Dion

I was happy to see Lesley turn up at the board meeting, and that she went to Monica for help at the end.

18 hours ago, ccroom50 said:

Peter Trying To Kill Dr. Andre Maddox and Franco Baldwin and The Whole Town Of PC Finding Out and Making Him Pay

That hasn't really been dropped though. Peter originally managed to get out of it by framing Liesl for it but she's now back in town seeking revenge. Peter also confessed to Valentin that he was behind the attempt on Andre and Franco's lives just last week.

I did see a map of Salem once in a Days book from the late 90s, early 2000s. It located Salem on both a river and a lake (with a smaller river connecting the lake with the river). I always liked that map.

6 hours ago, titan1978 said:

Ken Shriner says she used a storm to get rid of a bunch of characters she didn’t like, and put Laura and Scotty in the shed together to survive.

Hmmmm....Laura and Scotty in the shed was pre-Monty during the September storm as far as I know. Is it possible Kin Shriner misremembered? After all, GH was notorious for its axing sprees during the period from 1975 - 78 so I image it would be easy to confuse which producer/writer did what to get rid of who lol.

On a related note, that storm killed off Diana's daughter Martha and introduced both David Hamilton and Nurse Dorrie.

11 hours ago, Taoboi said:

And I might have missed it since I've only recently started back regularly but...does Robert know yet that Holly is alive? 

No not yet. That whole story got postponed by various COVID issues (including Emma Samms' battle with long COVID) so the story hasn't picked up from September (when Robert and Olivia went looking for Holly, only to encounter Ethan and then after some adventures they all concluded that Holly was really dead; only for it to be revealed that Holly really was alive and being held captive).

20 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Playing catchup...I've already said what I felt about the idea of Britt/Jason but...Sam and DANTE???

Yeah, they are so obviously chem testing Sam and Dante atm

On 2/9/2021 at 2:10 PM, titan1978 said:

I also would love to see the storm she used to get rid of the characters she wanted gone right away.

Was it Monty who did the storm? I thought that was in September 1977 and Monty's episodes didn't start til January 1978.

Port Charles is located in Upstate New York, most likely on Lake Ontario, somewhere near Rochester. The map below is one possible location. It is about 32 miles north-west of Rochester, about 24 miles north of Batavia and about 47 miles north-east of Buffalo. I believe the show had already been using Rochester as a stand in for establishing shots for years before actually shooting on location there for Luke and Laura's return story in 1993; however Rochester has been mentioned as a separate city (and indeed, Lesley was being held captive in a house there immediately prior to her 1996 return).

2 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Wow. Unholy alliance indeed.

I should add - if you haven't seen the videos yet - that "unholy alliance" wasn't a description I came up with, but what the characters themselves described it as. And it sums up their situation at the time - and even now to an extent - quite neatly

18 hours ago, OzFrog said:

Did Olivia and Brenda ever share scenes together during 2010-11? I know Olivia would have been indirectly involved because of Dante and Brenda’s “child”, but I didn’t seem to find anything of them interacting directly together.

I can't find anything of them directly interacting either; Olivia was there at Sonny and Brenda's wedding but even at the wedding they don't seem to have had any direct interactions.

6 hours ago, Taoboi said:

I am confused.

 

When did Nina and Ava start getting along?

 Since Cynthia Watros took over as Nina. I like their "friendship", but as always some of their past conflicts have pretty much been glossed over such as Ava's affair with Silas, Nina kidnapping Avery, Ava drugging Sasha back when Nina thought Sasha was her daughter etc etc. I guess you could say that a line was kinda drawn under all that after Nina got her revenge by publishing a scandalous expose on Ava in Crimson (their only significant clash during Watros' tenure), only to be quickly brought down to earth herself when she found out Sasha wasn't her daughter.

Anyway, the story goes is that not long after the Crimson expose, Ava had a mental breakdown - stemming from issues over Kiki's death, Ryan and seeing Nikolas alive - and ended up in Shadybrook; there she was tormented by the recently back from the dead Nikolas. Ava had recently bought a portrait (from Dev, of all people lol) of Helena that contained a codicil to Mikkos' will that disinherited Valentin and Nikolas wanted Ava to tell him where the portrait was, so he pretended to be a ghost and told Ava that he would be stuck in hell with Kiki is she didn't tell him where the portrait was.

Meanwhile, Nina was playing a long-game. She had known all along that it was Valentin who had hired Sasha to pretend to be her daughter and wanted revenge. Valentin eventually told Nina about the codicil and that Ava had somehow gotten hold of the portrait. Seeking answers, Nina went to visit Ava at Shadybrook and was shocked at the state that Ava was in. Ava explained that ghost Nikolas had told her that Kiki was in hell. Nina ended up finding Nikolas' ring and realized that Nikolas was actually alive, so the two teamed up in an unholy alliance against both Nikolas and Valentin.

