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I pretty much agree with everything you said Carl.Why Keemo has been ignored all these years is a mystery. Killing off Coleen,destroying Billy,having Jack marry Emily,Ashley marry Victor etc have been further nails in the coffin.
The Newman/Abbott war should have been put to rest until a new set of circumstances arise that put them back into each others orbit.- rather like Katherine and Jill who didn't have much involvement for a few years until Jill married John and the battle was renewed.
When MAB first started and we had the potpourri thread I proposed Keemo coming back and he and Dina working together.Keemo aligned with Dina as he felt rejected by Jack.Traci returned to GC as the turn to matriach.Have Jack involved in business/family affairs and lay off the romances and marriages for a while.
Billy/Mac should have played out with them realizing that they had grown apart and have Billy try to make things work with Chloe.
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Grant Cramer (Shawn/Adam) was afriend of the Bells.His mother is 40/50's actress Terry Moore who claimed to be married to Howard Hughes and who (I think) did get a payout because of it.
Adam flirting with Ashley in the lab reminded me of Ashley's first story when she worked in the lab with Brian. That story went nowhere also.
Talking Bill Bell,I often wonder where he would have taken the Abbotts and Newmans throughout the 2000s to today.
Not excusing the rubbish we see onscreen now,but it does get harder as the years go by to give vet characters and long running stories new twists to keep them fresh,
Imagine if the Brooks and Fosters had have remained throughout the 80's after their original stories wound down. We saw with Leslie/Robert how that worked out Would Lorie and Lance be remarrying ala Victor and Nikki? Would Greg be onto his 5th marriage?
.Bill Bell was smart and/or lucky enough to basically start with a clean sheet of characters when he brought in the Abbotts etc. and not face that problem.
Same with Days.He was basically gone and the challenge of writing interesting stuff for Bill/Laura,Doug/Julie etc once they were together was not his.
Re Salena- she was a smart ,dynamic woman played by a good actress, Not a lead but strong and believable as a cop.
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Once again thanx to Saynotyoursoap for taking the time to detail Irna's final storylines.
I believe Lisa was involved with Wally,the doctor/minister played by Charles Siebert,best known from Trapper John MD in the 80's.How serious did that relationship become?
Also,from what I can gather,Tom and Carol were friends of Peter and their story during this time (the happily married newlywed phase) was in support of them.
It seems this story and Amy Hughes are ignored in summaries because they had little effect on the continuing story.Those characters were there and gone within the year.
Maybe Irna's long term plan was to have Peter and Wally integrated into the canvas, She liked to tell adoption stories (Ellen/Dan,the premise of AWA).Seems her real life circumstance influenced her.
I know Kim was also introduced in 73 and her original incaranation was different to the long suffering heroine she became. Again, it would be interesting to know where Irna would have taken that character.
As regards Rosemary Prinz,I think I have seen articles from when she was on the show complaining about her character and soaps. What surprises me is that she stayed 13 years.
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I believe that marland wanted to keep Sara but CBS and/or P&G wanted the oldies out and Sara,Adam,Ed(Mart Huswit) and Barbara were written off.
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SOD synopses July 76
Mike is at Spence's cabin. From his position on the cot across the room, he observes Spence. Mr. Jeffers sits behind a small table loading a shotgun. His hands are shaking, he's perspiring and he has that nervous look of a man on the run. Mike observes this, and other things as well. He notices that behind the brash exterior there exists a very frightened man. Mike senses that he might be able to persuade Spence to give himself up. It won't be easy, but Spence is really not that certain about what he wants to do. He's just running scared and maybe, just maybe, he's now tired of running. Mike's hunch is correct. Spence is indeed tired of being on the run. He feels he's basically a good man who has just had a large dose of bad luck (first the man in the bar in Juneau and now, Leslie). He's really sorry about Mike's wife (he claims he didn't see her) as he is about the young man he killed in Juneau. Mike tells Spence that since his crimes weren't premeditated, the courts will probably go pretty easy on him. Mike gets through to Spence, and he agrees to return to Springfield and turn himself into the police. Before they leave the cabin, Spence tells Ann that Jimmy is alive. He left their son with David Rustin's family. They live in a small town, just outside of Juneau. Ann is overjoyed to learn that her son is alive.
Rita: Roger's Salvation?
