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I can't believe it never occurred to me that if not for Elizabeth Taylor the Luke and Laura wedding might not have happened at all. I knew she was instrumental in bringing the wedding forward but - as Tristan pointed out - if she hadn't issued that ultimatum then it is likely that Genie would have quit before the originally planned wedding in the summer of '82 was able to play out. And it probably turned out for the best storyline wise too. It would have been stretching it a bit too far to have Laura go back to being torn between Scotty and Luke after literally saving the world with Luke (I know, I know that in itself was probably stretching it a bit too far!).

EDIT: Decided this post is better placed in Classic Gh thread. Can delete if needed.

It occurred to me yesterday that Sam has now been on the show longer than Lucky

Don't know if you would have seen it yet but

IIRC Bobbie was searching the GH archives (this of course being the early days of the internet so GH hadn't digitized them yet) for information pertaining to Lesley's "death". Bobbie had actually seen Lesley's body back in '84 so Lesley turning out to be alive sparked off her suspicions about Stefan. Stefan had the archives set on fire to cover his tracks but was unaware that Bobbie was already there investigating.

Yeah having looked back at some of the clips it does seem clear to me now that while JER had John and Kristen playing out all the classic supercouple tropes (As an example, Kristen's marriage to Tony is somewhat reminiscent of Kayla's marriage to Jack), there was always something a little off about them. There was a lack of earnest faith between John and Kristen that John and Marlena had. So many retcons over the years lol. 1991 made it something to do with Mayan codices, while 2008 made it all about the feud started after Stefano's father and Colleen Brady had an affiar. I also think 1991 tried to explain Marlena's kidnapping as Stefano fearing that Marlena was somehow on the verge of figuring out that John wasn't Roman after all so he faked her death in the plane crash. How that fits into Orpheus I don't know. John actually is the real Forrest, it's just that he was adopted by the Alamains rather than being their biological child. Who they adopted him from keeps changing though lol. I think currently we are meant to believe that John's father Yo Ling, formerly Timothy Robicheaux, who escaped to China during the Korean War formed some sort of communist alliance with Petrov, found out John had been adopted by the Alamains and reclaimed him so the Alamains (or maybe just Philomena) let him take John and faked his death in the pool. And John was brainwashed at some private school before Petrov betrayed Yo Ling and took John to Stefano.

This is what David Koz's Wikipedia page says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Koz Unfortunately there is no source cited for this paragraph but it all sounds pretty plausible to me.

After catching a rerun of an early episode of Sister Wives, Ridge finally comes to the realization that Polygamy would solve his never ending dilemma over whether to choose Taylor or Brooke. Brooke and Taylor are initially reluctant to go along with this but after thinking about it they decide that Ridge's idea is sensible. To make the arrangement work, Ridge will be legally married to one of women for a year and then divorce and marry the other and so on and so forth. The arrangement is initially a success but after sometime Brooke begins to wonder why she can't also have a second husband. She decides to bring Deacon into the marriage. Ridge is apoplectic about this but eventually goes along with it. Taylor also decides to get a second husband. Eventually more and more characters decide Polyamory is the way to solve their various love dilemmas and several sets of polyamorous relationships form across the canvas. Everyone lives happily ever after at the Forrester mansion.

I'm not sure. I'm a bit murky on this period of 94...Like I only know Tanya from the clips and I tend to watch them at random lol.

Yeah I think she only appeared in a short arc as Tanya Hampstead. Kristen ended her affair with John after learning he had been a priest and was adamant she wanted to make her marriage to Tony work. John was in denial about the whole priesthood thing and started dating Tanya for a short while but couldn't go through with sleeping with her and they parted on amicable terms after John admitted he was in love with a married woman. Then something happened (I'm not sure what) that made John want to be a priest for a while lol. My guess would be that she likely would have just moved from New York to California post GL and took on the role for some quick cash, not intending to stay long term.

I think Wendy's first appearance was just prior to that - IIRC She went in labor and Jonah delivered her son Benjy. Wendy ran off - eventually meeting Marlena, while Jonah and Austin were left to look after Benjy. You make an interesting point about Marlena's behaviour during this period and you are absolutely correct. That said, I do dearly love the hot springs saga where Marlena actively manipulates John into joining her in the springs by staying underwater for a tad too long and making it appear that she was in trouble (all the while Rebecca and Roman are fast asleep none the wiser lol) and then confesses her manipulation going into graphic detail about how she knew John would see her as she knew he would go to the window for air after making love to Rebecca because he would always get so hot after sex lol! Funnily enough Mardevil would pull a similar stunt two years later by having it appear that Marlena was drowning at the Horton Cabin.

Thought I'd bring the Billie discussion over here from the March thread as it really is quite interesting. No worries @Gray Bunny As you would have seen from my write up you were actually on the right track regarding a Faux Bo doppelganger, it's just that it happened a year after RKK took over. Marlena's brief bout with amnesia and homelessness with Wendy always struck me as a little weird considering how quickly it played out. Usually her perils go on for months and months and months lol. I guess it was a dramatic way of revealing the pregnancy to the rest of the family and thus prevent her from having a secret abortion as she had planned but I'm sure she'd already decided to keep Belle just before getting mugged.

