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1 minute ago, Roman said:

 there are none to be found. my thinking is they can't produce them fast enough at all to meet demand. which also goes to that....well, we know who.

Ebay is where you have to get them at this point. 

2 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

I can't find a mask or gloves anywhere. I tried to buy through Amazon and the delivery date is mid-May.

You have to go to Ebay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/300-3boxes-Latex-Disposable-Gloves-Powder-Free-Vinyl-Nitrile-Free-Size-Large/110904467359?hash=item19d26bdf9f:g:MboAAMXQQANREQRW

9 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

Population density certainly is a factor . But this virus is now moving to parts of rural America. You can't blame that on population density. There has been mass closure of rural hospitals over the past 15 to 20 years and they have also been heavily under resourced - people and supplies.

It's not really. That is spin. Outbreaks in rural counties are traced to nursing homes and public events that have been held there. It's almost all density. Some of it is the actual DESIGN of the housing. In most of rural America, apartment buildings aren't multiple floor buildings with a single entrance, like New York. they are 3 floor complexes with covered outdoor stairs. No shared entry door to the building, no shared laundry facilities, no shared elevators. In New York, the percentage of positive cases to people tested is 40%. In my county, it is 4.5%. It's 8.5% in the entire state of Missouri, and that takes into account St. Louis, which has 58% of the positive cases. 

12 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Anyone participating in the factory farm system has no place to talk. Unless you're vegetarian or own, raise your own chickens, it's all just idle talk, isn't it?And both countries are no doubt, under-counting their dead. 

Trump can talk his bullsh*t at his circus PR conferences all day, every day but it doesn't negate or even obscure the truth that the intelligence about this growing COVID-19 crisis was there since late last year, if only he'd read a goddamned intelligence report.

Now because of the buffonery and ignorance of that oaf in the WH, we have to see scenes like this play out in NYC and likely in other places across America.

 

China is a repressive government that lies to their own people, which left Chinese citizens unable to protect themselves. America has a racist, white supremacist, xenophobic, misogynist wannabe authoritarian who doesn't have the sense and intelligence God gave a gnat and it is causing the deaths of thousands of people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you about Trump. But the spread of this virus is caused by one thing. People in too close a proximity to each other. In New York, this fire was ignited by the subway system, and apartment buildings that cram people in like sardines. All in the name of the almighty dollar. 

1 minute ago, JaneAusten said:

You're the one sitting here defending factory farming - no one else. As factory farming lobbyists are pushing congress to criminalize protestors.  And as Coronavirus is running rampant in their facilities as we speak.  

How am I defending it? It's a global scourge. I wish it was gone TODAY

3 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

The U.S., which also has a disgusting system of factory farming, is in no position to throw stones at China. Both have practices that are uttery foul.

People do know that there is coronavirus spreading all over U.S. meat and poultry plants, right?

 

Stones should be thrown at both. BTW... can you give me the name of one country that does not practice factory farming?

1 hour ago, JaneAusten said:

Any farm that is sublet by the mega corps does it. McDonalds has their own blend of what their cows are fed. Purdue owns farms all over this country as does Monsanto. If you think those animals on all those farms are not pumped up with antibiotics you're fooling yourself. When was the last time you saw a chicken breast in the store that wasn't twice as big as it should be had that chicken been raised safely and humanly. There might be more farms out there right now that aren't like that but the food supply I see in the grocery store - mega sized chicken breasts as an example - don't reflect that those farms are a huge part of our daily food supply.  But aren't you blaming all of China for something that might be an outlier as you claim those factory farms are outliers here. Perhaps neither one of those things are true.

And FYI... hormones and steroids are banned in chicken production by the FDA in the United States, these huge chicken breasts you see today are a result of selective breeding. Antibiotics are absolutely used, but they do not affect the finished size of the bird. If most people had actually tasted a free range chicken, they'd be demanding THAT, and factory farms would go the way of the wind. It's all about consumer demand. High fructose corn syrup is reducing in use year by year also, due to consumer demand. 

17 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

Any farm that is sublet by the mega corps does it. McDonalds has their own blend of what their cows are fed. Purdue owns farms all over this country as does Monsanto. If you think those animals on all those farms are not pumped up with antibiotics you're fooling yourself. When was the last time you saw a chicken breast in the store that wasn't twice as big as it should be had that chicken been raised safely and humanly. There might be more farms out there right now that aren't like that but the food supply I see in the grocery store - mega sized chicken breasts as an example - don't reflect that those farms are a huge part of our daily food supply.  But aren't you blaming all of China for something that might be an outlier as you claim those factory farms are outliers here. Perhaps neither one of those things are true.

