This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

My understanding is that the "men" who hung the Obama effigy hung it from a tree on the University of Kentucky campus. They were arrested for disorderly conduct and also for stealing the materials to make the effigy. The Palin effigy was hung by someone on his own property.

I think hanging someone in effigy is a disgusting way of expressing oneself but the Kentucky guys broke laws. The California man is just a douche.

I think hanging someone in effigy is disgusting. I'm sure they person in California is arguing it's Halloween, but it is still disgusting.

I think hanging someone in effigy is disgusting. I'm sure they person in California is arguing it's Halloween, but it is still disgusting.

Actually he was defending it as art. The neighbors made enough of an uproar for him to finally cave and take it down. They said he still has McCain popping out of a chimney of flames though.

The only evidence of it being poliotcal season around my neighborhood is one lawn sign against a proposition. And we have no Halloween decoration controversy since no one bothered to put anything up.

Obama's lucky I already voted for him because last night I heard part of his speech that made me realize he's crazy. He wants people to be able to keep their kids on their healthcare plans until they're 25 years old (if the kids can't get a plan). I can take 21 but 25 is too much. All this sort of thing will do is encourage dependency......now if the child is disabled in some way then I could see a permanent exclusion in those cases but I don't want any adult children asking to stay on my medical plan or even thinking they have the right just because of Obama. Now parents who want to be tough will have to keep umbilical cords as proof that it was cut when they tell those kids to vacate the basement....thank goodness we don't have a basement.

I think hanging someone in effigy is disgusting. I'm sure they person in California is arguing it's Halloween, but it is still disgusting.

IA. BTW, Jess - Brian wanted me to say HELLO to you - and Wales.

How low can the Republicans get?

Link: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-14023786.html

Apparently fake press releases are circulating around parts of Virginia informing Democratic voters and Indepdent voters supporting Democrats that they are to vote on November 5th due to unexpectedily high voter turnout expected on Election Day.

Is there nothing Republicans won't resort to in order to win this election?

Obama's lucky I already voted for him because last night I heard part of his speech that made me realize he's crazy. He wants people to be able to keep their kids on their healthcare plans until they're 25 years old (if the kids can't get a plan). I can take 21 but 25 is too much. All this sort of thing will do is encourage dependency......now if the child is disabled in some way then I could see a permanent exclusion in those cases but I don't want any adult children asking to stay on my medical plan or even thinking they have the right just because of Obama. Now parents who want to be tough will have to keep umbilical cords as proof that it was cut when they tell those kids to vacate the basement....thank goodness we don't have a basement.

Yikes! I haven't heard that speech or this position, but that's not good, IMHO. This is just the kind of out-of-the-mainstream liberal idea that he needs to stay away from and not endorse it. 25 is way too old for a child to be on their parent's healthcare plan and I imagine that the majority of Americans would agree with that.

I'm a liberal SOB and I don't even like that plan.

Yikes! I haven't heard that speech or this position, but that's not good, IMHO. This is just the kind of out-of-the-mainstream liberal idea that he needs to stay away from and not endorse it. 25 is way too old for a child to be on their parent's healthcare plan and I imagine that the majority of Americans would agree with that.

I'm a liberal SOB and I don't even like that plan.

I think he was in Missouri saying that. It was on last night and I was watching the people cheer and I figured they don't care anyway since they've got the fever. I'm fiscally conservative and I don't mind helping people but kids need to get going at a certain age. I was planning on telling mine that they're adopted so they can go looking for their "real" parents when I get tired of gimme gimme....but I haven't figured that out yet.....it seems like a viable plan though.

I was on my parents health plan until I was 24 because I was in college and the year after they claimed me as a dependent. I needed insurance for my medications which are well over 500 dollars a month without insurance. In that kind of scenarios, I can see where it would make sense. Yes you don't want your children to be dependent forever but you also want them to move out and never come back.

Thanks for clearing up the effigy matter. I saw it on our local news and they never said it was over a tree. I just think that no matter where you do it it's offensive and hateful.

I was on my parents health plan until I was 24 because I was in college and the year after they claimed me as a dependent. I needed insurance for my medications which are well over 500 dollars a month without insurance. In that kind of scenarios, I can see where it would make sense. Yes you don't want your children to be dependent forever but you also want them to move out and never come back.

Thanks for clearing up the effigy matter. I saw it on our local news and they never said it was over a tree. I just think that no matter where you do it it's offensive and hateful.

