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On 10/8/2019 at 1:55 PM, JAS0N47 said:

CHRISTMAS SNEAK PEEK CLUE...

This Christmas Eve, not every scene will take place in Salem.

What?!!!!! I am always looking forward to Christmas at the Hortons. But, automatically, that means in Salem. Where are they gonna go?!!! And why? DOOL doesn't even have a secondary locale.

This is from THE SURVIVAL OF SOAP OPERA: TRANSFORMATIONS FOR A NEW MEDIA ERA. Edited by Sam Ford, Abigail de Kosnik, and C. Lee Harrington. University Press of Mississippi/Jackson. © 2011.

I have permission to share it with you from both Patrick Erwin and Sam Ford

GL Relevance and Renewal in a Changing Genre by Patrick Erwin

[Maybe this would work:

https://www.amazon.com/reader/1617033170/ref=rdr_sb_li_hist_1&state=10112#reader_1617033170]

On 11/2/2017 at 11:01 AM, BellaCuore said:

The Official "Off Topic" Thread

 

Get to know other posters and speak of anything other than soap opera's, primetime shows or politics. Great way to make new friends, get to know one another, get advice, share life experiences and much more. 

Today is Friday, Oct. 11th, 2019, an annual holiday, National Coming Out Day. When I came out, back in 1999, I went from unhappy to happy. Hooray!

I'm back in Kim's book again looking for where she talked about not wanting to break the fourth wall. Lord, it's taking forever.

2 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

Tricked her and stabbed her with a syringe filled with something "just for her".

Oh, groan. I mean, I really don't think of Rolf as smart enough. Is he?

36 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

You know, it's not as if TPTB had decided on a Monday to start taping episodes in Peapack that Tuesday.  GL had ample "lead time" to figure out a smoother transition. 

 

For instance, they could have staged a (modest) tornado just before the switch that 1) would have generated more interest in The Great Peapack Experiment and 2) would have explained the relative sparseness of their new locales.  ("Devastated by a tornado no one was prepared for, the citizens of Springfield face an uncertain future as they must rebuild their homes -- and their lives.")

 

There were a number of ways to handle the transition, and IMO, Ellen Wheeler and her team fucked up by choosing none of 'em.

I don't think they had any time at all. For example, they had to  learn OTJ (on the job) how to use the handheld digital cameras & lavalier mics. That's why the transition was so difficult. And, then, after Step 1, the cams &  mics, getting ready to work outside the next part was learning how to write for the new structure. Which they very well did, but it took some time & part of that time was wasted having ConWest in place!

27 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

I'm curious as well, @Roman.  The only plan of his that I know of was (of course) giving the men of Salem back their balls.  (Hogan Sheffer was REALLY obsessed with men's balls for some reason.)

Yes, Hoagie had testosterone on the brain!

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

If Cynthia Watros can't make Nina "pop," then you KNOW the character has to GO.

Wow, I didn't realize the writing for her was so bad. If Watros can't play some part, whatever that part is, then, there is something dreadfully wrong!

Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin, nicknamed "Mickey" since childhood. She is an American television network executive. Accolades include recipient Maggie award for television documentaries Planned Parenthood Federation American, 1982, Ace award for best magazine show, 1983, Clean Air Week award American Lung Association, 1989. Member National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (board directors 1985-1987), National Cable television Association (chairman Ace awards committee 1983-1984).

https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1240445

Dwyer-Dobbin initially stated that no soap opera would be canceled under her watch; however, that promise was broken when, in 1999, Another World was cancelled after 35 years on television. This decision appears to have ultimately been made because NBC and Procter & Gamble could not agree on the fee NBC would pay for the show; nonetheless, viewers blamed Dwyer-Dobbin.

(That is the first time i have ever heard that as a reason for cancelling AW. Has anyone else ever heard it as a reason?)

Mary-Ellis Bunim (RIP) was both a Producer and a network Exec. She produced at different levels at SFT, ATWT and SB. Then she became associated with Jonathan Murray where they formed Bunim/Murray Productions. It was best known in daytime drama space by a reality "character growth/life coach" show, STARTING OVER, where they housed a half dozen women in a place to work on their lives. In primetime they did REAL WORLD and various shows like ROAD RULES and music management. STARTING OVER was probably best known for the wisdom of Iyanla Van Zant.

52 minutes ago, Mitch said:

People JUMPED on my on the Facebook GL thing when I said the whole thing was stupid..they just didnt get that it made no sense, I wasnt interested in watching the actors do anything but act as their characters, and it was a waste of time and energy when we were on the chopping block!

Zimmer didn't want to do it for that reason: because she didn't want to break the fourth wall & be Zimmer instead of Reva. That's why they did it as webisodes rather than regular episodes.

41 minutes ago, Roman said:

Loved Victor and Victoria's scene.

I just happened to be up front in the living room when that scene was on. Our weekday caretaker Val watches Y&R. I watch DOOL back in my room. The times are different. Anyway, that was a terrific scene! I don't even like Victor & it was great.

