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16 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

This is a gem that some kind YouTuber reposted...it had been taken down long ago and I so enjoy rewatching it. Sally vs. Sheila in 1996: Sally swaggering in on Sheila's abuse of Stephanie, becoming her surprise protector, the very beginning of the Sally/Stephanie friendship. I'm only sorry they never had Sally get into a catfight with Sheila - my money would have been on Mustang Sally. 

 

Darlene is so menacing at the end - absolutely fabulous.

I remember the Stephanie mercury poisoning storyline. I was not expecting Sally to become Stephanie's defender.

Bill Bell casting Darlene Conley as Sally and building a family/business around her breathed new life into the early years of B&B.

Before Neil and Malcolm, there was Tyrone and Jazz Jackson.  Bill Bell took a few elements from the Jackson brothers and used them for the Winters brothers.

What a treat it is to rewatch Shemar Moore's first episodes 

Thanks YRfan23 :bighug

The Italian Y&R episodes kept the original background music. From what I've seen of Italian B&B, the background music was changed.

Heads up for those who have GSN, Catherine Hickland will be on Monday and Tuesday's episodes of $25,000 Pyramid. She was on one of the episodes from this past Friday and was really good at playing the game.

9 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

I still don't get it, all those 70s/early 80s ABC stuff and ATWT/GL but nothing for Y&R :/

I know. So much of the 1980s I would love to see in its entirety but it looks like it won't happen unless CBS/Sony decides to launch a streaming service or release some DVD compilations.

On ‎9‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 7:17 PM, YRfan23 said:

I don't know why I'm not as invested with the first 2 years of B&B like I am starting with like 1989ish, but I wish I had gotten to see some of the earlier 87-88 stuff (besides the first full week) ....I think some full episodes use to be around of 1988.

Well 1989 is when the Spectra gang arrived, maybe that's what drew you to B&B LOL

The early years do resemble 1970s Y&R a lot. I used to equate pre-Sheila B&B as being practically identical to pre-Victor Y&R; the character and storyline similarities are numerous. But B&B does come into it's own around 1990, as by then Bill Bell figured out which characters were working and which weren't.

Thanks YRfan23

22 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

But GL actors didn't start even getting nominated until Zaslow's first nomination, which looks like '92. Sad that so many actors around that time were overlook and never nominated. Weird that Mart Hulswit, Chris Bernau, or Don Stewart were never nominated. Just odd. 

It wasn't just GL that was ignored in the early years of the Daytime Emmys, it was a good chunk of the CBS lineup. I've seen lists of Daytime Emmy nominees and winners over the years, and GL didn't get any acting nominations until 1984. Even Y&R didn't get acting nominations until 1984 and As the World Turns got their first acting nominations in 1981. CBS's only acting Daytime Emmy wins from 1974-1981 were from Search for Tomorrow.

Thanks for the correction

I believe YRfan23 posted some episodes from late June/early July 1989 a while back. The main storyline in those episodes was Cricket's rape.

6 hours ago, SFK said:

Wasn't there a cousin Oliver named Little T or something in the final season(s)?  

You mean 3J, who was played by Orlando Brown. He is better known for That's So Raven.

I loved Family Matters BITD but a revival wouldn't be the same without Estelle and Myra. As we all know, Rosetta Lenoire and Michelle Thomas are no longer with us.

Thanks YRfan23

You got the episode with Chloe's birth. I remember you posted another Summer 1990 episode with her as a newborn.

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 6:21 PM, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

I'm sorry but Zaslow could've read a manual and still should've won every year he was nominated. Him and Bev should've won for the country club scenes. 

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 7:06 PM, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Still boggles my mind how many of GL greats in the early 90s didn't get the respect they deserved. 

GL got a few acting Emmys from 1991-1993: Rick Hearst, Maeve Kinkead, Ellen Parker, Monti Sharp. I agree, there were some glaring omissions though as far as nominees and winners go. 

It is criminal that Beverlee McKinsey was never nominated for her work on GL. The 1991-1993 lead actress races were rather weak IMO and she could've easily won at least one Emmy in that period. Even the lead actor races from 1991-1993 were rather weak IMO. Another GL Emmy robbery was Maureen Garrett but the years she was nominated in supporting actress (1991, 1992, 1994) the competition was tough and for whatever reason she wasn't nominated in 1993.