I think I started filing when I was about 19 so I didn't even think about claiming college students as dependents....I guess that step comes later if I'm not successful.....

ITA about the effigy. At least the guy's neighbors complained and he finally respected their wishes.

October 31, 2008

Former Reagan adviser endorses Obama

Posted: 01:35 PM ET

From CNN's Adam Levy

(CNN) — Former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein told CNN's Fareed Zakaria this week he intends to vote for Democrat Barack Obama on Tuesday.Duberstein said he was influenced by another prominent Reagan official - Colin Powell - in his decision.

"Well let's put it this way - I think Colin Powell's decision is in fact the good housekeeping seal of approval on Barack Obama."

Powell served as national security advisor to Reagan during Duberstein's tenure as chief of staff.

Duberstein spoke with Zakaria about his final days in the Reagan White House. The Reagan official, along with Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Carter National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, also discussed the transition process to a new administration.

Watch the full discussion on the next administration this Sunday at 1 p.m. on Fareed Zakaria GPS.

Edited October 31, 200817 yr by Wales2004

IA. BTW, Jess - Brian wanted me to say HELLO to you - and Wales.

Thanks Greg. Please tell Brian hello. I do miss chatting with him. I actually miss Casey a bit. I thought Casey was a true libertarian for a long while. He and I got sideways over a joke I made. He called me a bigot, which just set wrong with me.

Anyway, tell Brian and said hello.

I was on my parents health plan until I was 24 because I was in college and the year after they claimed me as a dependent. I needed insurance for my medications which are well over 500 dollars a month without insurance. In that kind of scenarios, I can see where it would make sense. Yes you don't want your children to be dependent forever but you also want them to move out and never come back.

Thanks for clearing up the effigy matter. I saw it on our local news and they never said it was over a tree. I just think that no matter where you do it it's offensive and hateful.

I think that too about hanging characters in effigy. I think it just plays to people's anger and that's not a good thing.

You know almost all of the students -- grad and otherwise -- in my classes stay on their parents insurance until they are 24 and are forced off by the government. Most of the higher ed students plans are pretty weak. Graduate students, law students too, do not work full-time and most universities won't let them work full-time and be law students or Ph.D. students. I think that is why Obama is talking about raising it from 24 to 25.

I just think in today's environment everyone needs insurance.

Edited October 31, 200817 yr by Jess

Yikes! I haven't heard that speech or this position, but that's not good, IMHO. This is just the kind of out-of-the-mainstream liberal idea that he needs to stay away from and not endorse it. 25 is way too old for a child to be on their parent's healthcare plan and I imagine that the majority of Americans would agree with that.

I'm a liberal SOB and I don't even like that plan.

I guess I'm confused. Being able to claim your 25-year-old isn't like being required to claim them right? It actually seems realistic to me. It takes longer for people to get through college for a lot of reasons. And it's harder to find an entry level job that provides insurance. I lived at home until I was 26. I also worked two jobs part-time (one "in my field" and one to pay bills) neither of which provided health insurance.

I'd follow Obama into the fires of Hell but frankly I'm not thrilled with either candidate's plan. I wish we would focus on improving health care instead of tweaking a fatally broken system.

http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/taf.shtml?hp=1

Here's a link to a video you can personalize for your friends to encourage them to vote.....it basically says that Obama lost by one vote and your friend is the person that cost him the election.

I guess I'm confused. Being able to claim your 25-year-old isn't like being required to claim them right? It actually seems realistic to me. It takes longer for people to get through college for a lot of reasons. And it's harder to find an entry level job that provides insurance. I lived at home until I was 26. I also worked two jobs part-time (one "in my field" and one to pay bills) neither of which provided health insurance.

I'd follow Obama into the fires of Hell but frankly I'm not thrilled with either candidate's plan. I wish we would focus on improving health care instead of tweaking a fatally broken system.

You know, I proudly voted for Obama for president and I think he has the potential to be a great leader. Like you, however, I'm not happy with either candidate's health care plan. It's incremental change when I think we probably need innovation.

Edited October 31, 200817 yr by Jess

So I voted and I have a question about voting machines.

The ones we use (and have used for at least 2 years) have this roll of paper, kind of like receipt paper, that prints your picks on it as you pick them. There's a transparent panel that you can see through so that you see who's name is on the paper. The paper is then rolled up like how receipt paper is. And they have to change the rolls when they get full. So, wouldn't that be a paper trail? Do all machines not do this? And if not, why aren't states getting these have this paper in them?

Edited October 31, 200817 yr by bandbfan