After that played out (with Nina exposing Valentin at the altar and Ava forcing Nikolas to marry her), the two have basically been friendly ever since.

Oh god, I'm dying!

46 minutes ago, Skin said:

Pretty much cheating stories are useless without the sex scenes. They are needed to show, amplify and viscerally feel the betrayal.

That's a good point. One of the reasons the John and Marlena affair was so successful in my mind was because of the sex scene on the plane while everyone else was gathered at the house to celebrate Roman and Marlena's anniversary.

On 1/20/2021 at 10:02 AM, victoria foxton said:

Not my favorite era. Still better than the last 20 yrs. GH was in state of transition. I marvel at how quickly. Wendy Riche got the show in good shape again. Carl is that Tobey Maguire?

Lol...I knew that Robin was briefly harassed by a bully as part of Faison's plot to kidnap Anna (I think Anna went to confront the bully's mother but was met by Faison instead), but never knew the bully was played by Tobey Maguire. He must have actually been in a number of episodes spanning a few weeks.

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Nikolas and Mary and Connor leading to Emily's rape and someones? murder (Sage?).  Which eventually leads to Emily/Sonny and Courtney/Nik.  Gross...

yes that's the one. Nikolas crashed his car on the way to save Emily from Zander and ended up amnesiac and in the care of Mary, who told Nikolas he was her presumed dead husband Connor.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Also, hasn't this story happened before?  With the aforementioned Angel?  Didn't he meet her after he was shot or stabbed and she saved him and took him to a farm or cabin?

I don't know much about what happened with Angel and Sonny, but I do know it happened with Nikolas and Mary...

49 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

See? I felt like Jason has run the organization well EVERY time he has taken over. Except for maybe 2008 but I was not a regular viewer then to verify.

In 2008, Jason actually refused to give the organization back, so Sonny joined the Zaccharas and ended up in that arranged marriage to Claudia. They reconciled post toxic-spheres and Jason handed the organization back over.

37 minutes ago, carolineg said:

To be fair though, I literally think a Brenda coming back announcement will happen any day now with no basis on facts because, you know, 2010 sucked but I still believe it will be righted somehow eventually lol.

31 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

I even think the reason some of the cast are finally leaving now is to make room.

If/when they do get her back, Kassius could play Brenda's son. Dev's death left room in the teen set afterall.

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Oh and back to today, I was very happy to see Lesley back already. Wasn't too sure about her comments about having had affairs with lots of married men at first, but I think she was making a bit of a sarcastic joke about it since she initially didn't put it together that Cyrus was referring to Gordon (I mean seriously Laura, I love you, but you told Carly about Cyrus being your brother before you told your own mother?).

41 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

It's been a minute since I've seen it, but I remember that everyone preferred how Jason ran the organization over Sonny. Wasn't there even a bit of tension between them when Sonny finally came back? 

was that this time (1998 - 99) though, or  was it the time in 2006 when Jason took over the organization after Sonny was dating Emily , or the time in 2008 when Jason took over after Michael got shot?

19 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Sorel and Moreno are names I know, but I think they are the same person lol except one had the annoying daughter that wore only white then only black.

The names (and actors change) but the basic characterization stays the same!

It was Sorel who had the annoying daughter. I think she was the one who ended up killing him.

21 minutes ago, carolineg said:

You make it seem more coherent and exciting than I am sure it was

Yes, I find that summaries will often make a storyline seem more coherent and exciting. I think it's because the day to day factor is removed; you don't have to watch something uninteresting play out over months, it's just neatly packaged into a concise summary lol.

On 1/2/2021 at 4:12 PM, titan1978 said:

Although I bet if I saw counts from 1979, 1980, and 1981 I would see a lot of Luke and Laura and in 79 and 80, Scotty, and I bet Lesley just under them.  The show was better and more balanced, which is what JFP and Guza did not do, but still.  And by the mid 1980’s- Robert.

From my 1981 viewings I definitely think Luke would probably be number 1 but I actually feel Lesley would have still appeared more than Laura. In fact, I feel it's likely Heather may also have appeared more than Laura and possibly more than Lesley also.

I feel Robert was top ten as early as 1981 - so right from the get-go - and, with the sole exception of 1986 when Tristian Rogers had left for a year, would probably have stayed that way until 1991 (Robert's last full calendar year before being presumed dead in 1992).

8 hours ago, carolineg said:

So who was in charge of the mob between Jason and Sonny's return lol?  I assume it doesn't matter, but now I am kind of curious to find MB's return on you tube.

I wasn't watching at the time but from reading SOC recaps it seems Jason got spooked by a car bombing that almost killed Robin (shades of Sonny and Lily). So he made a deal with Moreno to let Moreno take over his organization, provided that Moreno left Jason's men in place as insurance so that if anything happened to Jason, Jason's men would be still embedded and able to avenge him.

