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I got Phaedra! How in the hell??????

Leeanne's official apology was very poor tho. "I'm sorry if I offended anyone...." She doesn't get it even after reunion, and that's a problem. I love Stephanie too and Kameron. Like you, I also enjoy Mama Dee (kind of like i wouldn't mind seeing Dale on NYC even without Tinsley). So i hope Dallas doesn't completely wipe the slate.

https://twitter.com/BravoWWHL/status/1204975031450771456?s=20 I know some will say "She's a bigot, she doesn't deserve your empathy," but as awful as she has been this season, I can't help but worry how she will deal with the backlash. It's clear Andy and Bravo will wash their hands of her. I believe Leeanne when she says she grew up feeling rejected by people, and this will be renewed rejection on a much bigger scale. I hope she has a support system around her. Bravo and Andy acting outraged and yet: this is the only SL on Dallas right now, people are talking about it, the show may even see a ratings bump because of it. ETA: Not condoning what she said at all. I think she should be fired for this. By the same token, Leeanne is a damaged person and I'm not sure she has the confidence or ego of a Jill Zarin who kept on Zarining even after she was booted from NYC.

NJ: It's early days but I am enjoying the season this far. Jennifuh has come in leaps and bounds from last year. Melissa is... better than she was 5 years ago. I still love Margaret and Dolores. And this episode I even started feeling for Jackie! Wrestling with an eating disorder makes her more human, and she's calmed down from trying to stir up controversy last year. As usual with NJ, the focus on the house-husbands and family lift this franchise and give it authenticity. Specifically Joe Gorga reacting to Joe Giudice's predicament, and Gia next week.

Yeah, I don't think Leeanne is going to come back from this one. Her issue with Kary has nothing to do with being Mexican, but she kept doubling down on "Mexican, Mexican" like it's an insult in of itself. Her insecurities and extreme self-absorption made the trip toxic. I don't know what she was thinking with the cameras there and her usually all about being a voice for the marginalised. Has the fame gone to her head? The cameras record everything, and this plays right into D'Andra's hands, who couldn't be more thrilled by all this. I honestly don't think we will see Leeanne back next season. Nooooo, not My Kameron! I love her.

@Chris B I had high hopes for Tinsley when she joined, and ofc I love Dayyyyyyle. But it's no big loss if she leaves altogether IMO. Kristin Taekman brought more drama than ole Tins. I'd have her, Heather and Jill back in a heartbeat. Saw a glimpse of the new RHONY HW at BravoCon and -- she seemed to have a high opinion of herself! And it wasn't even Scaramucci's wife! 😂 I wasn't all that impressed.

What is so interesting to me is this sudden onslaught of viral marketing about the upcoming season of BH. It reminds me of the viral marketing exactly this time last year. We had Rinna, Erika and Teddi doing social media victory laps, cackling "Ding dong the witch is dead!" This was before S9 had even started. And then we got a very weird, very fake, coldly impersonal, highly disappointing season. The whispers for weeks have been that the new season is a borefest. Then Rinna insinuates that the whispers emanated from Spectre Blofeld Putin LVP's camp. Now suddenly everything is "imploding," and Brandi is panting in excitement? Hmmm. I am going to watch S10 but.... I am suspicious about the authenticity of what we might see!

I'm a proud WIP (yes, I had to google this) at 45! I think I will always be a work in progress, because I never want to stop learning. See IA that Nene could do solid work outside of RH. But sometimes she can't get out of her own way. There was the show tour she did which ended abruptly after she insulted an audience member. Then there was (somewhat bewilderingly) Fasion Police, where she loudly complained to the tabloids that costars Brad and Giuliana weren't going out of their way to be friendly to her. I don't know how close she still is with Ryan Murphy, but he's hot in Hollywood right now, and he loves casting his regular faves in new anthrology series. I think she burned some showbiz bridges, and may no longer have the confidence to go for acting roles. The fact is, Hollywood expects her to play Nene all the time, and pull the faces and all that other hokey stuff. Also, maybe she likes the regular Bravo cheque? She does like to show that she spends. I wonder who Denise has been fighting with. Erika? Teddi? That yappy chihuahua Dorit? Brandi? I thought Brandi was Denise's close pal! Brandi is SO THRILLED by this turn of events, she can hardly stand it!