Roger wants to give Peggy so much, but he can't, not with the burden of having to pay off all that money he owes Holly. After he's through sending her the monthly payments, he's left with very little to save. He needs a way out. But is there one? Yes... there certainly is. Roger suddenly remembers Rita... Rita and all that gorgeous money she owes him (while they were in Texas, they made a deal. Rita was to give him half of an inheritance she would soon be receiving). Better late than never, Roger thinks, as he dials Rita's number. He meets with Rita. She says she can't give him the money. She's been deluged with family problems (she's helping to pay her mother's hospital bills). Roger says he doesn't care about her problems. He just wants the money. She skipped out on him once before, and it's not going to happen again.
Dr. Ed Bauer sits in his office staring off into space. In his hand is a legal document from Holly's lawyer, stating that Holly's and his divorce will be final very, very soon. Judging from the look in Ed's eyes, it seems very obvious that he's having second thoughts about this divorce. He still cares very much about Holly and in recent days, it appears, they have been getting a bit closer. The brick walls they built around themselves are beginning to crumble. They've been touching, verbally, for the first time in months. During the last few days they've been sharing laughter and jokes, instead of more strained formalities. Ed now knows he has a difficult decision to make (to divorce, or not to divorce) -- and he only has till the end of July to make it!
This new closeness between Ed and Holly is also becoming quite obvious to their friends and family. Ed's mother, Bert, decides to give them a push in the right direction. She arranges a double birthday party for Ed and his and Holly's daughter Christina.
Rita gets a distressing late night phone call from her sister Evie. She can hear the quiver in her sister's voice as she says that their mother had another blackout spell. Rita makes a quick decision. She tells Evie to bring their mother to Springfield. She wants to have her admitted to Cedars Hospital.
Ann nervously stands by Mike's side as he dials David Rustin's telephone number. She can barely contain the anxiety and joy she is feeling. The moment she has waited for has finally arrived!! An can hardly believe it, but in a few seconds she'll be talking to her son Jimmy... Or will she?
Ann's stomach hits rock bottom when she hears Mrs. Rustin tell her that Jimmy is no longer living with them. He left home a while ago and they don't' know where he is. "But," Mrs. Rustin continues, "there's a good responsibility Jimmy hitched up with a boat and went out to sea. That's the one thing I remember most about Jimmy, his love of boats."
Guess Who's in Love?
Can it be? Can it really be happening? Can this super-independent Ms. actually be falling in love? Can Cupid's arrow actually have landed right smack in the middle of Rita Stapleton's heart? It's a loud, affirmative "Yes" to all of these questions!! Rita Stapleton is happily, glowingly in love... and the object of her affections... Cedars Hospital's chief-of-staff, Dr. Ed Bauer.
It's great to be in love, but not so great when the man you love is still married... and is now giving every indication that he might remain that way. Rita is not wearing blinders and she is quite aware of the rekindling of old feelings between Ed and his wife Holly. Rita's devious little mind goes to work, and she plots how to win this man for her very own. Let's hope Holly is up to sparring with the super-cool -- and quite attractive -- young woman.
Though her heart is filled with love, her mind is deeply troubled with the thoughts concerning her mother. Viola Stapleton is now in Cedars Hospital, undergoing a series of tests, that will hopefully put the finger on what is causing her blackout spells. Viola's doctor is the very capable Dr. Sarah Werner. Sarah tells Rita, and her younger sister, Evie, that so far they haven't been able to locate the cause of their mother's troubles.
Dr. Justin Marler, that esteemed heart surgeon (and possibly heart wrecker), has been trying very hard to reignite the fire that once burned between him and Sarah. It's not going to be easy. He can sense Sarah is still very attracted to him (her blush is obvious proof), but he also realizes she's very much in love with her husband.
It seems that Justin now feels he made the wrong choice. While they were in medical school together, Sarah advised him not to marry Jacqueline. She said it would be a mistake. But being a bull-headed son-of-a-gun, Justin didn't listen, and he went ahead and made that woman his wife. It comes as no surprise to Sarah to learn now (from Justin himself), that he and Jacqueline are divorced.
Time has become quite an important factor in the lives of two women in Springfield. Both Rita and Holly are watching the calendar rather closely. It's only two more days until Holly and Ed's divorce becomes final. While Holly ruminates, Rita plots. Holly knows she wants to try to make another go of her marriage. Rita knows that she has to make herself #1 in Ed's thoughts.
How does Rita handle the situation? Well, one way is to entice the young doctor by inviting him and his son, Freddie, for a swim at her pool, and then appearing before him in a rather skimpy bikini. It's quite an effective maneuver. Ed's eyes widen with delight as they gaze upon her luscious form.
