This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Sometimes, sleep deprivation can coincide with a psychotic break where your light fuse in your brain pretty much turns off. When you come to, you don't remember a thing during the break.

So because you don't remember, you just start making up things like bullets flying around you I liked when Barbara Walters tried to be diplomatic about it by saying on The View that it was hard to remember what you did 12 years ago. This is true but something that major would almost be a vivid image. Sleep deprivation hasn't made me make things up but I have sometimes forgotten whether I did something a few minutes earlier or what it is I went in the next room to get.

Odds are she was not sleep deprived and remembered clearly what happened to her in Bosnia...I just do not understand why she brought it up when it was unnecessary.

Thank you. She used it as an example of her experience in foreign policy. Of course, that must make Chelsea, Sinbad and the other celebs that were part of that trip foreign policy experts too.

She doesn't have to make up being shot at in Bosnia to discuss her experience on foreign policy matters. There were many times during her years as First Lady where she met with foreign leaders to discuss public policy.

You are 100% correct about a major thing being in your mind forever...we don't forget traumatic events, unless we completely block them from memory.

BTW, I agree with your comments on Bitsy. She really is a moron

Edited March 29, 200817 yr by DevotedToAMC

She doesn't have to make up being shot at in Bosnia to discuss her experience on foreign policy matters. There were many times during her years as First Lady where she met with foreign leaders to discuss public policy.

She's the one that chose to use that trip as an example. Maybe she thought the whole danger thing would make a greater impact. There are great numbers of children across the US who experience gunfire on a regular basis because they live in neighborhoods plagued by violence and sniping in Bosnia wouldn't mean a thing to them. Politicians are so out of touch with their own country that it's more evident why people are disillusioned and don't get involved with the process.

Even though I don't care for her seeming rigidity, Elizabeth Hasselback is got to be a dream Republican since she will tow that party line no matter what. I don't care if she agrees with the continuance of the war or not, for her to act as if there was anything wrong with Dick Cheney basically saying "so what" if the majority of Americans don't support makes me think she shouldn't zealously attack other politicians who aren't being disrespectful to the public's opinions. Then again, I don't tow a party line so I don't know what it's like to have that kind of zeal.

Wales2004, great post about Elizabeth Hasselback. I'm glad Wright has apologized and retired. I do like Obama's explanation about it and feel better about him now, some.

Whatever.

The woman can't tell the truth to save her life.

And if you don't like that.......don't get upset with me. Blame your canidate.

That's total BullSh!T. Hillary Clinton tells the truth plenty. This so-called lie may be a lie, but I believe she mis-spoke because of all of the traveling. Traveling makes one tired, and can effect people different ways. She's a woman in her 50's.

Edited March 30, 200817 yr by Mulder

Wales2004, great post about Elizabeth Hasselback. I'm glad Wright has apologized and retired. I do like Obama's explanation about it and feel better about him now, some.

Good Mulder. Obama really is a great guy

That's total BullSh!T. Hillary Clinton tells the truth plenty. This so-called lie may be a lie, but I believe she mis-spoke because of all of the traveling. Traveling makes one tired, and can effect people different ways. She's a woman in her 50's.

I don't care how old she is.

When she stays on point and speaks about the topics that voters care about......she could change my mind and I MAY vote for her in a general election....

But as long as she feels that lying about something that gets right to the point of the foreign policy argument she makes, that makes it difficult. Because if Obama had said the very same thing that Hillary did and was caught in the very same lie.....

Would he get a pass, or get jumped on?

And........Bush & Co. have been doing it for 7 years. They have rightfully got slammed for it......but she has yet to just say "You know what? That was a doozy, wasn't it? LOL" She would came out far ahead, and the least I could say then is "Well.....she can admit that she lied and now she can move on."

Instead she comes off like someone dared had the right to question her about it.

Obama rightfully should be vetted for being truthful or not (And that doozy he told about JW may come back to bite him dead in his ass), but like her husband said........

"If you can't stand to be hit, you shouldn't run for public office."

Obama Says Clinton Should Keep Running

By DEVLIN BARRETT and BETH FOUHY, AP

1 hour ago

JOHNSTOWN, Pa. — Barack Obama refused Saturday to go along with other Democrats who are calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to step away from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Obama said.

Obama told reporters he did not agree with one of his supporters, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, when he said earlier this week that Clinton cannot win the nomination and should therefore drop out. "I hadn't talked to Pat about it," Obama said.

At stops throughout the day, Clinton raised the question of whether she should leave the race — eliciting loud jeers from supporters.

"There are some people who say we should just stop these elections. 'Enough people have already voted, what's a few million more?'" Clinton said in Louisville, Ky. "I don't know about you but I'm glad Kentucky is going to be voting and you'll be choosing because it's such an important election." The state holds its primary May 20.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania, her husband, Bill Clinton, said party insiders looking to resolve the contest should step back and allow the process to move forward.