I feel where you are coming from 100%. Kenya crossed the line from her usual trolling to outright spite and tried to ruin somebody's business. Everybody was just kikiki-ing and saying: "Oh, that's just Kenya being Kenya." It took me back to Kenya's early seasons trying to embarrass Cynthia at her Bailey Studio events and going after Apollo. I found her completely hateful back then. And then I think back to when Marlo said that no wonder Kenya's mother didn't want her. It was so hateful that to this very day, I am glad Marlo does not have a peach. The highlight of the epi for me was Nene leaving the event without anybody noticing, and that trashpot Yovanna running after her and Nene growling to get her hands off the car window. Everything Nene did in this episode (and shouting at Andy Cohen on Insta) screams desperation to me. She knows ATL can live without her. The fact is, she actually cannot live without the HWs. It also struck me that Nene has no true friends. Marlo and Yovanna only put up with her because they are angling for a peach. The Fall of Heather that season was amazing to watch. I hadn't realized what a truly awful person she was until I saw how she plotted to gaslight Kelly. And for weeks after the bus ride, on her blog, she wrote "And this week you will finally understand why I acted the way I did on the bus!" And we never did! The whole thing just served to remind everybody how she and Tamra gaslit Shannon her whole first season, and gaslit Alexis right off the show. That fall was oh-so-well deserved. Shannon is a total mean girl and she knows exactly what Tamra is doing this season. It is in her interests to play dumb about Tamra, but she is as much behind all this as Tamra is. I will never forget earlier this season at some gym, the way Shannon and Tamra made Emily 'explain herself' and apologize to them for some imagined slight. The way Shannon looked at her was so mean. Kelly is definitely being horribly bullied by those two. Having said that, Kelly is borderline violent and threatening, and I find that extremely problematic. The audience is cheering her on because Tamra is literally THE WORST, but all that audience attention is going to her head and creating a monster IMO. She now thinks she is untouchable and can say -- or do -- anything.

Agree on all this. Personally, Kameron MADE the episode for me. She was hilarious with the diagrams, kind and the voice of reason the whole way through. Kameron would actually be great on BH, where her knowing, self-deprecating and genuinely funny sense of humor is oh-so-badly needed. Swear to God, when Kam walked into her room at the end of the night and Leeanne was waiting to pounce on the other side of the door with her terrifying "These Hands" voice, I was legit scared for her. 😂 Leeanne had me with Kary and D'Andra's nastiness, but lost me with the crazy possessiveness over Kameron. Did Leeanne say any racist stuff? I totally missed it, but woke RH Twitter seemed marginally mad about it.

What's sweet is that their two daughters got really close in the off season too.

Jackie is going for Dolores because she can't go after Teresa. T shut her down with that fangirl photo from Jackie's dark past as a Tre Hugger (lmaaaaaaao). Plus Melissa can't badmouth Teresa on camera with her new bestie like we know she is doing in private. So that convo isn't happening. I'm just surprised Jackie isn't going after Jennifuh.

@NothinButAttitude Rinna sounds pissed that she might actually have to work for her paycheck, instead of merely sitting back and throwing digs from her VTs as she has been doing the last two seasons. She might even --gasp-- have to host her own fancy event! Instead of piggy-backing on others' and making a scene because Kim was invited! It is a really different Rinna from earlier seasons. She always had a gameplan (and by gameplan, I mean targeting someone for relevancy). But she had a sense of humor too. Now she is all about the wigs and costumes, and there is a lot of bitterness/meanness underpinning her interviews. She has basically morphed into the humorless Erika (Rinna closely copying both her friends and her enemies is a post for another time -- there is not much originality left in her game). THAT is why the show is a bore, folks. And they say LVP holds a grudge? It's been about 5 years and Rinna still nurtures her beef with Kim and LVP! It's like she cannot rest until they are publicly obliterated. I guarantee both women will be mentioned multiple times by her during S10.

