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Sorry if anything bad happened. I hope it gets resolved (not just so you'll share stuff) I put my foot in my mouth in another thread and still feel bad about it. So hopefully they will be good enough to apologise if they did something wrong.

Yeah I probs wouldn't scan and upload, but just writing out the the info in a post shouldn't get anyone in trouble.

Totally understand. I shared a few 1977 scripts in the Look into the Past thread, but wasn't sure about uploading the scripts directly. So I just did a synopsis and gave the front page details (Cast/Writers/Tape and Air Date) If that isn't too much trouble, I would say that would suffice and wouldn't land anyone in any hot water. Totally up to you though

If you feel like sharing them, that would be awesome. Even if you can give us cast/tape & air date/writer info and a synopsis would be amazing too

I believe Ed Scott left in Dec 2001 and I am also sure Bill Bell's health was very poor by that time. John Smith became a co-HW with Kay Alden and Trent Jones in Jun 2002. By 2003 Bill Bell was no longer an Executive Story Consultant and in 2004 he was no longer Senior Exec Producer. He was now a co-exec producer with John Smith. I am sure there were power struggles over the show starting in 2002. Interestingly 2002 is generally considered the last really solid year of B&B as well. I'd say Y&R and B&B had smiliar trajectories. This makes me think Bill was more involved with B&B post 1993 when Brad officially took over. Both had a drop in quality around 94/95 both regained in 97/98 and both were done (for me anyway) by around 01/02

I'd also say Bell not really being in LA until 1986 was part of it too. He may have had a zero tolerance policy, but he wasn't there to enforce it. As has been said, once Lauralee was there full time and the Bell family had moved to LA the drug use would have stopped. At least anywhere near the work place. It was probably still being passed around at other celeb events though, not much Bell could do about that. From what I have heard coke was everywhere back then. You couldn't avoid it, even if you didn't use it.

Next set of Lorie edits are up I think the last clip is from summer 1982 when Lorie was about to marry Victor. I don't believe they ever entertained the idea of marriage during her trial

My feeling was Stefano really hated John and wanted to torture him to no end. My idea would be that John was an MK Ultra victim, considering that is a real cover up that many know about and how popular conspiracy theories are it would fit well in today's show and still sort of honour the history. They should have pulled it back to that and had Stefano have links to dirty government officials. The story is that John was supposed to infiltrate the police or some other agency and go rogue. Hence why they brainwashed him to be Roman. I guess Stefano in retrospect kidnapped Marlena because he was obssessed with her. There was never more said about it. I do think successive writing regimes were probably building to something with John, but the constant writer change built to nothing. It is hard to have a story with so many twists and turns that get scrapped and retconned. I can't keep track of his back story.

Marlena seemed more on John's side "You do what you need to, I'm here" Kristen was more like "You have to stay a priest or the gates of hell will open up" I do think there was foreshadowing at that point. I don't think Kristen's religious devotion was that strong prior to John finding out he might be a priest, she was religious but not that devout. It ramped up when it needed to and disappeared when it needed to. I think the whole town should be embarrassed about mistaking John for Roman. They question it for a split second and then just accept it. Despite the height and build difference. At least facial surgery is plausible, somewhat. In terms of him being a virgin. He probably wasn't. I'd say DiMera probably had him in a trance sleeping with women he thought was his wife Marlena, to get him ready, lol. I do wonder if there were any other physical differences Marlena noticed, haha. Eric - I haven't watched the show much since Kristen was dropped in the Harem, and I only returned to watch ED's first come back. So I don't know his story well enough.

Maybe Marlena had some moments when she pushed John to the priesthood, though I get the feeling they may have been moments when she was feeling guilty about her affair. Not sure. Yeah I don't think John was aware of his own feelings, but it seems JER was setting up that John and Kristen were not 'meant to be' and his beloved Doc knew him. I agree it was not until Aremid that John started to realise it, somewhat. Lol John going back and forth is a bit odd. No sure it does work that way. My uncle is a priest and has never had a relationship. He is very much 'married' to GOD. I think if you leave, that's the end of it. Not take backs, haha.

I didn't think Marlena was pro priest. Only because I remember it being the first time John looked at Kristen (who was pushing him to stay with the church) like she didn't understand him, while Marlena was simply agreeing with whatever John wanted and thus he felt this stronger connection to her. That they knew each other and she understood who he was.

This is what I thought. Amy and Nathan had history and Dru would have been a great addition to that. Frank and Loretta Lewis could have been featured more. We didn't see Loretta much, meaning the strained relationship with Dru could still have played out. Dru could have initially been friends with Jazz (without him knowing she was Amy's sister) Tyrone could have represented Dru in some legal issue she had when she came to town. His connection to Amy making him fight to keep her out of jail. Then we move to a triangle with Amy and Nathan, then move her into another one later with Olivia and Neil, a married couple who arrive in town. Dru has an affair with Neil. Liv gets pregnant, he returns to her. Liv dies during the birth (Never really cared much for Olivia) and Dru and Neil slowly make their way to making a family. Then Malcolm shows up. I agree Tyrone and Jazz could have stayed along with Amy, Nathan, Frank, Loretta and still add Olivia and Neil and still include Mamie too. Have her leave the Abbott family and start her own B&B or something, maybe with John's backing. I also think having Amy and Paul have a fling during the Rawlins murder mystery would have been great and given some tension between Paul and Nathan too.