It's simply the manner in which the Chinese process and sell. They simply need to update their food handling practices, or else the next virus might kill half the world's population or worse.  and this article was written 14 YEARS ago. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16940861

8 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

This is horrible but the US basically does the same thing. Visit a factory farm sometime and see how the animals are mistreated and the drugs they are pumped with to treat disease.

Factory farming is awful... but also a large portion of the United states does not do it. For isntance, there are 600 cattle farms in my county, and not one of them is a factory farm. they are all cattle grazing on open land. Much of it is the way the animals are handled, and how they are eaten. After all, when was the last time a new virus originated in North america?

Countries need to stop doing things like this, and maybe these viruses would not emerge. 

5 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Same.  Like I said upthread, I just don't believe this country could tolerate ANY leader who isn't a white, (pseudo-)Christian male.  Disgraceful, yes, but those are the facts.

Oh.. peeshaw. Obama won by 10 million votes, America tolerated him well. You just live in a meth head trailer trash state, so your perception is skewed. If Social media did not exist, most people would never be the wiser about the feelings low class white Americans had about Obama. 

So, is this really a thing? Is this why the percentage of black deaths from the virus are proportionally higher? 

4 hours ago, dragonflies said:

I don't care who this pisses off, stop buying gloves if you don't need them. Health care workers can't get them cause of people b buying them, that don't need them. Wash your damn hands lol

What are you talking about "Can't get them" The link I posted a few days ago sold out, but there is plenty more. If you just go to Ebay and type in "nitrile gloves" there are over 14,000 results. Amazon has a ton available as well. 

7 hours ago, AlexElizabeth said:

 

It frustrates me to see how many people don't seem to understand how gloves work. I keep seeing people at the store who wear gloves, touch the cart, touch everything on the shelves, and then touch their face, but they think they're protected because they're wearing gloves. Like no. Gloves don't magically kill the germs on whatever your touching. They're just as dirty as your hands unless you change them every time you touch something.

And that's exactly what I do. Throw them away every time I have to touch something. Normally I go through about 600 gloves every 4 months. I've been through 500 in the last month. I will wear 1 pair to touch all the "dirty" stuff at one time, then throw them away before I get into my car or touch anything else I own. 

4 hours ago, Roman said:

JUST clicked the link. it says ENDED.

I know.... I guess that vendor has sold out. There are still others on ebay, and quite a few. 

9 hours ago, AlexElizabeth said:

 

Nope, at least not at the hospital system I work for.

Sorry... but if you aren't being provided adequate protection,  and they refuse to let you bring your own, I'd walk. Simple as that. 

8 hours ago, AlexElizabeth said:

 

I work in a hospital and right now we're provided with one surgical mask that we wear until it is "saturated with blood or other bodily fluids" (that is the wording on our policy). We keep wearing the same mask even if we wore it into the room of a Covid-positive patient. We're required to wear the mask for our entire shift too (not just when with patients), so it's just nasty by the end of the day, much less by the end of the week. We have a few pairs of goggles for the whole hospital. I think we're supposed to be getting face shields that Ford is producing. I don't think we've had an issue with gloves yet, and our gowns are washable so I think we're okay there. We're using hand sanitizer that was produced and donated by a local company because we're out otherwise.

 

Saw a news story today that nurses from Kalamazoo, MI are being forced to go work with Covid patients in Detroit. They get an extra $2 an hour for doing this and PPE is not guaranteed. So glad to see these nurses getting such a great incentive for the work they're doing. https://www.woodtv.com/health/coronavirus/rep-kzoo-nurses-very-upset-over-forced-move-to-detroit/

Are you not allowed to bring your own from home? 

7 hours ago, marceline said:

 

This is probably why the Queen made a public address. Johnson is dying and she wanted to get in front of it.

 

Which makes me wonder: has there been any update on Rand Paul? I figure if he were healthy he'd be blowing his own horn about his excellent medical care. 

I think you're right. And I was wondering about Rand Paul just this morning. 

12 minutes ago, amybrickwallace said:

As a healthcare worker, I would like to get a few things off my chest. I work for a caregiving company here in Ohio, and the lion's share of our work is in the homes of elderly and/or infirm (though we also help some clients in assisted living facilities). We have to ration and reuse masks and vinyl gloves, because like everywhere else there are shortages. What a fine thing outsourcing turned out to be, right?

