC (Frasier/John Laroquette)#15 and #22

Does anyone know what happened on that episode and why CBS aired a primetime special?

It must have been in the planning for sometime as it had to fit in with the daytime schedule. As I recall, the nightime eps had a more primetime filming and pacing feel? Am I correct?

Victor/Chris/Paul track down Amy - Matt also finds out where she is

Dru confronts Nathan about his affair while Malcolm gets romantic with Keesha

Brad and Jack hit the gym and argue about Nikki

I'll check the SOD's I have from 1995 and other sources to see if I can find out the reason CBS/Sony decided to do Primetime ep. Not sure why they did this one

ETA: So far all I can find is that CBS were happy with the response from 1994 primetime ep and decided to do it again, it also sounds like they were trying to bring in an audience that had little interest in the World Series. 48 Hours aired after Y&R and did a show on romance novels. So it does sound like CBS were setting a theme and targeting a certain demo for the night. 

7 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Y&R did primetime episodes in 1994, 1995, 1996, and 1998. I think there was maybe one or two more as well I can’t recall all of them.

Getting to the important question - Which was the one that had Don Diamont's butt in it? Had to be post NYPD Blue being on air. Maybe the 1995 ep?

18 minutes ago, Vee said:

Janet did well with "Made For Now" and that's what spurred a bit of a resurgence beyond the more loyal audience. It wasn't her umpteenth song about fùcking and it wasn't something we'd all heard before from her. I don't think she's going to turn back into 90s Janet the hitmaker but I do think she can continue to build off the recent energy and appreciation and put out at least one more pretty solid album. I liked some of Unbreakable more than anything since the '90s - there were a fair amount of hit singles in the 2000s but I didn't think the overall albums worked.

Madonna def went through it in the mid-90s and there was a time I thought she had gone too far for people and was done. Evita and Ray of Light were her massive comeback. But Janet has never had a comeback of that magnitude or global impact, and nothing Madonna has experienced since (including any anti-Bush critique in the 2000s, which lots of artists did at the time and the Dixie Chicks got way, way more heat than her) is remotely comparable to how much Janet fell off in the same period with the media, the public and critically. American Life didn't work because it was a bad album, and Confessions was a hit. Janet would've killed for either of those sales or attention, and she didn't get it because there is a different standard for her than for Madonna.

Damita Jo still went platinum in the US which is what Confessions did in 2005, 20 Y.O went Gold in the US and so did Hard Candy in 2008.

I think the difference is Janet was still in her prime (even though I didn't like her music) She should have sold more. At least for those two albums and especially in the US.

I think the other major difference was Les Moonves and the corporations that basically wanted to bury Janet, and that is where the racism did come in. I don't think Madonna would have suffered in that way. She was blacklisted from radio but then so were the Dixie Chics - but that was political conservatism and not race related in anyway. 

Janet was punished in an extreme way - she should have never been punished at all, she did nothing wrong (accident or not)

I guess what I am saying is M was punished for the things she did - that doesn't negate the racism, especially towards black women that has and still does happen. My initial statements were not taking that into account. It was a fan defending M, not me trying to say because she  was treated badly that racism isn't a factor for women like Janet or that M suffers in the exact same way. 

I am not American, but nor am I white and I know the racism of my country and what has happened to the women in my family. What they fought for and how they have been treated. 

14 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Not wanting to get into comparisons, but there is a brutal history of both hypersexualization of Black girls and women, while simultaneously punishing Black women who do have the temerity to take ownership of their own sexuality in a way that does not happen with other women.

It just doesn't.

So, you can have something as a blink and you miss it moment of a breast that hardly anyone even saw until the media decided to replay the instance over and over incur the wrath of a head of a network for at least a full decade. 

Also, those who watched the documentary know that the Superbowl was not the only incident of a corporation taking putative measures for something associated with the actions of someone else. Up thread, I mentioned what happened with Coca-Cola.

But I do think the more mainstream success one has the more one is able to get away with. In that case, Janet did not have that prolonged amount of mainstream success. I don't know what Black women has that. Beyonce? Eventually "they" came for her too by the time of  Formation. Things have changed since then and fortunately, Beyonce could not have cared less.  

And feminism within the U.S. has historically left out, diminished or flat out ignored the struggles of Black women.

Absolutely agree. I don't want to compare either - I had no intention of minimising the racism, even if that is how it came across. 

15 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

So you're saying you basically believe that Janet orchestrated the breast flash the way Madonna planned her book launch? I just want to be clear on what you're saying.

Not sure, never have been sure, though I don't think it matters if she did or not, I was not making any definitive statement about it. Even if she did - the punishment was not deserved. She didn't show her nipple, it was covered up, I don't get why it was ever an issue, except that conservatives were always like this. They could only punish Madonna so much for publishing a book that minors couldn't get their hands on, but they could accuse Janet of corrupting the youth of America. It was purantism

6 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Janet's treatment post-Super Bowl was definitely equal parts racism and sexism coming together in one big toxic mix. 

Yeah I agree. I think I was more annoyed that people seem to think M was just having some great old time selling sex and being rewarded all these years and it wasn't like that at all. 

2 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Why has this descended into a Madonna vs. Janet in a thread that was discussing the documentary? And this feels like this has happened before?

I am not trying to vs. I was just pointing out that M hasn't had it easy, the treatment for both has been more misogyny than racist. No women in the business has had it easy. Janet didn't deserve what she got and neither did Madonna.