"We just need to relax and let this happen. Nobody's talking about wrecking the party," the former president said. "Everywhere I go, all these working people say: 'Don't you dare let her drop out. Don't listen to those people in Washington, they don't represent us.'"

The campaign on Saturday released a fundraising e-mail, signed by Bill Clinton, asking supporters to challenge talk of his wife departing the race by sending a check to her campaign.

"There's no better way to tell Hillary that you support her staying in than to make a contribution to her campaign," he wrote.

Obama offered a bit of tough love to Pennsylvania voters, saying some industrial and manufacturing jobs may not return to this steel region, but others could take their place.

Clinton also stressed job creation at campaign stops in Indiana and Kentucky, vowing to help manufacturers transition to new industries like clean energy and ending tax breaks for American companies that ship jobs overseas.

"I think this election, particularly here in Indiana, is about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs," the former first lady said.

Jobs and the economy are front and center in the remaining primary contests between the two Democratic hopefuls. Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22, has seen its manufacturing base and especially its steel industry weakened in recent decades, as has Indiana, which votes May 6.

While campaigning in Ohio, another big manufacturing state, both Clinton and Obama criticized free trade deals and insisted the other candidate was not as reliable a protector of U.S. jobs. Clinton won that state's March 4 primary.

In Johnstown, a woman employed at a call center told Obama that 200 of her co-workers had lost jobs after the work was outsourced to India. She blamed free trade and asked what the Illinois senator would do about it.

"I don't want to make a promise that I can bring back every job that's left Johnstown. It's just not true. Some of those jobs aren't going to come back," Obama answered.

"What I can do is try ... to create an environment in which jobs are being created," he said, adding that they "may not be the same jobs that left and don't come back."

Speaking in Indianapolis, Clinton tied many of the region's economic woes to U.S. trade policy and to President Bush's laissez-faire approach to China, where numerous America jobs have been shipped in recent years.

"We are now deeply in debt. We owe money to everybody, not just to China but to Mexico and practically any other country you can think of. We are $9 trillion in debt," she said.

Obama, who is on a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, toured a factory that makes the wires that eventually become Slinky toys. He played with a Slinky through the visit.

Asked whether voters might be turned off by talk of some jobs not coming back, Obama said he was trying to give the phone worker a clear answer.

"The point I was making is that the same jobs are probably not going to come back. We're not going to suddenly see Bethlehem Steel reopen," he said. "What we're going to see is potentially some specialty steel of the sort that we saw at Johnstown Wire that has created a niche that can grow."

Also Saturday, former Democratic contender John Edwards made his first public comments on the race since dropping out two months ago.

"I have a very high opinion of both of them," Edwards said of Obama and Clinton at the Young Democrats of North Carolina convention. "We would be blessed as a nation to have either one of them as president."

At the same event, Chelsea Clinton said her travels have opened her eyes to sexism.

"I didn't really get how much sexism there still was in our country until I was at a rally with my mom in New Hampshire, and someone came up to me and said, 'I just can't see a woman being commander in chief,'" the former first daughter said.

She has always been supported by both the men and women in her family, she said. "I have been so profoundly more grateful than I have ever been over the past few months for my parents because of that."

___

Beth Fouhy reported from Louisville. Associated Press writers Mike Baker in Research Triangle Park, N.C., and Michael Rubinkam in Girardville, Pa., contributed to this report.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

***Hmm it seems like Obama wants her to keep running so she can get that nomination for president and offer him the VP job, which is what they likely discussed before the campaign and primary seasons started ***

Hillarack forever!

double post

Edited March 30, 200817 yr by DevotedToAMC

Obama Says Clinton Should Keep Running

By DEVLIN BARRETT and BETH FOUHY, AP

1 hour ago

JOHNSTOWN, Pa. — Barack Obama refused Saturday to go along with other Democrats who are calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to step away from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Obama said.

Obama told reporters he did not agree with one of his supporters, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, when he said earlier this week that Clinton cannot win the nomination and should therefore drop out. "I hadn't talked to Pat about it," Obama said.

At stops throughout the day, Clinton raised the question of whether she should leave the race — eliciting loud jeers from supporters.

"There are some people who say we should just stop these elections. 'Enough people have already voted, what's a few million more?'" Clinton said in Louisville, Ky. "I don't know about you but I'm glad Kentucky is going to be voting and you'll be choosing because it's such an important election." The state holds its primary May 20.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania, her husband, Bill Clinton, said party insiders looking to resolve the contest should step back and allow the process to move forward.