I couldn't find anything definitive. This was all I could find from June 12, 1981

From Newsday May 13, 1981 announcement of Steven Ford joining Y&R. This information appeared in several newspapers and all confirm his start date was May 20, 1981.

Yes I have plans to return to that. Life has been hectic, so I needed to take a break, but things are getting themselves together, so I will have more time for it

This seems to be Nov 23 - 27 1981 as we see a very brief glimpse of this when Lorie first meets Robert Laurence, which was that same week.

Yeah hopefully he has more full eps. The first full ep we got from the original uploads was somewhere around Mar 3, 1982 or there abouts. So hope we can bridge that. It would be awesome if he has a ton more and more of the intro of the Abbotts and more Jill. Also confirmation that Wes Kenney was with the show at least from Feb 01, 1982. I get the feeling the end credits began listing everyone when he started rather than just the people in the episode. I wonder when he officially took over

@BoldRestless and anyone else who might be interested. I have edited together the Nov 81 and Dec 81 clips in order and put them in the vault in two files under the 1981 clips section as Lorie Edits with the dates if you want to watch in order. They are long (about 2hrs) and 2GB files I am not 100% on the Lorie and Lance having dinner clip being in the right place as SOD states around that week that they had a dinner with Vanessa at Lorie's apartment. But their intimate dinner alone was Nov 81 based on their conversation, so I had to guess. @kalbir Yes I was hoping for more too and that scene with Victor sounds like a pivotal one and would be great to see. So far only the Oct 15 partial ep has other characters. I do wonder if these came from the same source as the original vault clips and if the youtube channel has a different set of edits starting in 1982. Or possibly more full episodes from 1982.

It is 11min long without commercials and has the scenes of Victor/Douglas, Nikki/Cash/Leroy, Sally/Jonas and Liz/Snapper

No worries

The only mistake I made was "Vanessa and Lucas drop by, Vanessa jumps to her death" I believe this was Nov 06, 1981 and was shown again on Nov 09, 1981.

For those following the Lorie edits. I have put together a rough guide to the dates of the clips.

Who Shot Jill? on Y&R I would have made the shooter Katherine. She basically says if she did it she wouldn't care and it would have made the ending that much better and maybe made Kay seem more unhinged towards Jill, but also maybe she could have had some guilt that would explain her tolerating Jill more. I mostly would have played the story the same way, except Sven didn't do it. He only thinks he did it, as he keeps having flashbacks to being in the bathroom with the gun. In reality he found Jill, picked up the gun and ran off and blacked out. He later plants the gun at Jack's. Jack still takes the fall as Katherine went to visit Jack first before seeing Jill and she accidentally takes Jack's gun in her drunken state. Through the summer it would have been great to see Kay slowly remember through hazy flashbacks, but Sven also thinking he remembers shooting Jill as well. As she gets closer to pointing the finger at him, Sven still kidnaps her. After Jill is rescued, it would have been amazing to see the real culprit (Katherine) flashback to everything that really happened, or did it? Is Kay's mind playing tricks on her? I think leaving it up in the air, but making Katherine the official shooter on paper would have been great.

Clip G around the 30min mark is from early 1981 when Lorie and Leslie were fighting for custody of Brooks. Mitchell Sherman (William Wintersole) makes an early appearance. Brooks also appears. I believe played by R.J Williams. I remember an article that stated during the scenes when Leslie took Brooks to the Circus (Y&R did an elaborate indoor set for this) R.J broke his arm (might have been off set) and Andre Gower replaced him. I can't find the article though. But it was around summer 1981

You may be right but not sure if Victor/Lorie was a definite plan. Bell wanted Lance back and they approached John McCook in mid to late 1980 to return and only began recasting once he firmly declined. So it seems Bell had always wanted to wrap up or revisit Lorie and Lance. There was no reason in 1981 that Lorie and Victor couldn't have been lovers, but they barely interacted that year until after Vanessa's death. So I do wonder what happened there. He put Victor in the triangle or sort of quad with Michael/Julia and Eve and put Lorie back in the 4 L's quad. I have to wonder if Bell was waiting for the other shoe to drop with JLB. She had been talking about leaving every year since 1975, but apparently she got pretty close to going in 1980 and I wonder if he knew it was only a matter of time, maybe he saw how burnt out she was. I feel like in 1981 Bell was wrapping up a lot of Lorie's past threads with Vanessa going and Lance returning and ultimately choosing Leslie. Lorie was being cut loose long before she left and her last story, besting and leaving behind Victor, had her go out on top. I wonder when Bell knew she was absolutely leaving.