I'M NOT A CAHN WOMAN! I WAS CAHNNED! Seriously Vicki is the gift that keeps on giving this trip. And Kelly keeps saying "You know what happens to liars? They get sued!" What about people who threaten violence?

Plus Bravo juxtaposed it with this classic.

In our current economic landscape, one 'asset' I have noticed among a few unscrupulous multi-millionaires is not so much their ability to sniff out a good deal (clearly not in Mo's case --that property was built on a precipice!), but rather their ability to 'mitigate costs.' And by that I mean work the system so that somebody else covers the loss. That is where 'filing for bankruptcy' comes in. He could pay $5mn for this, but doesn't want to. Spare a thought for poor Gigi and Bella this Christmas, tho!

Yep, if I were Nene, I would be worried right about know. She is costing Bravo over $1 million per episode, and refuses to film with all but a 1 or 2 people who won't contradict her. Contrast that with Cynthia's BBQ and a roomful of 12 women -- HWs and FOHs -- who were shading each other while also laughing and commiserating together. Probably the best bit was everybody owning up to some of their truest insecurities -- something I could never see the current incarnation of Nene doing on camera.

Don't get me wrong, Leeanne is legitimately mad at Kary for trying to humiliate her. But I think she is unsure whether Kary formulated this plan or if D'Andra did and Kary was the enthusiastic cheerleader. She has already basically cut D'Andra out of her life, otherwise she would have invited her to the wedding. TBH, if Dallas comes back next season (which it should IMO), I wonder if D'Andra will even be asked back. Kary definitely won't. She is not popular among viewers at all. I would be sorry to see D'Andra go, for the simple reason that her story with Mama Dee is compelling, not to mention she is a hot mess! She is like a teenager emotionally in her inability to get up for work. Her reliance on mommy's money. Her sense of entitlement. Her irrational jealousy of the queen bee. The way she simultaneously rejects and yearns for Leeanne's friendship. That is some toxic high school ish right there. Re: Marlo, ITA she lost her fashion touch in S9-11. She get mired in some sexy/trashy theme dressing, and it made her look cheap/all about logos (i.e.: Erika Jayne/Dorit style dressing). Also, it didn't help that we learned nothing about Marlo the person. She was only there to stir the pot and say awful things about Kenya. It made her look bad, and I for one am pleased to see a different side to her because she actually sounds like she her a wise head on her shoulders. Having her interact with Kandi and Cynthia has helped. And she is back to dressing flatteringly for herself. Shiva left Mohamed??? I never knew that. Shocked but not shocked. She saw the writing on the wall. Yolanda also got a new man this summer, a 'wealthy businessman,' so she does not have to rely on Mo's handouts for a little while. Oh, definitely declaring bankruptcy of his real estate company was a financial decision -- he did not want to shoulder the full write-off of tearing that ridiculous house down, so that's why he filed. And I suspect Mohamed won't be moving out of his own mansion anytime soon to pay for this.

Mohammed Hadid has filed for bankruptcy: https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/mohamed-hadids-company-files-bankruptcy-judge-orders-mansion-demolition-11239010/

@Taoboi dont apologise! Management did you wrong, rewarding this idiot for bullying behaviour and mediocrity, basically! I can see why the episode was triggering for you, and I am so glad you are moving on to bigger and better things where you can be appreciated for the work you do, full-stop. Your story reminded me of back in the day doing the groundwork on a project, shaping it into a proposal... only for it to be given to one of the good ole boys to stick his name on it! My next project was running to the pharmacy to get some bunion cream for my boss's chronic bunion problem! Because that's all women are good for, right? I was seething, but I stuck with that job for many months longer because at the time I didn't really have the confidence in my own skill set. I am looking forward to this week's Dallas epi. IA that Leeanne can be very clear and focused in explaining herself, but I think Kary and D'Andra's very obviously planned takedown pushed her over the edge. Will wait to see if she doubles down on her words or recognises what she said in the cold light of day. Also, I think it's interesting that her anger is targeted at Kary. It's almost as if her longtime ex-BFF D'Andra does not exist. Now, re ATL and Eva! No, you are not seeing Eva the Diva again (and believe me, I watched ANTM back in the day). You are seeing Eva the Cowardly Lion who cannot even confront Marlo on what she said. What kind of RH is that?? Btw, my breakout star thus far on ATL has, I hate to admit it, been Marlo. She is a voice of reason with Nene and doesn't back down when Nene tries to blowhorn her down.

