This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I don't think Bill Clinton is a racist, but his comments were ridiculous.

Ridiculous is an understatement to me. He made some racially charged comments possibly because he thought he was immune to any sort of criticism since he has that office in Harlem. His comments were extremely offensive and/or disappointing to some people and probably made some supporters very uncomfortable and put them in an awkward position of having to defend their support of him to some of their irate constituents.

If John McCain had made any of those comments then Democrats would be outraged and he'd have all sorts of ugly labels attached to him whether or not the people doing the name calling believed him to be a racist or not because it's politically expedient. It's not beneficial for the Democratic party to examine some of its own backwards thinking at this time because they're on the unity kick with an election at risk.

Partisan politics reeks of hypocrisy and more people may end up going Independent if the parties don't start to become more progressive.

Wales you might be right. I did over react a bit to that guys ridiculous comments.

But I do think Bill Clinton may be racist given his conduct this year. Sorry but the things he's said and done have offended me and no matter what insults kswing and people like him or her want to hurl at me I'm not going to change my mind about him or his wife.

As for divisions....lets ask ourselves who we have to thank for those divisions....

If the truth is told its Hilarys fault.

IA with you that the divisions are mainly her fault because of things that she and Bill said. I take issue with the fact that neither of them own up to their divisive strategy and instead try to blame it on others and other factors.

I still don't think they're racist (and again I use a liberal definition of the word) but I do believe that they were counting on what they perceived to be the racism of other Americans to get them the victory. That mantra of hers that Barack Obama can't win said it all.

The reality is that no matter how we try to present ourselves as being open or color blind, there is still a part of us (it may be buried deeper in some than others) that is not. We're subjected to images and certain media on a daily basis that kind of makes it hard to ignore at times and it's more of a struggle for some of us.

I don't think the Clintons are that much different from people who want to be open minded but haven't fully grasped that the people that are different from them are really just the same underneath. They dabble in ignorance and they're in the spot light with it. My position on their antics actually evolved because at first I wrote them off as merely trying to get over on some misguided black followers but in that respect they're no different than the majority of politicians. I think they do care about people but I think power and ego probably come first. But since they're politically savvy then I'm not going to make like they didn't say those things because I think they should own up and apologize.

I keep forgetting to mention this but I will say it now, you can get Keith olberman's show on podcast for free, its the entire show in video or audio format. I'm dissapointed in Anderson cooper's podcast, its just 20 minutes and shows very short segments of his show.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/27/w...ain-mean-by-we/

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/27/m...ating-his-wife/

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/27/m...ating-his-wife/

Even though I get why this person is bothered by McCain not getting enough media scrutiny, this isn't even a story.

And that whole unity in Unity story that the media fixated on was a bit of a wash to me too. If they're going to spend all this time pumping up an event to bring it down with all the talk about the brutal negotiations then they might as well have said that the party needs to look unified and here are two politicians working at it. It was cutesy little stuff that doesn't amount to much of anything.

The media is still going to keep on insisting that Obama needs to grovel to win over Clinton's supporters while saying that the majority of them went over to him before yesterday and while pointing out that the holdouts are hard line activists and others that probably have no intention of voting for him no matter what. All of that contradicts the need for the groveling. People with a short attention span like me don't need to hear for the umpteenth time how she opened up the door for his daughters and everyone else's daughters and made it possible for them to run for President. All that syrup is tooth ache inducing and diplomacy is one thing but after awhile it's like treading in brown nosing territory and it doesn't sound so sincere. That's another downside of politics.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/29/n...nearly-default/

^^^Just another reason among many why McCain is not fit to be president.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/29/l...flop-flashback/

Yeah. This is straight talk.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/01/c...e-talk-express/

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2303

McCain: Obama Should Cut Wesley Clark Loose.

Share July 01, 2008 7:29 PM

ABC News' Bret Hovell Reports: John McCain, taking questions from reporters aboard his Straight Talk Express: The Airplane Edition, said it was time for the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama to cut retired Gen. Wesley Clark loose.

"I think it's up to Sen. Obama now to not only repudiate him, but to cut him loose," McCain said to a small group of reporters somewhere between Indianapolis, IN, and Cartagena, Colombia.

For two days, the Obama campaign has been off message, forced to manage the fallout surrounding comments Clark made about McCain's war service in a broadcast interview Sunday. The highly regarded former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO said of McCain, whose plane was shot down and was later held captive in Vietnam, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."

Onboard his plane Tuesday, McCain was asked if Obama -- who did reject Clark's comments on Monday --had done enough to repudiate the general. He didn't take the bait. "That's up to others to decide," said McCain. "I'm not going to worry about the comments General Clark made."

He implied that Clark's comments were a distraction, saying they didn't help solve the economic woes of the United States.

The wide ranging media avail was divided into 2 parts because of space concerns. About half of the 20 members of press traveling with the campaign joined McCain at a time in an area on the plane specifically designed for the flying press conference.

Wow.....I wonder who forced Obama off message for two days now since it couldn't possibly be the media. John McCain shouldn't try to give out suggestions on who should be cut loose from Obama's campaign. He should stick to his own and no one is stopping him from solving the economic woes of the country. He's the one who chose to make Wesley Clark's comments into a mountain.

There's no question about whether what Wesley Clarke said is true, the issue is that some people may not have found it to be politically correct. What Charles Black said was not politically correct either but the media didn't try to take John McCain off message over it nor did Obama say that Charles Black should be cut loose from McCain's campaign.

Most of the media want to be cohorts in John McCain's hypocrisy. I wonder how well their best efforts will turn out.

Wow.....I wonder who forced Obama off message for two days now since it couldn't possibly be the media. John McCain shouldn't try to give out suggestions on who should be cut loose from Obama's campaign. He should stick to his own and no one is stopping him from solving the economic woes of the country. He's the one who chose to make Wesley Clark's comments into a mountain.

There's no question about whether what Wesley Clarke said is true, the issue is that some people may not have found it to be politically correct. What Charles Black said was not politically correct either but the media didn't try to take John McCain off message over it nor did Obama say that Charles Black should be cut loose from McCain's campaign.

Most of the media want to be cohorts in John McCain's hypocrisy. I wonder how well their best efforts will turn out.

The hypocricy from the McCain campaign is truly disappointing.

Charles Black is still on the payroll......yet BO should cut WC loose?

McCain would love Obama to cut Wesley Clark lose because Wesley Clark is a general and well-respected. Yep Charlie Black is not cut loose and Clark should be? You know McCain has said the media is his constituency and I guess they are now also his biggest campaign supporters.

It's so nice to hear how the media gets to have news conferences on McCain's plane.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/144518

I wish jesse jackson would STFU, obama is running as the American candidate not the black candidate. I'm not liking Jesse/Al sharpton rearing their ugly heads into Obama's campaign. Funny how they kept pretty much quiet during the primaries and now they are showing out before the general election.