While Rita and Ed take in the sun, Holly takes in her current situation... then makes a decision. She tells her mother, Barbara, that she's going to try to stop the divorce, but so far she hasn't been able to reach Ed, and let him know how she feels (Holly left word with Ed's answering service, but when the service located Ed at Rita's; Rita didn't tell Ed Holly called).
Ed and Holly finally do connect and they agree to meet the next day at his office. Holly arrives on schedule, but what she sees is something that causes an abrupt change in her plans. She catches Rita in Ed's arms and now knows Ed won't want to return to her -- he obviously has started a new life for himself.
What Holly doesn't know is that Ed was holding Rita out of comfort, not love. He was trying to ease her suffering after he told her that they discovered a cyst on her mother's brain and they have to operate.
Viola Stapleton comes through the surgery with flying colors. The cyst, which the doctors found to be benign, is successfully removed. Rita's mother can now look forward to a long and happy life.
It's a shame the same can't be said of Holly. At the same time that Viola is successfully pulling through surgery, Holly learns from Mike that her divorce is final. Upon returning to her home, Holly reflects on her loss and breaks down in tears.
To Pose or Not to Pose
Will Hope Bauer follow Ben McFarren's advice and rid herself of her inhibitions? Will she agree to pose nude in her art class? Surprisingly enough it seems as though the answer may be yes. Hope seems ripe and ready to shed her upbringing and become a freer person.
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Having Ashley marry Blade and then Cole was totally unnecessary.Those 'stories' which didn't really amount to much could have easily have played out in the context of a relationship rather than marriage and not made Ashley seem like such a bimbo by constantly marrying any man she got involved with.
Many characters have suffered the same fate due to the outdated view that marriage is the ultimate,yet characters go through marriages like kids in a candy store.
Seeing Ashley gushing about her latest marriage to Tucker was ridiculous.
Cole should have been written off after he & Victoria split.
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That role was played by Claire Yarlett (Bliss The Colbys) Pamela Saunders(Rita Mae LOV) and Deborah Rennard (Sly Dallas). She was a police psychologist.
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Bill Bell's 'suspense' stories were often not very well structured .He was no Henry Slesar in that regard.
Shawn/Lauren
Who Shot Victor?
Joshua/Veronica
George Rawlins/Cassie mystery
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Yes,is hard to keep track of everything that is discussed here. every so often I read back over the threads and find stuff I have forgotten.
Re SFT ratings on NBC
81-82 3.4
82-83 2.7
83-84 3.2
84-85 3.3
85-86 2.9
By the last season,I'm sure affiliates were dropping the show,so it was probably impossible for the show to build on ratings at that point.
Robert Lupone is a fine actor,but to cast him as a hero was a mistake. i think they were looking for a Tony Geary type but that was a one off thing that couldn't be replicated. AW made the same mistake by casting him as Neal Cory.
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Thank you so much for that information regarding Amy Hughes.That is something I have never seen detailed before.
According to old cast lists Irene Yah Lung Sun played Amy. In the late 70's she was on Love of Life as Kim,the lost love of Tony and an obstacle to Bambi and Tony's romance.
I believe that Wiliam Prince and Augusta Dabney played Mr and Mrs Parsons. Christopher Hastings was Peter,Eugenia Rawls was Grace and Laurie Heinemann was Marion Graham Burton.
What was Marion's connection to Peter and Grace?
When the Soderbergs took over what characters were dropped and introduced?
It seems Amy,the Burtons and Rick were dropped and Grant,Joyce,Giland Jay Stallings were introduced. Am I missing any?
Konrad Matthei was the first Grant.How long did he last? It seems odd he was cast as he had played Roy McGuire for a few years in the late 60's and surely viewers would still remember him.
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The problem with Joanna Lee's SFT was another round of character's were introduced with no real connection to what went before. Sometimes this can work,but more often than not,viewers are wary.
Re-introducing Tom and Danny was a good start,except the actors and story weren't strong enough. Gary and Laine's return should have happened-there was immediate story there as they shared a child. Maybe Sunny could have fallen for Gary,thus setting up a rivalry between sisters.
Patti could have returned at this time,divorced or widowed.
There were way too many Kendalls over the years Lloyd,Michael,Steve,Chase,Alec etc
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I wonder if Connie Ford had a partner? Wasn't there a rumor about her and Irene Dailey?
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That Judge Lowell pic is obviously from a few years earlier.
I always wonder about Ruth Warrick working in soaps in the 50's.She was never a huge movie star,but was the only one I can think of that went to soaps that soon. Did she need the money? Would her 'star' power given her a better contract?