"We just need to relax and let this happen. Nobody's talking about wrecking the party," the former president said. "Everywhere I go, all these working people say: 'Don't you dare let her drop out. Don't listen to those people in Washington, they don't represent us.'"

The campaign on Saturday released a fundraising e-mail, signed by Bill Clinton, asking supporters to challenge talk of his wife departing the race by sending a check to her campaign.

"There's no better way to tell Hillary that you support her staying in than to make a contribution to her campaign," he wrote.

Obama offered a bit of tough love to Pennsylvania voters, saying some industrial and manufacturing jobs may not return to this steel region, but others could take their place.

Clinton also stressed job creation at campaign stops in Indiana and Kentucky, vowing to help manufacturers transition to new industries like clean energy and ending tax breaks for American companies that ship jobs overseas.

"I think this election, particularly here in Indiana, is about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs," the former first lady said.

Jobs and the economy are front and center in the remaining primary contests between the two Democratic hopefuls. Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22, has seen its manufacturing base and especially its steel industry weakened in recent decades, as has Indiana, which votes May 6.

While campaigning in Ohio, another big manufacturing state, both Clinton and Obama criticized free trade deals and insisted the other candidate was not as reliable a protector of U.S. jobs. Clinton won that state's March 4 primary.

In Johnstown, a woman employed at a call center told Obama that 200 of her co-workers had lost jobs after the work was outsourced to India. She blamed free trade and asked what the Illinois senator would do about it.

"I don't want to make a promise that I can bring back every job that's left Johnstown. It's just not true. Some of those jobs aren't going to come back," Obama answered.

"What I can do is try ... to create an environment in which jobs are being created," he said, adding that they "may not be the same jobs that left and don't come back."

Speaking in Indianapolis, Clinton tied many of the region's economic woes to U.S. trade policy and to President Bush's laissez-faire approach to China, where numerous America jobs have been shipped in recent years.

"We are now deeply in debt. We owe money to everybody, not just to China but to Mexico and practically any other country you can think of. We are $9 trillion in debt," she said.

Obama, who is on a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, toured a factory that makes the wires that eventually become Slinky toys. He played with a Slinky through the visit.

Asked whether voters might be turned off by talk of some jobs not coming back, Obama said he was trying to give the phone worker a clear answer.

"The point I was making is that the same jobs are probably not going to come back. We're not going to suddenly see Bethlehem Steel reopen," he said. "What we're going to see is potentially some specialty steel of the sort that we saw at Johnstown Wire that has created a niche that can grow."

Also Saturday, former Democratic contender John Edwards made his first public comments on the race since dropping out two months ago.

"I have a very high opinion of both of them," Edwards said of Obama and Clinton at the Young Democrats of North Carolina convention. "We would be blessed as a nation to have either one of them as president."

At the same event, Chelsea Clinton said her travels have opened her eyes to sexism.

"I didn't really get how much sexism there still was in our country until I was at a rally with my mom in New Hampshire, and someone came up to me and said, 'I just can't see a woman being commander in chief,'" the former first daughter said.

She has always been supported by both the men and women in her family, she said. "I have been so profoundly more grateful than I have ever been over the past few months for my parents because of that."

___

Beth Fouhy reported from Louisville. Associated Press writers Mike Baker in Research Triangle Park, N.C., and Michael Rubinkam in Girardville, Pa., contributed to this report.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

***Hmm it seems like Obama wants her to keep running so she can get that nomination for president and offer him the VP job, which is what they likely discussed before the campaign and primary seasons started ***

Hillarack forever!

Thanks for posting the article.

But........I have answered your question about voting for Hillary as President.

It seems to me all you think Obama is good for is to help her win the WH.

Am I wrong?

That's total BullSh!T. Hillary Clinton tells the truth plenty. This so-called lie may be a lie, but I believe she mis-spoke because of all of the traveling. Traveling makes one tired, and can effect people different ways. She's a woman in her 50's.

How can fatigue make one mistake a peaceful walk on an airplane runway with one that was full of gunfire and threat of death?

She is a flat out liar, and its FINALLY been proven.

Thanks for posting the article.

But........I have answered your question about voting for Hillary as President.

It seems to me all you think Obama is good for is to help her win the WH.

Am I wrong?

That seems to be my interpretation.

It seems to me all you think Obama is good for is to help her win the WH.

Am I wrong?

He is good in that regards but he also would make a terrific VP....with experience as State Senator for Illinois, U.S. Senator from Illinois, VP he would have more than enough to be president after Hillary

He has alot to be president BEFORE Hillary.

If you count her years as First Lady, then she has more....but that is debatable. Either way, they are both qualified and would make great presidents

BTW here is a video clip of the married couple in action! : http://youtube.com/watch?v=Haedh8BaMY4