I've said many a time before I'd bring Jake home and probably keep Aiden a visible support player for awhile (with an actor younger than 25 and not jacked up from the gym). Cameron I might wait on. But they clearly do not give half a fúck about Liz or them boys lol. It's too bad, but OTOH if Jake were here they might try him with that mutant again.

3 minutes ago, Vee said:

I've said many a time before I'd bring Jake home and probably keep Aiden a visible support player for awhile (with an actor younger than 25 and not jacked up from the gym). Cameron I might wait on. But they clearly do not give half a fúck about Liz or them boys lol. It's too bad, but OTOH if Jake were here they might try him with that mutant again.

At least they wouldn't be actually related like her and Danny

I refuse to subject that poor boy to the hybrid. He's been through enough on Cassadine Island and under Luke's tires!

10 minutes ago, Vee said:

But they clearly do not give half a fúck about Liz or them boys lol.

What do they have against Liz/BH anyway? Even before fans forced them to keep her around, it seemed like they resented having to feature her at all. (I, myself, feel rather lukewarm toward her, but I'd still try and find SOME story for her, if only to keep her fans happy).

6 minutes ago, Khan said:

What do they have against Liz/BH anyway? Even before fans forced them to keep her around, it seemed like they resented having to feature her at all. (I, myself, feel rather lukewarm toward her, but I'd still try and find SOME story for her, if only to keep her fans happy).

It's confusing, but I think Liz just isn't that interesting to writers? It's been several regimes where she's been tossed aside only to prop OLTL characters. I do feel like she was pushed out in favor of others that were heavily favored at times like Sam and Courtney.

The way the show didn't even attempt to tease her with Jason when he had no love interest just states how little they care. I feel like there is some resentment that they have to keep Becky because of her fanbase.

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I feel like there is some resentment that they have to keep Becky because of her fanbase.

Which results in crap like eye mites.

8 minutes ago, Khan said:

Which results in crap like eye mites.

Don't remind me lol.

It's weird because Becky/Liz works as a lead and a supporting player. She's loyal and plays everything to the best of her ability, but let's promote Britt more lol.

16 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I feel like there is some resentment that they have to keep Becky because of her fanbase.

Most definitely, and not just in this regime.

I've run hot and cold on Elizabeth many times; I couldn't stand her in the late '90s and early 2000s, she was so saccharine to me. But I do think Becky always works very hard and she's earned my respect and interest over time, particularly in the Liason revisit in the mid-2000s, and she can always deliver with the right story and partner. She just hasn't had much of that for most of the last oh, two decades lol. It's criminal how she and JJ were handled recently, but whether or not he came back again there are other options. Lucky or no Lucky I would build her family back up, starting with her parents and let it all play in major story. The audience loves Elizabeth and wants to see her, so why not go for it?

1 minute ago, Vee said:

Most definitely, and not just in this regime.

I've run hot and cold on Elizabeth many times; I couldn't stand her in the late '90s and early 2000s, she was so saccharine to me. But I do think Becky always works very hard and she's earned my respect and interest over time, particularly in the Liason revisit in the mid-2000s, and she can always deliver with the right story and partner. She just hasn't had much of that for most of the last oh, two decades lol. It's criminal how she and JJ were handled recently, but whether or not he came back again there are other options. Lucky or no Lucky I would build her family back up, starting with her parents and let it all play in major story. The audience loves Elizabeth and wants to see her, so why not go for it?

Lol! The only time I really liked her was in the late 90's and early 2000's.

It's so strange GH doesn't go with her as the lead. She's had multiple popular pairings and has a huge fan base. It's almost a no brainer to heavily feature her.

And this will be unpopular, but Lucky needs Liz more than Liz needs Lucky as far as couples go. BH has proven she can make things work with other love interests.

That may well be true.

6 hours ago, carolineg said:

Lol! Justice for TJ! It would have been nice to see TJ and Molly have some sort of closure. I don't even care much about TJ/Molly, but would it have killed GH's budget to pay TR for a day or two to film some final scenes with his family and Molly

I would have used the old trope of her running into him while he was in town with his fiance to tell his family they are expecting. I would have given them some closure, given TJ some agency about how he went along with Molly’s wishes because he loved her since they were kids, but losing the baby really showed him they want different things as adults. He wants a family. I think that combined with her recent medical issues would have been a nice way to also let Molly have some emotions around never having kids. I think she should hold strong to her values, but it would be nice if she got to process the entire decision onscreen when confronted with a what if life with TJ.

2 hours ago, Khan said:

What do they have against Liz/BH anyway? Even before fans forced them to keep her around, it seemed like they resented having to feature her at all. (I, myself, feel rather lukewarm toward her, but I'd still try and find SOME story for her, if only to keep her fans happy).

It’s yet another in a long line of things I question since Frons arrived and started micromanaging ABC Daytime. GH has a plethora of popular characters and they have repeatedly sidelined folks while even now we still see Sonny/Jason/Carly, although mostly just there taking up airtime now. It’s a shame, because Liz remained popular through some terrible story turns, and the audience did respond to her being a single mom to three boys and a nurse. It was relatable. But once FV was forced to get rid of Roger Howarth and Michael Easton (poor Becky had to prop them both!)it’s been mostly crickets. Or mites. All her sons should be onscreen.

