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On 8/24/2018 at 6:09 PM, yrfan1983 said:

I'm watching '93 now, and I am shocked how intolerable they have made Katherine... hounding Jill relentlessly for no clear reason. 

That's what drives me crazy about the latter rewrite Y&R did in regards to the Kay/Jill feud. In the 2000s every character seemed to behave as if Katherine was a kind old woman that Jill had relentlessly been cruel to for decades and it was quite the opposite. Both women were venomous, but Katherine tended to quite often obsess bitterly over Jill and interfere in her personal life for no apparent reason. 

Aww. I wish I had not missed the 1998 episode. 

On 8/4/2018 at 8:41 AM, YRfan23 said:

Pannoni4 just uploaded 2 February 1984 episodes to his page!  @DRW50 @SoapDope @yrfan1983 @YRBB @kalbir @soapfan770 @Paul Raven@Dax7000 @Y&R21395

Thank you so so much for telling us. I was literally just wishing someone would upload classic Y&R haha!  This is perfect. 

1 hour ago, danfling said:

Clint became the editor of the Banner.  He was a reported up until the death of Joe Riley, Sr.

 

The name of the newspaper that Dr. Dorian Callison owned was THE INTRUDER, not the Inquirer.

 

And, Viki's subsiderary book publishing  company bought all of the copies of Dr. Dorian Lord's auto-biography and kept them in a South American warehouse.  (Maybe her company was the one that published Sloane Carpenter's Lord of the Banner.)

I thought Cord and the Buchanans purchased the company to stop Dorian's book? Or was he just the one who made the deal for Viki to buy it?

On 6/26/2018 at 7:42 PM, j swift said:

The Lord family owned a paper mill/generic manufacturing plant (Lord-Manning), a large estate (Llandfair), a newspaper (The Banner) and a tv station (WLAN) which is how Viki got her cash.  She rarely married guys with any money,  (even Clint didn't have control of his family's fortune during their marriage when he worked as a reporter for the Banner), I don't think any of her marriages caused a loss in liquidity.  Tony and Meredith died and Todd and Tina weren't in the will so they got a cash buy out and Viki got the rest.   Thus, if The Banner operated at a loss she was fine because she was diversified.

 

Viki had to buy Dorian out of Llandfair which is how she became initially wealthy.  Then, she had kids by David Rinaldi and Mr. Santi, who both had access to lots of ill gotten gains.  Also, her familial wealth is always a question because she had that wealthy aunt who was retconed in along with Paul.  Plus, she had some of that Mendorra money from her time as an ambassador and Todd bought Inquirer and turned it into The Sun newspaper from her. . So, while I don't think she was ever a billionaire, I didn't worry about whether or not she could make a mortgage payment and afford to keep two sisters in sanitariums.

 

I question how good ol' Asa kept his fortune.  Not only did he wed lots of wives who drained the coffers with expensive divorces but he had secret wives who had to be kept on islands and in gothic mansions; and that takes money.  Neither Bo nor Clint was ever trained in the oil business.  Bo was in the army, then on the ranch, then he ran a country record company, he had a brief foray into factory work, some tv producing and eventually took the natural leap into chief of police.  Clint studied journalism at a prestigious university and worked as a reporter until his mid-40's.  Somehow both boys learned the oil business while working in the London office?  Because London is known for it's oil business?  Meanwhile, Chuck was trained in the company and passed over for promotion due to nepotism; a classic mistake in maintaining inherited wealth.  Finally, Buchanan Industries seemed to constrict to just being an oil company in later years and sold off the music, fashion, and ranching divisions to open offices in expensive European capitols; not a great business plan.

I thought Dorian was tossed out of Llanfair after her marriage to Herb allowed Viki to gain control of the estate per a condition in Victor's will? I'm not debating, but just asking since I've only seen chunks of the 80's stories, but not the whole thing. I don't know if one of Victor's will gave Dorian back Llanfair. 

5 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

 

How did Dorian get so rich? The radio guy in this video says she has a billion dollars. I know she got some type of money from Victor's estate, but I also recall her going broke in the mid to late 80's briefly and then she had the Intruder, but the character's wealth still never quite made sense to me after the endless revisions to Victor's will. Todd only got $27 million.

Speaking of that, how rich was Viki supposed to be? I always found Viki and Dorian's wealth to be kind of vague and confusing. I think Asa was richer than either of them and at times I got the feeling Todd was also. 

When did Lisa buy the Lakeview? I don't recall her owning it prior to 2001.

13 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

After all the depressing news out there this week, boy would I love there to be a never-before uploaded episode from the 80s appear on You Tube!  That would be such a gift.

Amen. It's annoying how there seems to be a ton of All My Children popping up on my subscriptions, but not any new ATWT. 

On 6/5/2018 at 3:08 PM, JellicleCat said:

 

 

 

 

 

Reading all this makes me realize just how much of Katharine and Jill Bill Bell re-used when he created Stephanie and Brooke on B&B.

I liked the Brooke/Stephanie dynamic for the first several years, but then B&B started making Brooke do far out incredibly manipulative and selfish things, like screwing her daughter's husband, yet had damn near every character excusing her behavior as not being her fault. It kinda reminds me again of how Y&R tried to re-write history as Katherine being a saint. 