However, as @full hearts says, Jason was still targeted by Moreno's mob, though indirectly through Jason;s family and friends. Johnny, Jason's former bodyguard, had left the business and was trying to run a new restaurant but Moreno tried to force him into his protection racket in direct violation of his agreement with Jason; Moreno had Johnny beaten up when he resisted.

Now this next part is slightly off-track, but I think it's an important subplot to the story. At this time, Felicia was renting a room on Cortlandt Street, the bad part of town, in order to do research for a book she was writing. Alan, who was an addict and had been kicked out by Monica, was renting a room across the hall. Moreno found out about Felicia and planned to have Felicia drugged in order to obtain compromising photos with which to blackmail Mac, but this plan failed and it was Felicia and Alan's friend Tammy who was drugged. Alan's drug-dealer was killed and planted in the bed with Tammy; Alan found them and tried to get rid of the corpse, only to be discovered by Taggert. Alan was arrested for murder. Felicia eventually figured out what had really happened and that she was the intended victim of a blackmail scheme and detailed all of this to Jason. Alan was cleared and underwent a rapid detox.

Just before Christmas 1998, Jason went to visit Sonny (who was drunk and grieving over Brenda) in Puerto Rico. While there, Jason got word that Moreno had targeted The Outback on the night of a performance by the band Chicago (nothing specifically to do with Chicago of course, just an interesting tidbit), that resulted in Mac being shot. Jason failed to persuade Sonny to go back to Port Charles, so sent Mike to look after him over the New Years period. Eventually Sonny was persuaded to return and he started building a new organization to rival Moreno's. Sonny had Jason cut ties with him for a while so Jason would be in a stronger position to fight for custody of Michael (as AJ had just learned the truth from Robin). Jason eventually returned to being Sonny's right-hand man.

Later that year, Moreno was assassinated by his henchman Sorel on the same night that they had ambushed Jason (and the same night Sonny and Carly had "hate sex"). This led to nearly two years of Sonny vs Sorel. After Sorel was murdered, Sonny pretty much took over the territory, though one of Sorel's men, Rosco attempted to make a name for himself and became a rival of Sonny's. Rosco was eventually killed and his widow Faith took up his mantle, while Sonny also faced new threats from first Luis Alcazar and of course later his brother, Lorenzo.

**I think I got a bit too carried away detailing the history of the mob in Port Charles

TLDR: Jason gave mob to Moreno in return for Moreno not targeting him, Moreno reneged, Jason got Sonny to return, Sonny built new organization while Jason preoccupied with Michael battles, Sorel killed Moreno, Sorel murdered, Sonny wins the mob.

3 hours ago, fivethej said:

Victor instructed Gene that he wanted revenge on Wesley's for wrongfully accusing Phillip of raping Chloe. What exactly was the punishment? Did this ever play out on screen?

Hmmm...Victor was actually in hiding at this time after the Coronation Massacre and had been presumed dead, spending his days plotting revenge against Kate. It was actually Chloe's discovery that Victor was alive (and that Phillip knew) that caused Chloe to freak out and mislead Craig and Nancy into believing she had been raped. Of course, once Chloe calmed down, she recanted her allegation, but Nancy refused to believe her until Chloe underwent a gynecological examination

After Victor's revenge scheme against Kate went awry (landing Lucas in a coma after the Kiriakis Mansion burned down), I think Victor may have softened in his attitude towards the Wesley's as Victor had realized he was partly to blame for the situation. Victor and Chloe even apologized to one another and Victor respected Chloe for keeping quiet that he was still alive.

However, Victor still didn't want Phillip and Chloe together. Shortly after revealing that he was still alive to the rest of Salem, Victor enlisted Brady to break them up...

5 hours ago, beebs said:

I found the fact they didn't actually show the Grand Jury testimony interesting. Was this budget, or Monty's early attempts to speed things up before she chopped the hell out of scenes?

Likely a device to save the testimonies for the trial itself.

11 hours ago, StevieM said:

GH: That recast of Lois Cerullo (around 2006) didn't go over so well IMO.  I wish the show had taken another shot at Ned & Lois at some point, and I wish they had taken another shot at Rena Sofer.  If Rena ever leaves B&B I would love to see her back on GH.

Lesli Kay played the Lois recast in 2004. I think Lois is one of those unique characters who can really only be portrayed by the original (in this case, Rena Sofer) and it certainly didn't help matters that Lois spent half her time in 2004 haranguing Brook Lyn and the other half pursuing Lorenzo Alcazar.

6 hours ago, Taoboi said:

While it would have been nice to see Noah again, was the actor over at Y&R at that point as Damon or on that sci-fi show with Kevin Sorbo? In any case, I still think he had bad blood there at the time as well. 

He would have been wrapping up his Y&R stint around the time that Julia returned to AMC.