53 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

Did Justice have much to do as Hope ?

I remember more about Mattson. Her romance with Ben mainly.

All I remember about Justice when she was on is that she worked at that diner, but for some reason wore a very sexy waitress outfit. And she seemed more world-weary than either Mattson or Roussel. I vaguely remember her trying to help someone--maybe it was Tim, the doctor Jordan Clarke played? And he was maybe drunk? There was rock music playing on the jukebox. They talked about liking the music. For some reason they played Santana in the background a lot during this period.

(I suspect one of the reasons it's close to impossible to see these episodes is because of music rights issues.)

I wish I could remember more. I just remember thinking when Justice showed up as Hope, "Wow, she's REALLY different from the last actress."

Maybe they were always intending to put her in a story with Alan and they picked this actress because they thought she would have good chemistry with him? Then maybe they realized they already had the town bombshell (Rita) and decided to find a third a side of the triangle who would contrast more with Rita. Because the Alan/Rita thing was foreshadowed for a VERY long time.

36 minutes ago, Stevel said:

The Katherine Justice version would have been when my grandmother called Hope "the oldest teenager on television"

Yup, pretty much.

I had no idea Mary Stuart wrote either.

Justice pops up a lot on old TV shows from the 60's and 70's. She was in the very first adaption of Columbo when it was a one off TV movie in 1968 before it was made into the series. In the first film Falk really hadn't developed the character yet. The second TV film in 1971 that sold the series starred the wonderful Lee Grant as the murderer. Peter Falk really found the character of Columbo in that one with his signature disheveled look and daffy demeanor.

Justice was pushing 40 when she played Hope circa 1977/78.

weird--just looked Justice up. in a picture from Mannix, she looks very similar to Lenore Kasdorf.

I remember Justice from the short lived syndicated night time soap opera Dangerous Women where she played a dual role as the hardened con with a heart of gold named Rita and her evil twin sister Roxy. She was in her late 40s when playing the part in the early 90s, so I find it hard to believe she was hired to play a young Hope in the late 70s (she would have bene mid 30s).

Early on the Dobsons seemed to be hinting at a triangle -Leslie/Hope and Chad Richards the rock musician, but it never went anywhere.

Nov 75

Their concern for Hope's well-being was further complicated by Leslie and Mike's realization that singer Chad Richards, who worked at the Metro where Hope was employed as a waitress, was in an unstable condition because of his suspected brain tumor. Hope, lonely, adrift, and depressed, had turned to Chad for friendship and moral support. However, Chad, fearful of his potential to become uncontrollable when one of his "episodes" occurs, rejected Hope's overtures for a closer relationship.

 Chad arranged to visit Leslie while Mike was at home, because he was concerned about Hope's future - Chad, sensing that his memory of Leslie, treasured since their high school days when they briefly went steady, had an adverse effect on him and possibly tended to trigger his uncontrollable "episodes," had avoided being alone with Leslie. - Just as Chad arrived, Mike, only having just learned of his brother Ed's separation from Holly, was busy outside consoling his mother Bert. Suddenly, clutching briefly at his left temple, Chad reverted to his high school relationship with "Les." Confused by Leslie's reaction to his attempt to kiss her, Chad became physically aggressive. He pinned her arms against her rendering her completely helpless and clamped his hand over her mouth preventing her from screaming for Mike. Her blouse torn, terrified by Chad's relentless attempt to force himself on her ... Leslie collapsed! Mike rushed in and punched Chad which brought Chad back to his senses and he left immediately, bewildered and apologetic for the hospital. Dr. Steve Jackson, Leslie's father, arranged to take Chad to New York for special tests to locate his suspected tumor so they could operate and remove it.

1 hour ago, SoapDope78 said:

Justice was pushing 40 when she played Hope circa 1977/78.

P&G seemed to do a lot of that "WTH?" casting in those days. On ATWT they had John Reilly playing Patricia Bruder's son, and she was a few years younger than he.

I'm not saying it never works. All soaps have successful examples of actors too young in real life to play parents to those who play their children. Others stick out like sore thumbs.

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Early on the Dobsons seemed to be hinting at a triangle -Leslie/Hope and Chad Richards the rock musician, but it never went anywhere.

Hope always had a problematic love life. She fell in love with her married college professor. Ben, when he first came on, was an ex-con (though it turned out he took the rap for his brother). She seemed to go for older and/or troubled men. So it's not so odd that she ended up falling for someone like Alan.

49 minutes ago, Stevel said:

P&G seemed to do a lot of that "WTH?" casting in those days. On ATWT they had John Reilly playing Patricia Bruder's son, and she was a few years younger than he.

I'm not saying it never works. All soaps have successful examples of actors too young in real life to play parents to those who play their children. Others stick out like sore thumbs.