19 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Jill wasn’t a saint by any means but I do also hate how everyone in town did seem to think Katherine was this angel when long time viewers know better....it’s the same with Victor and how everyone turns a blind eye at all he’s done...

Amen! Jill was often a witch, but Y&R was so much better when the complexities of each character was acknowledged. Katherine was truly obsessive and bitter towards Jill, but she was also compassionate, kind, and not snobby despite her wealth and social standing. Jill was devious, rude, self involved, but was shown to have a heart and the ability to care for others. It was great.

I hated years later when they tried to literally strip it to "Jill was always so mean to poor Katherine". That, along with the weird way they made Katherine a staunch Victor cheerleader in her last decade or so, was really irritating. 

That 1993 episode really reminds me of how insane Katherine's Jill obsession was. It seems like her story often became nothing more than her obsessing over whatever Jill was doing. 

10 hours ago, j swift said:

Llandfair also had a family crypt, a pool with cabanas, and at least one secret room.

 

Of course it was mostly represented by the foyer and sitting room.  Although what was outside of the sitting room changed over time.  At one point it was gardens, I recall when Cousin Richard lived there that the pool was right outside of the sitting room and then when Ben fell out of the window of the sitting room it seemed to have moved to the second floor; but my memory is not as good as some.

I always hated the tiny porch outside the library at Llanfair. I understand budget and studio limitations, but it always seemed odd to me that they would have a wall or trellis blocking their view of the rest of the yard. Dorian's house had that as well, I think. I also disliked that the library was the room opposite the front door, not a living or sitting room. It was pretty much a living room, but they called it the library. Phoebe's house on AMC did the same thing. 

I liked 80's Llanfair. I wish they would just have redecorated it, not completely changed the layout after the early 90's fire plot. 

18 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Thanks for posting these pics @Dax7000 Eileen Fulton looks wonderful.

I bet if someone wrote a great script for her Kathryn Hays and Elizabeth Hubbard, they'd all be ready to get up on it!  

 

As I always say, if I had the ability to raise the $$$ and get PGP's permission (fantasy-land, I know), I'd write the ending storyline arcs that the actors and the fans deserved. I'm not claiming perfection but everybody deserved better than what was delivered in the last decade (which I'd promptly re-write as Steve's prison hunger-strike fever dream).

 

 

My pleasure. I adore Ms Fulton and was not happy with the disrespectful and dismissive end they gave Lisa, one of the show's most important legacy characters. She was my favorite and it was so sad the way they used her less and less as the years went on. I understand soaps need fresh blood as actors get older, but ATWT had a great cast of veterans who should have been given a lot more to do. But I'll resist going on a rant lol.

Can someone please tell me how big the Llanfair estate was supposed to be? I recall, maybe in the late 70's or early 80's, Viki inviting Pat Ashley or someone to move in. She said the property had stables, tennis courts, an east wing that had about 12 rooms. I think Dorian was about to be tossed by Clint and Viki at that time.

Years later it seemed the property was much smaller. They always went to the club to play tennis and I don't recall them mentioning stables except that one time. 

Apologies if these have been posted, but new Eileen Fulton pictures from a recent appearance. 

Credit to her Facebook fan club https://www.facebook.com/eileenfulton01/

I could be wrong, but I believe Dorian named her house around 2003 or 2004. I vaguely recall her being angry about not having Llanfair, or one of her jealous things over Viki, and saying she would call her house La Boulaie. Paul, Melinda's son, gave her a book of French estates as a gift or something. I also remember Viki seeing a plaque Dorian put outside her stating the house had been built in 1899 and going "This house was built in the 1950's, Dorian!"

Dorian was such a great character. I miss her.

I liked Holden, mainly due to me being shallow and finding Jon Hensley to be very handsome, but the rest of the Snyders bored me. I don't know why, but I sometimes felt the show tried to push Emma as the central "sensible and down to earth" matriarch type character, which bothered me. Nancy Hughes, in my opinion, was the only one who fit that role. 

My all time least favorite character was the forever whining Julie. However, nothing seemed more absurd to me during those times than Duncan and Shannon's castle.  

Utter nonsense and lies. Jill Farren Phelps is known for disliking older actors. Her getting rid of Robin Strasser, one of OLTL's most valuable players, was proof enough. She also purged GH of God knows how many vets, heavily limiting the screen time of those who remained. 

I wish there was more 1984 stuff online that involved Eileen Fulton's Lisa and Whit. I really would have enjoyed seeing the Lisa/Lucinda feud at it's start. 

21 hours ago, j swift said:

 

I disliked Travis/Erica because of how it differed from Sky/Raven.  Sky and Raven were a team.  Two scallywags who stuck together through mystery and mayhem.  Other women or men never had a chance to try to seduce them because there were in love with each other.

 

It was an Agnes Nixon trope that selfish people change through the love of a good partner; but I think it is poppycock.  Erica needed someone who loved her for her strengths, not someone who tried to strengthen her.  Jack, Nick, and Adam loved the ideal of Erica more that the real thing.  Travis, Phil, Jeff and Tom tried to remodel her after their own ex-loves.  Mike and Jeremy were just adventurous flings.  I don't think any of them were "end game" lovers.