 

I have no earthly idea why store clerks and food workers at the restaurants (both carry-out and drive-thrus) are not wearing masks and gloves. You're definitely not six feet away from the clerk once you reach the head of the line/window. At least the clerks at the post office are wearing PPE (probably because they learned extensive safety protocol following the anthrax attacks of 2001). 

 

Still, I'm the angriest about the mixed messages the President is sending by his "do as I say, not as I do" attitude. At least the governor, lieutenant governor and director of health here in Ohio are all positioned six or more feet away from each other in their daily press briefings. The governor has held up the cloth masks made by his wife that he wears out in public, save for the daily conferences to the press. Meanwhile, Trump and company are all squished together in his press conferences to the nation, no masks in sight. I had to stop watching them because I didn't want to throw a shoe through the TV!!!

Why are you having to ration gloves? This is where I buy them:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/McKesson-Confiderm-3-8-Nitrile-Exam-Gloves-Large-Powder-free-CS-1000/274254263506?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Damn.  Coronavirus did what countless villains in Monticello could never do: it took out Mike Karr.   

 

 

Thank you, @Taoboi.  I must admit there are days when I don't feel, for lack of a better word, inspirational.  More often than not, I feel more like Howard Beale, the anchorman-gone-mad on "Network," ranting and raving on the air about a society breaking down into utter chaos, to an audience of no one and everyone.

 

I truly wish I could make more sense of these times, but I can't.  I know only too well how we arrived here, but how we get out of it and where do we go after that?  I haven't the foggiest idea, lol.

Like Joan Rivers says, you just keep moving forward. Go to work, come home, get on with life. 

Oklahoma has got to be perhaps the most ridiculous state in the union at this point, they are NOT TESTING, they have the lowest testing rate in the entire country.....even Wyoming has tested more people.  There has got to be literally tens of thousands of Typhoid Marys walking around down there. Only 1,794 people tested in the WHOLE STATE. And 565 positives (that is a 31.49% positive rate of those tested). Kansas to the north is  better, with 424 positives, but they have at least tested 5,424 people, giving them a positive rate of 8.7%. 

16 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

So I have passed my self isolation timeline and am fine but of course still at home.

 

I was curious how many people have gotten ill closer to the 14 day mark than the 1 day mark of being exposed. It seems all cases I am reading about tend to be within 2 or 3 days of known exposure.

 

I know a typical virus - the symptoms if you have caught it -  typically materializes no more than 7 days after exposure. After that you are normally out of danger of getting ill. Is the 14 days just a safeguard? It's really why after I passed 7 days from exposure I wasn't really that worried.

The vast majority do show symptoms well within that time frame. I had found a medical site that gave a more detailed account of what they know so far, they said that 97% of people who are exposed will show symptoms by day 11. There are a few outliers that will show on day 12 and 13, that's why they say 14 days. 

10 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

 

 

   

 

  

This story was from a year ago, and gives much credence to that theory. 

7 hours ago, Khan said:

Yeah, right, George.  And if he were alive right now, and if he were to test positive for the coronavirus, he'd be scared shitless, just like the rest of us.

Yes, his video was ridiculous. What about Ecoli? It used to be called "Summer complaint" in the early 1900's, and my great grandmother had 2 children die of it at the age of 3. 

It just gets better and better:

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

If he makes it through, hopefully PM Johnson emerges as a better, more compassionate human being.

 

In other events, this is a bit of heartfelt news.

 

I'm wondering if he might buy himself a comb?

7 hours ago, dragonflies said:

Unless you change gloves after touching ANYTHING they are useless....

And that is exactly how I do it. I've gone through 250 gloves since February 29. 

9 hours ago, Edward Skylover said:

 

It's making me paranoid. I'm so paranoid about getting it when I go to the supermarket.

I understand. That's why I stopped going to the store. I am working, because I work outdoors without needing any face to face interaction.... but I haven't set foot inside a store or public building in 8 days now, and intend to keep that up for the next 3 weeks at least. I do curbside pickup with groceries, and use gloves to dump the contents of my purchases into another container when I get home. Just treat the stuff exactly as if it were a hot pan coming right out of the oven. No bare hand contact. 

3 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

So will automatically get it or do we have to sign up somewhere?

I'm not sure that has been ironed out yet. I have heard that if you filed online, and got a refund through direct deposit in 2018, then that will be the way it happens again, and everyone else gets a check in the mail. I think people who flout the system and don't file their taxes may get left out. But that will remain to be seen. Ironically, I'm going to be using mine to pay my social security taxes, since I'm still working.