As a longtime fan of this show, I think it always works best when we have the action/adventure umbrella story, the hospital in focus, and at least a handful of normal folks that have their normal lives and intersect with the other two hubs. Bobbie and the Webbers on GH while Luke/Laura were saving the world and Robert/Anna were WSB’ing. Frank Smith’s 90’s run while also meeting the Ward family, Tony/Bobbie imploding when BJ died. I know I complain a lot about this show and right now it has been watchable and fun for the most part. But a couple of small tweaks and it could be better, possibly even challenging the other soaps for more viewers. Liz and her kids really did work well in that family life setting.

2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

Bobbie and the Webbers on GH while Luke/Laura were saving the world and Robert/Anna were WSB’ing. Frank Smith’s 90’s run while also meeting the Ward family, Tony/Bobbie imploding when BJ died. I know I complain a lot about this show and right now it has been watchable and fun for the most part. But a couple of small tweaks and it could be better, possibly even challenging the other soaps for more viewers. Liz and her kids really did work well in that family life setting.

What someone hasn't realized (or doesn't care for) is that Becky Herbst is now the closest thing the show has to Jackie Zeman. The audience will follow her and her children anywhere. That should be exploited.

I also have always found the adult Elizabeth (post-'90s) and her story, like Bobbie's, to be very relatable and what got me more interested in her: She was a young woman who got knocked up and put aside her own dreams to build a life for her sons. That throughline rarely happens on soaps with active heroines and it's stayed the same. A lot of the audience have lived that experience.

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23 minutes ago, Vee said:

I also have always found the adult Elizabeth (post-'90s) and her story, like Bobbie's, to be very relatable and what got me more interested in her: She was a young woman who got knocked up and put aside her own dreams to build a life for her sons. That throughline rarely happens on soaps with active heroines and it's stayed the same. A lot of the audience have lived that experience.

I agree. It’s one of the reasons the Valentini era Carly irks me so much. She has countless scenes in her kitchen with Moss and her daughter over the years, and now they have her pouring coffee intermittently at Bobbie’s. Her kids have nearly every second accounted for once they hit teen years (or Michael from conception). She became everyone’s friend, including a deep thawing between her and Sam, and to a lesser extent Liz. It’s insulting as a viewer because this is not Carly. I’m not saying she can’t evolve, because she can. But instead of spreading the wealth and investing in other characters they just lump everything onto a handful of people, especially her.

It’s not like Liz is a failed character that the audience never warmed up to. She’s one of the handful of soap actors left that her fans will literally go to war for to keep her on the show. Kelly Monaco’s fans lost interest way sooner than Becky’s would, or Genie’s for that matter. Those folks stayed on Frank’s neck. Even his bff Roger loved working with her.

I will harp on this forever I guess. I think the show would have staved off some of their ratings collapses in the 2000’s if they had kept Liason going, and I think the same is true right now for growing their audience. They are wasting viable people like Michael, Liz, Laura, Dante, Lulu (although that is changing), Trina, hell even himbo Cody should be soap hunking it up. I am not even a big fan of Jason/Liz. But I know soaps, and all that romance and angst used to be what they tried for, instead of running away from. But by all means bring Valentin back and pair him with the leading lady. It’s so frustrating because the ingredients are there and it wouldn’t take much, unlike other periods.

I just have to say that @carolineg , @titan1978 and @Vee are all saying exactly what I've been saying about Liz, about her sons and about GH in general for I-don't-know-HOW-long, lol. Frank's MOR approach to EP'ing this show would be so much more palatable, IMO, if he simply would get back to these basics and quit trying to shove dead-end characters like Valentin and Joss down our damn throats.

16 hours ago, titan1978 said:

I would have used the old trope of her running into him while he was in town with his fiance to tell his family they are expecting. I would have given them some closure, given TJ some agency about how he went along with Molly’s wishes because he loved her since they were kids, but losing the baby really showed him they want different things as adults. He wants a family. I think that combined with her recent medical issues would have been a nice way to also let Molly have some emotions around never having kids. I think she should hold strong to her values, but it would be nice if she got to process the entire decision onscreen when confronted with a what if life with TJ.

I would take that at this point. Like I said I don't care much about TJ/Molly, but the show pretends that relationship never existed. At least acknowledge Molly acts like a 16 year old around men because her only relationship was with TJ since she was a kid. It's better than what's happening now and Molly just acts like a weirdo because she's so "Type A".

As far as, Liz I agree with everyone. She is the closest thing to Bobbie as a character. I get the feeling Becky is easy going, never pushes back (probably for fear of her job) and goes with the flow. The show certainly hasn't valued her in years unless it's to prop a pet so I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Idk, the show is pretty good right now, but it's a bit depressing knowing Frank's MO and knowing things won't ever change.