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LOL, it's funny how she gets such hate around here, I think the things that were a bit "much" about her back then we had no idea would still be going strong. I'm not sure anyone would havge guessed that she would have had the soap career she has. Not that she's bad, but I don't think we held much hope that Loving actors would get a fair deal. Actually, no, I'd never seen that article. Episodes is the best! It's funny because I believe back then they advertised that you could buy all the back issues and there was even a nifty holder to keep them in. Or maybe I'm confusing that with another magazine. I don't remember that Kate fantasy though I think I read about it. When I think of Kate, my mind mstly goes to her with her head in a scarf when she was battling cancer or earlier scenes of her and Roya-Ava in her mini-power suits and little veiled hats. And then her and Louie.

Yup, earlier in this thread I mentioned how my mom quipped about Isabelle's face in the picture changing three and four times. It was a big full-bodied portrait of them both, not unlike Carmen Duncan Iris' portrait of her and Mac. I wasn't really good at judging the nuances between the various Isabelles as a kid. Celeste, and I'm sure the white hair helped, had the most ethereal quality to me. I'll say this though, she did nothing in particular to annoy me, but Patricia Barry *felt* like a recast, at least to my younger mind. The way I'm almost positive Janis Paige must have really *felt* like a recast replacing Dame Judith Anderson. It was my first time noticing Patricia on the show when my mother made that comment, but she had the disfigurement story to explain her change in appearance. Of course like Max on OLTL or even Ellen Wheeler returning to the role of Marley on AW, it was weird that Augusta Dabney would return to the role as she was pre-facial transformation Isabelle, YET, she wasn't playing Isabelle when that happened, Celeste was, so it worked in it's own way. That's a lovely apartment, Central Park West. Here's their building: http://www.thecityreview.com/uws/cpw/cpw88.html I know she remarried to a much younger guy, don't know if they're still together. All Some questioned his intentions (see: Martha Raye).

^^LOL, makes me think of Millie Jackson (but not nearly as blue!)... I was introduced to this lady when I woke up to the sound of her voice on my alarm clock this morning. She was singing "But Beautiful" (the version YouTube has isn't as good as the one my local jazz station was playing). Miss Lorez Alexandria. She was sick. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/PpVdLwC3fE4?fs=224&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param'>http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/PpVdLwC3fE4?fs=224&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/PpVdLwC3fE4?fs=224&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/LUfnDsbUkys?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param'>http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/LUfnDsbUkys?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/LUfnDsbUkys?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/8VWnB-OM-GY?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param'>http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/8VWnB-OM-GY?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/8VWnB-OM-GY?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

I saw a promo for Hamlet on the THIS network last week and it was nice that they billed Eileen in the commercial along with Olivier. And of course there was Kim Hunter on EON. Would like to see Uta's work on OLTL too. Sandy Dennis was on GL before she was Sandy Dennis, but I would have loved to have seen her in some old Lemay-era AW clip. I think she would have been a fascinating Iris temp a la Carole Shelley. Not exactly an ac-tress, but a Tony winner just the same, Jennifer Holliday appeared on Guiding Light during her Dreamgirls days and Jonathan Reiner was always shamelessly dropping hints for the GL people to send him some old tapes of her.

Yup, I own it! I wish Kim Stanley could have cast out those devils and knocked out at least one great soap stint. Even Geraldine Page's Loving movie appearance was greatly appreciated.

Soapsuds, did you see Stacy Lattisaw's Unsung on TV One? I love Edna Wright's voice, but I know what you mean AMS. It's kind of like Donny Osmond when he was trying to be white Michael and even Michael himself when they got shrill in that loud early '70s music kinda way.

I prefer Mark, he's a cool witty guy before they make him a traitor. Jarrett/Baxter is more of a vanilla good guy. I'd like to see more episodes involving his reveal, like his first scene with Myrna for example. Him leaving Myrna for Clarissa was the end of the ladies' since childhood friendship and the beginning of a bunch of mess. Here's a clip (in English!), oh, and that so is not the Lincoln Memorial, remembered it wrong: <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9p6zjwyPhPM" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

Sure! She stuck with Baxter. Mark was killed in a shoot out at Lincoln Memorial (real tasteful). I'm almost positive James Lipton was responsible for that, and from what I gather, it was a VERY unpopular story development (making a charming, upstanding guy like Mark a trader/spy).

That story, particularly their emotional reunion, was listed in some soap magazine's greatest moments list, I've only seen bits of that s/l. Yeah, Baxter (Ron Harper) was in town for months before they knew who he was and Clarissa fell for him over Mark. I think that contributed to Mark losing it/the reveal of him being a secret spy villain, or whatever. Actually, he may have even been involved with Baxter aka Garrett in the undercover spy world or something.