RHONJ seems to be ticking along nicely. Margaret coming right out and talking about her lawsuit / declaring bankruptcy basically shows all the other franchises how it's done. Be open and matter-of-fact right away. Why am i enjoying messy Jennifuh? Because she has a sense of humor about herself. I am warming to Jackie at times, but she has zero sense of humor about herself. She is fine laughing at someone else, but anything directed at her and the joke is over. A lot of this must be tied up with how tightly wound she is, as Dolores pointed out. Also she is trying to be the Dorit Fashionista of Jersey which is LOL. It is crazy how poorly Teresa comes across on the show. I just saw clips of her BravoCon events and, wow, the audience adores her. She talks directly to them. She is charming, funny, open, chatty and expresses herself so confidently.

I want Tamra to get her comeuppance this season, but when she said Kelly is only as smart as the last person she spoke to... 😀 When you're right, you're right! Kelly is dumb as [!@#$%^&*]. And a thug. I hate that she is suing people to intimidate them into silence. I don't know how she can possibly stay on RHOC if she is suing Shannon and Tamra. Why isn't Bravo shutting these suits down? Vicki got the smackdown, but Candiace and now this sniffle-nosed idiot can sue their co-stars at will?

We have not even seen him on the show yet! Potomac cannot start soon enough! Monique's daughter Milani is totally her mini-me. I think she is adorable and quietly steals the show when she is in a scene with her family.

There was a lot about MAB's tenure which was watchable. After the damage wrought by LML, MAB's first year in charge was IMO pretty solid. She brought back the background music and signature Y&R style that LML phased out. She also tried to write some exciting SLs after LML's borefest. You could tell the character of Phyllis interested her. I will always remember one scene where Phyllis found out about Sharon and Nick's affair. She broke into Sharon's hotel room, scrawled "I hate you" on Sharon's mirror, then looked at herself in the mirror and saying aloud "I hate you too." However, [!@#$%^&*] went haywire. MAB started running out of ideas, and she panicked and started looking to TV and film for ideas. Her pastiches were very obvious and not well done. She relied too heavily on shocking deaths (Diane, Colleen's HEART!!!!!!), doppelgangers and stunt Primetime casting. One of the worst messes (besides killing off Colleen to provide Victor Newman with a heart transplant) was bringing back Philip III alive -- and writing such a horrendous mess of nothingness that they hastily bundled Philip offscreen, never to be seen again. For me, a longtime viewer of Y&R, this was sacrilege. Philip III was a *HUGE* part of Y&R back in the mid-80s. Amazingly flawed, vulnerable, soft-hearted and shy, this was a male legacy character unlike any I had ever seen on soaps. The decision to kill him off impacted the canvas dramatically back in the day. To make the decision to bring him back without a really good story in place was torture to watch. People cheered when she got fired, I did too, but now I look back on her Y&R with a little nostalgia. It was rarely boring!

Finally caught up with ATL. Bravo should be sued for false advertising! They gave the impression we would see the Nene/Cynthia interaction on the float, but then they ended the episode at that exact moment from the teaser! I must say, it made me giggle seeing RHOP Gizelle on the float look up longingly at the ATL and NYC HWs on the upper tier. Nene has not changed. Spiritual journey? It is still the same complaining, the same passing-the-buck. It is always somebody else's fault, she is always the victim. To paraphrase Kandi from back in the day, her attitude remains as stank as it was back in S5, after the Apprentice fame went to her head.