 

Erica's relationships with women changed over time.  After years of bitchy cat fights from Tara to Brooke, Erica found friends like Opel and was very loyal.  I never understood why they played Phoebe's forgiveness of Erica off stage once Mona died.  Suddenly, Phoebe allowed Erica into the country club without a fuss after years of excluding her.  However, I can't think of a single guy who really had a lasting effect on Erica's personality.

 

BTW the Erica kidnapping story reminded my of a SOW article about a remote in NYC of Erica shopping for the baby.  As I recall, even the charm of baby shopping in spring in NYC did not change their negative opinion about the story.  You have to hand it to SOW that they never held back their critiques. 

I felt Adam accepted the real Erica more than any other husband- even the nasty, ruthless side- provided he was in control of things. Unlike  other husbands, he would have been happy to let her manipulate others, help her with petty schemes, etc. The problem was she never loved him and he was insane in certain ways. 

Jack drove me nuts. He was extremely preachy and arrogant. It drove me crazy in later years how he'd hold Erica to one standard, then ignore the truly heinous things down by Greenlee ((I hated them making her his daughter. HATED it)). I know they were accidents, but almost killing one of Erica's grandkids and later almost killing Erica herself? Even if she didn't mean to, those things happened because she was trying to kidnap the child and trying to frame Erica for a crime. I kinda blame AMC's horrible, horrible writing in later years. Even the ending- him walking out cause Erica wants to make a film instead of marry him for the 500th time- was dumb. He couldn't just go with her to Hollywood and wait?

I liked Erica's friendship with Opal, but sometimes felt it was nearly one sided. Palmer commented on it in an early 90's episode when Opal was pregnant. Incidentally, I think Palmer might have been Erica's only true male friend. There's a really nice scene at the beginning of this 1987 episode with them. I like it cause Erica was actually shown trying to be a good friend to him 

Watching old episodes, I noticed something that leaves me confused. Brooke was Phoebe's niece and, if I recall, had a trust fund that Phoebe controlled when Brooke first arrived. Where did that trust fund go? If Phoebe was old money, surely Brooke should have been rich herself? I know she wasn't portrayed as poor, but I've seen episodes basically implying her character's not all that rich. I wonder if she had rejected her family's wealth?

I really liked Brooke, but I felt the writers could have given her some type of personality flaw instead of trying to make her so sensible damn near all the time. 

I largely disliked the Travis years with Erica. While I agree it added some nice growth to her character, I found Travis to be largely self absorbed, temperamental, self righteous , hypocritical and generally irritating. I didn't think of Jackson as much better. The fact that Travis- a man literally responsible for getting Bianca kidnapped, then later responsible for her going to the hospital due to his ignorance regarding kids and medication- was somehow able to wrangle full custody was one of AMC's most absurd stories. 

I felt they really tried to basically ruin Travis with the Barbara baby story. He had a good reason, but his intolerance of Erica's daring to be upset was ridiculous. Add to that the way he used Bianca as an excuse to make Erica let him back in the house, then threatened to walk out on them at Christmas if Erica didn't try to forgive him...ugh. The character was disgusting by that point. 

I felt AMC never did the best job of balancing the ambitious Erica that ended in the mid 80's with the late 80's wife and mother Erica. The Montgomery brothers  dulled her in my opinion, and I especially disliked how they, along with Barbara, would out vote Erica and talk down to her during Enchantment business. Erica's career ambitions were often my favorite part about her, so I missed that. She was just kinda a sometimes hilarious man chaser without that.

1987 episode. Not sure if it was uploaded on another channel. This channel has great classics from other soaps as well 

Such wonderful uploads. The 1985 episode was so interesting, especially compared to later Y&R where they always tried to portray Katherine as some saintly victim of Jill's. It really sucks the later writers took Katherine's edge away and made her little more than a Victor Newman cheerleader. 

Classic Y&R is a treat to watch. There's a lot of classic AMC and ATWT, but Y&R takes more effort, so I am grateful.

I'm curious about Liz not having much money. Wasn't she the widow of the wealthy Stuart Brooks?

Thank you so much for these great videos.  Such a treat!

2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Eric Braeden tweeted about the Colleen heart transplant story

That was arguably the WORST storyline EVER!! Absolute bullshit! I hated that storyline! But by the time I got wind of it, it was too late to protest!!

It WAS stupid given that Victor now has an Abbott heart, yet still goes after Jack every chance he gets. Traci literally told him not to waste her daughter's heart and we see how that went.

In terms of it being the worst, I disagree. Victor's had quite a few horrible storylines, all of which have made him look downright evil, in the last few years. The one where he tried to convince Sharon she was seeing her dead child stands out. Yes, it did lead to her meeting MarIah, but to use someone's, especially a woman who has struggled with mental illness,  dead daughter to cause them to break down? That's kind of sadistic imo.  

I don't know if anyone has posted this link, but someone uploaded several Victor and Nikki scenes to Google Drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5mFy--WwGtzeVpsQjVQSWYyRlk