Plenty of other movie actors did primetime in the 50's,but not soaps.
Or was she just happy to be working regularly in NY and earning a bit of extra cash?
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Gina (Amy Niles) was Ray's little sister who was involved in a summer teen storyline with Christy (Leah Ayres) and Wes (Woody Brown),Mia's brother. She took some pot at a party and slept with Wes and thought she might be pregnant.Ray played overbearing big brother throughout.
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Summary of SOD synopsis Jan 79
Sara and Professor McCauley draw closer but he refuses to talk about his upcoming operation.
Ray is upset to find Tony at the hospital questioning the staff about Bambi's condition. As Ray is footing Bambi's hospital bills,he feels he should be the one the staff report to. Ray realizes Tony is in love with Bambi.
Dr Jessup and Graham implore Ray to find Bambi's next of kin so they can go ahead with a much needed operation.Ray phones Des Moines high school principal for details on Miss Barbara Brewster.
Ray is told Bambi is the daughter of Rev Brewster,who still lives in town. As Ray was told by Rev Brewster he has no daughter,Ray decides to head to Des Moines to seek out the truth.
Arlene is fearful of Piedro's threats to her family.When Ray tells her he is leaving for Des Moines,she is terrified that Piedro may strike. Ray tries to calm her and suggests she and April stay with his mother while he is away.
Mama Gaspero is delighted to have Arlene and April Joy stay with her.
In an attempt to help Betsy,Tom meets with Ben to find out how things lay between Betsy and Ben. Ben doesn't take kindly to what he sees as Tom's interference.
Bambi's condition worsens.
Meg asks Bruce for a job at the campus and is shocked by his anger at what he sees as her taking advantage of his position. Meg tries to explain that she needs something to channel her energies into but Bruce feels it's just another flight of fancy from Meg.
Sara then takes Meg to task by acting on a casual comment by the Professor that Bruce will need staff. Meg retorts that once again,she is the bad girl who dared to upset the perfect husband of the perfect daughter.Meg storms off,leaving Sara to ponder how it always seems that she ends up siding against Meg.
Betsy opens up to the Professor about her history with Ben and he agrees that perhaps her moving back to England could be a good thing at this time.
The Rosehill Arrow sends a reporter to the restaurant to dig up juicy info on Bambi but Tony refuses to have Bambi's reputation sullied in any way.
Ray arrives in Des Moines to meet up with Rev Brewster,who denies any knowledge of a so called daughter.
Tom isn't pleased that Betsy is considering leaving town. He feels he should talk to Ben and get him to stop Betsy from running away .
Mama Gaspero hopes Arlene may be a good influence on her flighty daughter Gina.
Despite being impressed with Mia's sincerity in urging her to sort things out with Ben,Betsy is still determined to return to England.
Although with Betsy out of the picture,Mia knows she would have a clear path to Ben,she also realizes he doesn't really love her, She tells Ben that it's over between them.At first incredulous,Ben decides that this is for the best and it will give him a chance to take stock.
Bambi's condition stabilizes. Dr Graham hopes his'sleeping beauty' will soon awaken.
Reporter Muldoon finds it very interesting that Bambi was beaten up in her boss's office for no apparent reason.
The hospital staff are annoyed by the reporter's attempts to beat up a scandal about Bambi and worried that drawing attention to her will mean her assailant may try to finish her off.
Meg is delighted Mia is out of Ben's life. Now he can move home and she can devote herself to his welfare,
Ray visits the newspaper editor to try and find out more about Rev Brewster and Bambi.
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Yes please!!
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Lee just couldn't find the right girl...
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I don't recall seeing Bonnie Bartlett as Van before.
Carol was never brought back into the story.Maybe when Bruce and Van got together,her desire to re-unite with Carol could have been a good story for them.
Did this mag regularly do stories like this? Hope so,and that you have more !
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Vinnie got a job with a trucking company and met Millie Parks(Millee Taggart) who worked there. Unbeknownst to Vinnie, Millie was helping the mob by getting Vinnie to transport drugs across state lines without his knowing it. But soon Millie started to fall in love with Vinnie and found it impossible to hurt him. When Vinnie discovered the truth, he found he still loved her and asked her to marry him. Millie could not go through with the wedding and left town.
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Obviously Dubac didn't make much of an impression which is why Mantooth came back.
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Was it a lack of chemistry between Robin and the actor playing Jeff,or just a miscast badly written role? Perhaps Robin was so identified as Rachel that viewers were disappointed to see her being'nice'.