We keep saying that they couldn't bring back Hope because they SORASed Alan Michael too fast. But it's true, there are people who played parent/child who were pretty close in age. Maybe they should have called up Katherine Justice and asked her back, LOL.

Katherine Justice briefly stepped in to play Faith Coleridge on Ryan's Hope in 1979, which is only a couple of years or so after she was on GL.

Honestly, she not only looks too old to play Hope, she looks to old to play Faith! Karen Morris Gowdy played Faith during this period, and she was 14 years younger than Justice.

BIZARRE.

I also found this. I'm posting it for no reason other than it's kind of hilarious:

Justice appeared in a 1974 chilling episode of Hawaii Five-0. In it she plays a housewife and her husband is played by Alan Fudge. John Beck (Flamingo Road & Dallas) without the mustache plays a psycho cop who is raping and killing women on the island. She gets raped by him in her own home and she and her husband doesn't want to cooperate with Five-0 because of the shame and embarrassment it might bring. Later she sees a snapshot of Beck (with his signature mustache) and starts screaming. She and her husband agree to press charges.

Akan Fudge is another one of those actors that pops up constantly in vintage tv. James Olson is another.

1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

Katherine Justice briefly stepped in to play Faith Coleridge on Ryan's Hope in 1979, which is only a couple of years or so after she was on GL.

Honestly, she not only looks too old to play Hope, she looks to old to play Faith! Karen Morris Gowdy played Faith during this period, and she was 14 years younger than Justice.

BIZARRE.

I also found this. I'm posting it for no reason other than it's kind of hilarious:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

47 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

Justice appeared in a 1974 chilling episode of Hawaii Five-0. In it she plays a housewife and her husband is played by Alan Fudge. John Beck (Flamingo Road & Dallas) without the mustache plays a psycho cop who is raping and killing women on the island. She gets raped by him in her own home and she and her husband doesn't want to cooperate with Five-0 because of the shame and embarrassment it might bring. Later she sees a snapshot of Beck (with his signature mustache) and starts screaming. She and her husband agree to press charges.

Akan Fudge is another one of those actors that pops up constantly in vintage tv. James Olson is another.

Wasn't Alan Fudge like a younger Jack Weston? I liked James Olson in The Andomeda Strain.

Some tidbits from the book 'Taking Soaps Seriously', when Marland and Potter were at the helm.

Marland :Once we were for casting a part who shall be nameless for a sensual male character. I only judge what I see on my television screen when I look at tapes for the audition. Once I was at told, the secretaries are crazy about him. They think he is the sexiest. I let that influence me once, and I said maybe I'm missing something. Went with the actor. Total washout.

Ted Leplat as Andy?

Casting is also affected by the look of the show. One performer who was considered overweight and neither young nor dashing enough was replaced with another performer who appeared if not younger, at least thinner. The performer seemed to have become a symbol of the look that the producers were trying to change.

A major recast was, as I mentioned, for the part of Dr. Ed Bauer, which had been played by one performer for 12 years Although the recast was fought by the executive producer ,the change was made. There was a very negative reaction from the audience protesting the change, and it took several months for the mail to stop coming in complaining of the recast.

Headwriters were critical of this tendency of actors protecting their characters and of actors not liking what their character was scripted to do.

I mentioned one romantic lead who found himself a grandfather on the show.

Marland: I'm sure lead he hates it.... That's his problem. He's paid to act.

I don't think that actors are the best judges of what story is good for them them anyway. Certain actors who have been on the show a long time--you never find it with new actors- they decide their image is such and such.. They become image conscious in herms of what their character is to the audience--an image, a self-image which is very destructive.

Obviously a reference to Don Stewart

Guiding Light changed its theme during the period I carried out my research. Originally the program opened with harps and strings along with a visual of soft sunlit flowers. This image and theme were replaced by a series of- takes from the program emphasizing drama, romance, and action with light now associated with the flash of photographers' cameras and the reflection of light from the mirrored surfaces in a disco. The music, also, emphasized this different image. The religious, inspirational "guiding light" of the earliest programming had changed to a more secular light promising a more exciting way of life.

Marland: A ratings move a little up or a little down doesn't mean a lot. It means a lot if you are really expecting a story to really pull the numbers, one that is on it's peak, and the numbers don't correspond, then you know the numbers aren't working.

A good example of a story expected to pull the numbers that did not, involved the "Carrie Story" in which Carrie is shown to have a multiple personality and be capable of horrible acts.

Potter :There are two ways of judging whether a story works. One is ratings, the other is creatively. The Carrie story is very interesting. Jane Elliott is a wonderful actress, and Doug wrote a nice story. However, in terms of ratings it obviously didn't work because the numbers either held or slid a little and only went up in the last week of the storyline when it looked like Carrie might kill Ross. If people had cared it would have gone up right away as it did on General Hospital when they were doing Joe and Heather and Heather came out of the hospital with a gun.