Probably should be in the classic Days thread but I wanted to reply to this Billie was placed in Bo's orbit much earlier than Curtis' death. Cash - who I think was Billie's dealer - was harassing Billie and Bo defended her. Then Lawrence blackmailed Taylor into helping him set up Bo with a Bo lookalike named Mitch (lol) and Mitch beat up Cash, who named Bo as his attacker. Billie helped Bo through that situation. This was around the same time that Marlena and John were having hot springs shenanigans and then pregnant Marlena had that brief bout of amnesia where she looked after by Wendy who at that time was being played by Lark Voorhies. Anyway Taylor ended up dead (not sure what happened to Mitch in the end). Shortly afterward Vivian's schemes to frame Carly for a series of killings at the hospital kicked off which eventually resulted in Carly being buried alive. And Billie pretty much swooped in the minute the funeral was over to comfort Bo. Then Billie discovered that Curtis was alive and was the shooter that had shot Rebecca (aiming for Kristen I think?). Curtis then went off to LA but Bo figured out that the shooter had gone to LA so Billie went off to LA in an attempt to warn Curtis before Bo got to him. And so Bo and Billie ended up having an LA adventure whilst Carly had now been dug up but had amnesia and thought she still loved Lawrence. Eventually Bo found out Carly was alive but she left with Lawrence. And then a couple of weeks after that Curtis was murdered.

I like them too and I tend to agree with everything you've said. And the best part about them is that they just let each other be. That may be a bit boring but its nice to have a couple who isn't all up in each other's business all the time.

Grant died of cancer shortly after marrying Macy though, so perhaps Connor or even James would be a better fit for this part of the story (which I do think is a fantastic idea)

I hope so. Sometimes the cliffhangers at the end of the first half hour can feel a bit contrived.

Some potentially very minor spoilers but I think they've aired now in the UK anyway.

I assume so. I forgot to factor in John's preisthood so that does make me wonder about Brady though as IIRC he was actually born during the ceremony and thus was technically illegitimate at birth. Brady would be made legitimate by his parent's marriage provided and there was no diriment impediment that prevented John and Isabella from being married at Brady's conception or birth or at some immediate time afterward. But of course there was an unknown diriment impediment since John was a priest and Isabella was long dead when that impediment was removed. However, since the church appears to favour legitimation then I guess any reasonable ruling would be that John and Isabella's marriage after Brady's birth would have still made Brady legitimate as the diriment impediment was unknown.

Yes, I think RoJohn and Marlena's marriage would be considered putative up until the time the real Roman returned as both parties really did believe John was Roman. So if they had had a child born to them before Roman returned that child would be legitimate. After Roman returned however, it automatically made their marriage null so John and Marlena didn't have to pursue an annulment.

This is a very interesting set of questions so I looked up https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/legitimation after seeing your post. My understanding from that is that the Alex North retcon would not - on its own - make Marlena's kids Illegitimate in the eyes of the church as Marlena did not remember her marriage to Alex and thus her subsequent marriages, provided they met certain criteria, were entered into in good faith and would thus be considered putative marriages. How the other marriages - to Don and Anna - effect this I cannot be certain. I don't think Roman and Marlena would be allowed to marry in the church even if their previous marriages weren't in the church so perhaps they both magically got Catholic annulments offscreen lol. In any case, Carrie would likely considered to be the result of a putative marriage and thus still legitimate in the eyes of the church. Belle is a bit more complicated. Not entirely sure what the deal is there. I think she would have been considered the legitimate child of Roman up until physical proof (I guess the DNA test?) was presented that John was her natural father and then possibly made legitimate when John and Marlena married in 1999. If we assume she was legitimate at the time that Marlena was revealed to have been married to Alex then her status would not change.

She probably could have had most of Karen's storylines. The only one that wouldn't fit would of course be the initial storyline with Blake finding her at the diner as Faith and discovering that she was Caroline's long lost twin. The rest - triangle with Thorne and Macy, working with Spectra, being Brooke's confidant until they fell out over Connor, her relationship with Connor etc all seem to be storylines that Donna could've had.

Shane Warne's death came just hours after the death of another Cricketing legend Rod Marsh who passed away yesterday after suffering a heart attack a few weeks back Sadly, Warne's last tweet was a tribute to his mate:

Basically I think the backstory was that Craig and Nancy were high school sweethearts until (and I'm not entirely sure of this next part) Nancy's father split them up. Nancy was then raped by a business associate of her father's and erroneously thought that the rapist was Chloe's father so gave her up (Again I think her father may have played some part in convincing Nancy to give the child up). Years passed and Craig and Nancy reunited and married shortly before coming to Salem in '98 (in fact I'm pretty sure that in '97 when Craig was first introduced at the medical conference Mike and Carrie he was with a completely differently named woman at the time but six months later he was with Nancy - although that all may have been a retcon). Eventually Chloe came back into Nancy's life and when Chloe came down with Leukemia they tracked down Nancy's rapist only to learn that he was sterile. Craig then ran a DNA test and learned he was Chloe's father.

Joe was paired with Heather though and they were probably second only to Luke and Laura in terms of airtime during most of 1981. Summer Madness by Kool and the Gang played during their scenes on a few occasions, so I consider it their defacto theme song lol.

Some episodes after the failed double wedding, Dante pulled a gun on Peter "to complete his mission", but Sam showed up and stopped him and I think she took him to Kevin for a deprogramming session that took place off screen.