She is a fine actress, a friend of mine did Trip to Bountiful with her. I didn't realize her soap career went that far back. I also have trouble imagining her as glamorous Lisa, and for some reson, the ages (in my mind at least, to lazy to actually look it up ) don't seem to match up. She did this taped very soap-looking production of Tennessee Williams' "Talk to Me Like the Rain and Let Me Listen" for NY PBS which was mid-'70s, I guess a little after her Somerset gig. And this isn't a soap "They Almost Became", but Meryl Streep was the original choice for Lois' role as the kinda kooky gardener in Minority Report with Tom Cruise.

Gotcha, thanks. Have there ever been any Jewish characters on the show besides that thing with Brad?

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DeeeDee, did you ever sense a Jewish-yet-not-Jewish undertone from the Abbotts? Kind of like Dorothy and Sophia on The Golden Girls, Italian on paper yet totally Jewish as written? Iris' biological mother Sylvie on Another World would be another example, Lemay has even said he hinted at that. I don't mean in a purely stereotypical way, but the looks of Davidson, and Maitland in particular, the relationship with the African American maid, it reminds me an awful lot of other fictional examples of Jewish families as well as some in my own life.

I'm trying to figure out which set bellcurve's being reminded of. The Clegg mansion was an extraordinary set, I can't think of many sets that had such height. The Alden mansion was tall and Erica's mid-'90s purple Linden House had a tall straight staircase too, but it was against a wall, not free standing, and didn't look quite as grand as the Cleggs'. The Cleggs also had a den to the left of the staircase that doubled as Sam's office. It was quite a contrast to the postmodern black and white living room, it was dark green and leather and wood. I could see that one being easily recycled. I read once that they were already building B&B sets around them as they were still taping Capitol. I bet at least one Capitol employee left a good luck booger or two. I agree, Capitol could be kind of boring. At least it always looked great. I am definitely more drawn to the concept being from the area, plus the cast and the production values more than any particular storyline. It's one thing if they were taping in NY, but the way they'd fly from California to do on location stuff that could have easily been worked around or green screened was impressive. And even when they DID green screen, that was still impressive, particularly when it was clear that the footage was original (i.e., they sent someone out to film a drive from Arlington to the Capitol, they just didn't send the actors out and had them do it in front of the screen). Did you all catch the pilot movie when it was on WoST? I had a soapgasm the day I saw that was uploaded.

Eileen was a little upset about them recasting her with Carmen at the time because Lisa was hardly ever given anything to play. When they finally DID give her something, they didn't really make an effort to work around Eileen's schedule, even have her on crutches/in a wheelchair or whatever. I have one of Carmen's episodes on tape. Her scenes are with Sarah Brown and her little moppet of a son with the Lawrence brothers bowl cut. I wasn't an ATWT fan, I just tuned in to see Carmen, but I guess Lisa owned the hotel where they were staying and she was being a warm hostess to them.

Was Katie Logan like a spin on the Traci Abbott prototype when B&B began?

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Oooh, that's a good one! I'm going to have to say without my TV. There's plenty of TV and news to be found on the Internet and I couldn't live without email and such. Live without your phone or email?

Exactly! All standing with their glasses and little plates of hors d'oeuvres. Carl, I had forgotten about her too, she was crushing on Monroe. I know I know her from somewhere else but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment, though my hunch is telling me that's Dora from I Married Dora. I do remember Pat Carroll but I didn't recall just how revamped the show had been. By this point it was in first run syndication and I remember it coming on around dinner time. It's hard for me to remember what was new and what was a rerun as the majority of sitcoms I watched growing up were airing new episodes and syndicated reruns simultaneously.

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I don't know why I feel this way seeing as how some much more beloved film stars have done stints on soaps, but George Lazenby just seems so grand for a syndicated soap opera. I guess I always picture him in a tux and on an airplane in late night cable Emmanuelle movies. I'm not sure I knew that Wesley Ann Pfenning did this after AW. I see that Karen Kelly was in this, she played the final Brenda on Capitol. It's kind of funny how Kin "introduces" Mary Beth Evans. Lynn Hamilton, Randy Brooks, other familiar faces. Geesh Kin, way to make 32 feel like 82. But I found that interview interesting, specifically how he was sold on Rituals. I'd think the fact that the show was taped and came on 5x/week may have been some sort of red flag, but maybe he kinda heard what he wanted to hear? I dunno. He seems grateful yet a *little* bitter about soaps sucking up his 20s and by the time he got to the Jan-Michael Vincent reference even I was reaching for the Lexapro. I hope if you interviewed him now he'd say that he found great happiness in his career and is all in all pleased with the way everything turned out.

I know, right? And YET... I'm a little intrigued. Roya Megnot would have been a better Erica than Lisa Peluso, but in both cases it would have looked like little girls playing dress up, both too young. I used to think Anna Stuart would make for a good temp Erica when she was still on AW but I don't necessarily agree with that anymore. Her energy is perfect for women like Mary Smythe.