6 hours ago, Donna B said:

P&G was not really a network or a creator but rather was a distributor & an advertiser. At one point P&G owned more soaps than anyone else. And, at one point P&G advertised more products than anyone else except for cars & for phone companies right after they had been deregulated by Reagan.

    

          Around the globe Procter & Gamble Co. products take consumers from cradle to grave. Pampers diapers cover babies' bottoms and Ivory soap floats in their bathtubs. Crest toothpaste brushes their teeth and Tide detergent washes their clothes. Folgers coffee starts the workday; Duncan Hines cakes mark each birthday.
          The Cincinnati company is an American success story. A share of P&G stock purchased in 1986 hsd appreciated 159 percent by 1992---more than double the Dow Jones Average growth rate---and the company has increased dividends to shareholders for 36 years in a row. All told, P&G goods are found in 98 percent of all kitchens and pantries. P&G's invention of selling competing brands has been duplicated to sell everything from Cadillacs to candy bars.
     P&G, which popularized consumer advertising and daytime soap operas, has built an empire partially by reinforcing stereotypes about women as subservient to men.
     P&G's standing as the country's largest advertiser gives it a stranglehold on Madison Avenue. Armed with a $2.15-billion annual advertising budget, the company blankets the country with messages about Ivory purity, Downy softness, and Scope freshness. Those massive P&G accounts offer steady work in a tumultous industry, but the soap company controls virtually every aspect of its ad agencies' work. It has tried to block mergers between agencies and moved multimillion-dollar accounts when its wishes weren't obeyed. Even account managers get locked into restrictive P&G agreements that limit where they can work after doing business with the company.
     P&G tried its soap opera format on daytime television. Their first daytime soap was "The First Hundred Years", launched in 1950. It lasted only a month.
     But, P&G tried again with "Search for Tomorrow" and a TV version of its radio show, "The Guiding Light". By the mid-fifties it had thirteen different soaps on the air.
     The company was criticized from the start about the sappy content of its ads and TV shows, but P&G believed it was in the business to sell soap, nothing else. "The problem of improving the literary tastes of the people is the problem of the schools," said CEO Neil McElroy in 1953. P&G consumers "aren't intellectuals---they're ordinary people, good people, who win wars for us, produce our manufactured products, and grow our food." He then added, "They use a lot of soap."
     P&G's G-rated nature is hypocritical considering its continued sponsorship of the daytime soap operas "Guiding Light", "Another World," and "As the World Turns", which all portray marriage as disposable as diapers. For example, in a typical episode of "Another World" the women sob about their tortured love lives.        
     P&G  has moved into new markets in China & Russia & they've sent their old traditional soap operas there, too. "Search for Tomorrow and "Guiding Light".

Apple's introducing an otter emoji!

So, listen, I had to miss the show again yesterday. What did I miss< Thanks.

16 hours ago, Dan said:

I think sadly that Peapack could have really been good had they not approached it as a budget cutting measure designed to stave off cancelation. Keeping the control room and being able to control lighting and blocking would have done wonders. Not to mention keeping the music department intact instead of that elevator muzak bs. Shame we couldn't have better writing at the time too, come to think of it. 

Now the music was another element that I loved.

17 hours ago, Khan said:

 

At the very least, David Kreizman could have written a short-term arc about the "scourge of homelessness in Springfield" that would have dovetailed into the show's real-life work with (I think) Habitat for Humanity.  As it was, though, switching from episodes with ongoing dramas to those featuring real-life humanitarianism with no appropriate correlation was jarring and, frankly, silly.

Yes, that could have been written.

On 10/9/2019 at 1:27 PM, KMan101 said:

 

lol exactly.

 

I'm not thrilled but I could use a break from Hope, personally.

 

I can agree with some that it's kind of lazy but at least he plays with the past. Though it does irk me he has Hope becoming Gina, Adrienne dying and Bonnie returning (not confirmed?), Lani going crazy, Claire went crazy, Abby went crazy ... can we stop? I know some of them were boring before and crazy is always more entertaining but I can see why some are getting annoyed. He tossed Maggie off the bottle for all of 5 seconds (and she became the most entertaining she's been in two decades). And I'll always appreciate Gabi embracing her inner diva and bitch (I never thought I'd care for this girl but damn I enjoy watching her being a bitch). I was hoping beyond hope that Ron would turn her into Bitchy Bangs 2.0 and boy did he ever. Sometimes it works, other times it feels a little lazy like "they're boring" (remember how often he had Jessica on OLTL not herself ... I fear the same for Abby).

 

Nicole, who should be "crazy" (not really, but you know what I mean), is boring as [&#33;@#&#036;%^&amp;*] ...

 

And I know he's ReRon, but how many times can Julie be in the hospital? lol ... and how many times are we going to have the bitch of the month trying to kill Marlena for John (I'm guessing that's Gina job this go around). Hattie, Kristen, Diana, Gina ... I mean it plays to their history but I would like a little more for them ... maybe it will be?

I missed the show again yesterday. Or most of it, anyway. What did Rolf do to Hope?

