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I was going to ask - did you know there's a Youtube channel that uploads a lot of classic Joan stuff (some of her silent films, and more obscure TV appearances, among others)? (If that isn't Joan Crawford, just blame tired eyes)

Who was that with Enid? It's sad that woman playing Wilma here was killed not too long after this - I like her work, and I like seeing a reminder of what Natalie came from. I think there were so many dynamics with the Marlowes which seemed to be lost when the story mostly became about Janet being crazy. AMC had so many "redemption via rape" stories but this one seems like it was one of the strongest. The way they had Myrtle standing up to Enid while still doubting Natalie was very human, very good, grey writing - good luck seeing that on a soap today.

I'm not sure I've seen that one yet. A few years ago I watched the episodes where Cliff was in the South American prison or whatever - from what I've seen of Cliff I'm a little surprised he lasted as long as he did. I think they tried to write him out in 1986 or 1987 but fan demand brought him back. I saw the episode where Pat was counseling Natalie after her rape, and Natalie and Wilma had to deal with ugliness from people in the boutique - that was very good.

That's too bad. I love the larger canvas and the complex relationships. It reminds me so much of Marland-era ATWT.

1989 was when they started cleaning house, right? I wonder what went on in 1988 that pushed in that direction. I know that was the year Laura was killed, Skye was a bigot and spent months in a coma, Erica gave birth to Bianca, and wasn't that the year Silver was killed and Palmer blackmailed Natalie.

I watched the 1987 Christmas episode and I thought it was perfect, one of the best Christmas episodes I've ever seen, and this was without some of my favorites, like Myrtle, Erica, Natalie. It had such a Christmas spirit while still advancing story. The Hubbards and Stuart/Cindy reconciling, a new love for Hillary, the heartbreak of Julie (with Lauren Holly far more vulnerable than she has been for most of her career). I kept thinking about how much the show would change within the next year. Do you think the show had a certain formula which worked in 1987 and failed after this, or was 1987 already a year of decline? Am I the only one who never really "gets" Cliff and Nina or cares that much about them? I wonder if they ever needed to keep bringing Nina back in the 80's when they had no real story for her. I was much more interested in the brief glimpses of Nina we saw in AMC's last 15 years. That Nina, and her kids, could have given Palmer and many others a lot of story.

Thanks for sharing that 1991 clip. It's rare to see Tom so enraged - the last time I remember that was when he confronted Erica about the birth control pills. I think his bees of the world sweater sent him over the edge. Everything with Brooke and Erica was first-rate. Did anyone else think Erica was styled a little more casually than usual? The production values were good though - I think that's the best I have ever seen Julia Barr look. What a contrast to later years when she seemed to spend weeks wearing white pants that would make Callista Flockhart look like a Kardashian. It's a shame that the show seemed to lose its way regarding proper love interests for Brooke or Jack, among others. Jack was with, what, Angelique, and the Laurels? Brooke...no comment! I've always felt like the big failure they had with her and love interests in the mid/late 90's, along with making her way too needy, was the death of her character.

If I remember correctly, they show the seance again near the end of the story, and then when they remove the hood from the person who was hanged, it's Dorrie, not Victoria.

Suzenne Marie Seradwyn It's not that I thought Larry was hot, I just liked seeing a normal guy on TV, one with a little charm (sometimes) and boy next door type looks, instead of the model/Fabio types.

Someone else probably knows but I will look in my synopses when I get a chance. She was on from about 1988-1990.

I think Chandler Hill Harben played the rape story. The last time the clip was put up I think someone said it was from 1979.

Happy holidays! Tracy promo at about 38 minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGRZrQiNn4k&feature=autoplay&list=ULfx9qFzLsR9Y&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1

OK. I don't have any promo stuff but interviews or magazine shots that have scenes I will post when I find them. Brenda's one of my favorite "forgotten" characters (and OLTL had quite a few of those). It's too bad they didn't work her into the Gottlieb/Malone era, as I think she would have fit in well with Luna and the rest.

I do, I don't have it right now but will post it when I can, although most likely someone else will get it first. I don't know if I have anything of them together, if that's what you mean. They're interviews, not publicity photos, I don't have any of those, sadly.

Great to see you posting again. You can find episodes on Youtube. I won't post links obviously but you can see them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3F3UCWPyQI

This is the full episode of a clip that's been around Youtube. I guess this may have been on WOST at one time, I don't know. Dorian looks a lot like Gloria Estefan here. Oh, Carla's in this episode. She uses that "Keenya," line SFK mentioned. Carla doesn't seem too upset about her husband Jack's death, to say the least. I wonder if Holly's issues with that actor bled in... They seem to be hinting, via Carla's comments, at Ed/Karen. A SOD recap from around this era also mentioned this. I wonder if the show considered that. I wish they had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6m5PpSyMBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3mjO1GrO5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6mV8WuBaNc

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LL has the section talking about recast roles and such, right? I enjoyed that.

I guess by then it was seen as passe, or the soap magazines were being dumbed down. I think Weekly printed a nice letter about her, and about Dack Rambo and others from daytime who had died from AIDS.

I really enjoyed the 1991 episode - one of the few soap episodes where I genuinely liked every scene. What I like most is the show still had the sense of social classes. The scenes where Phoebe and Enid were going on and on about Hayley and Arlene, and Hayley blasted them, was priceless. It's the type of scene which can come off horribly (when they did this with Laura later on I thought she seemed like she had a big chip on her shoulder) but this time it worked great. Adam admiring her bluster was a nice touch. I had no idea Tom and Brooke almost got remarried or that he posed as Jamie's father. I wonder how much longer after this that lasted. I like the chemistry between Brooke and Jack. Charlie and Erica screams "We don't know what to do with Erica," but this Charlie was very handsome (he looks like Jim Hougton, and a young Tom Cudahy) and I'm even more confused that they would eventually replace him with middle-aged Chris Lawford. The faceoff with Brooke was great as always. I also liked that for once women on soaps weren't wearing sleeveless shirts in June. Liked seeing more of early Janet - I preferred her this way to being totally crazy. How much longer was the Glamorama around after this? Did it just shut down when Donna left town?

That's fascinating.