On 10/10/2019 at 12:09 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

It's unfortunate that none of the P&G soaps got onto social media (YouTube specifically) in time.  YouTube, Facebook and Twitter were all around years before GL and ATWT got cancelled but sadly, they were still underutilized mediums by most, at least until about 2008-2009.

It would have been very popular with fans if they had!

On 5/27/2016 at 9:58 AM, London said:

Is anyone highly anticipating this new OWN drama coming in June and will likely be paired with, either on the same day or one after, The Haves & Have Nots... GREENLEAF! I'm loving the heavy hitters like Oprah and Lynn Whitfield... Keith David is also a favorite of mine growing up. This drama is NOT from Tyler Perry which I think is great because Oprah can get some other good and quality shows on her station and in her line-up. 

 

 

What season is this? We watched Season 1 & loved it. I just want to know if we're behind now.

On 10/5/2019 at 10:11 PM, P.J. said:

 

The way he tended to repeat his own stories. The first summer, Lily and Simon were stuck on an island. The next summer, it was Katie and Henry on the same island. (And I swear the summer after that, there was another "island" story...) Bringing back old characters with new personalities like Craig, Rosanna, Dusty (I'd add Brad, but that was Pissy). Writing every teen like an idiot. Giving stories that just weren't working a farce-like ending (Billy, Bonnie, Issac and Lisa (I think) spent like a month in Scotland in some bizarre excuse for a wrap up that included a dwarf and one of the Monkees, as I recall...) 

Well, now that you mention it, refreshing it in my mind, the Island Tales were sheer drudgery.

And, the time spent in Scotland wore me down.

On 10/5/2019 at 10:11 PM, P.J. said:

At the time, I remember there was a lot of bitching on various boards about Craig eating the f'in show. We counted---he was on 40 straight episodes at one point. 

Yikes! That was way too much Hunt Block!

18 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

 

I'm curious in what sense it fell apart. This is well after the expansion to 90 minutes and the spin-off of Texas, both of which are discussed as the beginning of the end. Was there a major change in the writing or in the cast that made the wheels come off?

AbcNbc247 was speaking of 1981 .... so, looking at other dates, Doug died May 1989 & Connie died Feb. 1993 ...

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Someone asked where the AW Bible is.

It is in the Publications Section of the AWHP. It's easy to find once you land in that section.

On 9/19/2019 at 6:33 PM, allmc2008 said:

Where is the AW bible?

NBC's Susan D. Lee was one of the handful of people who made the decision that Frankie Frame would be brutally murdered by a serial killer, Fax Neuman, written by Margaret DePriest. They had started out to kill off Donna as part of that "age thing" they were onto. Well, fans found out & pitched fits! JFP & Susan D. Lee then moved on to 2 mid-level actresses: Frankie Frame & Paulina. They held a focus group to see who would be chosen. As it turned out it was Frankie. Now, she was one of the Frame family that Harding "Pete" Lemay had written back in the day. And, she was married to Cass & had a child with him, Charlie. And, she was a P.I. with Joe. And, she was a very grounded person. Meanwhile, fans were against all of this! JFP tried to talk MdP into not having her killed dramatically onscreen but she wouldn't hear any of it. They went ahead with their murder of Frankie. Some fans left the show entirely.

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It really made no sense that NBC's Susan D. Lee gave Sunset Beach a 6 month extension when AW had better ratings. And, MADD had put AW on a deadline & then came back in the country just to cancel it before that deadline was up! (MADD aka Mickey was a network exec.)

Chris, like everyone at AW, openly wept at the end of the show.

A few months later Susan D. Lee was fired. My partner & I had a party!

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Paul Rauch was not a network Exec. He was an EP. And a noted one.

But, he did pull one stunt that maybe equates to a Network Exec's.

Rauch appeared at the end of the final episode of Santa Barbara on January 15, 1993. The final shot consisted of Rauch standing in front of the camera, smashing a cigar under his shoe, and walking away.

On 9/29/2019 at 5:35 PM, Donna B said:

While she was at it she tried to get them to make her the star appearing above Victoria Wyndham's name. Meanwhile Ellen Wheeler had been ready to come back in & play both parts for just ages! At the very end of the show she played a Marley who was taller than Vicky! Now, of course, Jensen has really screwed things up by having a serious accident & a DUI, etc.

 

 

 

 

And, before anything else happens, JFP fired Barbara Berjer for being too old, aka over 50. (Same for David Hedison.) I don't know how much it meant at GL for Barbara Berjer to be fired but at AW, she was always there to take care of Vicky's two boys!

On 10/9/2019 at 4:57 PM, Donna B said:

Wheeler left the role in 1986 and returned in 1988. ... "I felt that total connection to Jensen, the second I was back. I didn't even know her, so that's really weird. We had been parts of the same person. We had helped create the same people. A part of what I did influences how Vicky is today and part of what she did influences how my Marley is today, so it's an odd thing to say, but it gave us a common ground immediately."

I think that's so bizarre.