57 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

When I think of lead actors on GL during that time, I think of Zaslow, VerDorn, Simon, and Clarke. 

Michael Zaslow should've had more lead actor Emmys than the one he got. He was nominated four consecutive years (1992-1995) and won once (1994). His 1992 nomination and 1994 win were GL's firsts in the lead actor category.

Some comments on YT clips of the 1994 Daytime Emmys said GL submitted not very good reels for Michael Zaslow in 1992 and 1993 but they got the 1994 submission right.

The Acapulco episodes should've gotten him a nomination and maybe win in 1991, and the post-country club confrontation with Alexandra should've gotten him a win in 1992.

17 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Rewatching all these episodes from '91 too makes me livid that they didn't go with Mallet/Mindy instead. As I keep saying, KS' Mindy and MD's Mallet had IT. Yes, pairing Mindy with Nick was great b/c of Mindy v. Alex, but God I would've loved for Mindy and Mallet to have been together instead of him being tossed Harley. 

From rewatching the beginning of JFP's run, we can see Mark Derwin being added to the Friend of Jill list; I believe she brought him to One Life to Live when she was there in the late 1990s. I didn't think that much of Mark Derwin's acting when he was on Y&R, but on GL he ended up becoming a lead actor Emmy nominee as well as winning a Soap Opera Digest award for hottest male star (and he beat Antonio Sabato Jr. for that particular award IIRC).

JFP must have known something we didn't when she set up Nick/Mindy and Mallet/Harley as VI/KS and MD/BE were together eventually in real life.

15 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

At least the show was well-written in 1991.

The ratings went up during the 1991/92 season, but as we all know the movement upward didn't last.

Maybe it's me, but I've always gotten the feeling that it was H. Wesley Kenney that laid all the groundwork for Y&R's rise to #1 but Ed Scott ended up getting all the credit. 

10 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

The early ‘90s was a tough period for Jeanne at YR, because besides this KL incident, she felt that Ed Scott wanted her off the show. During this time period, she met Doug Marland (ATWT head writer), who said he would create a new role on his show for Jeanne, and she could work again with Terry who was on the show.  Jeanne said yes, because working in New York City with a legend like Doug and her old friend Terry sounded like a dream. But Doug soon after died of a heart attack.  She always wondered what could have been.

9 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

I would've loved to have seen Jeanne on ATWT. Her and Liz Hubbard in a scene would've been a hoot. I wouldn't've been surprised to see her on GL during that time too, as she always said that if she weren't on Y&R, she would've loved to have been on GL. 

 

I think a good chunk of the 1990s weren't very kind to Jeanne/Katherine, I'd say from the end of Kay/Marge until the estate battle. Jeanne even ranted to the soap press some time in the mid-1990s, when Nick/Sharon became the focus. Considering that, I wasn't surprised to read that she almost left in 1993. Had Jeanne gone to As the World Turns, I'm pretty sure she would've been connected to Terry Lester's Royce somehow. 

8 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Thanks for sharing all this! Some juicy stuff! 

 

Ed Scott just sounds like a very shady person....VR snapped at him once because he apparently tried to encourage the women on the show to have some laser surgery on the eyes because it would have "improved the lighting" during their scenes...

 

thats very sad how the early 90s were rough on her, and dealing with Ed And Melody Scott's B.S.....Katherine was really just a talk to, by the time she remarried Rex, I can't imagine how she felt when they killed Rex off.

Between Jeanne's and EB's memoirs, and VR's "novels", we can compile a chart of who's had beef with whom LOL.

MTS was the queen of game shows in the 1980s and 1990s. She was on $25,000/$100,000 Pyramid, Tattletales, Body Language, Family Feud, Now You See It, The Price is Right, Jeopardy. The one game show I don't remember her appearing on is Wheel of Fortune. 

In the early days of YT (2006-2010 or so) there was a good amount of 1980s/1990s Y&R and B&B. 

You might get lucky and find some dubbed/subtitled episodes that were posted then and have managed to still stay online.

Bill Bell used elements of the Katherine/Phillip/Jill and Liz/Stuart/Jill storylines for the Eric and Brooke storyline. 

From what I remember, Eric and Brooke decide to start their relationship during their dinner (that's what's being set up in the episode above) and the actual affair begins at Big Bear sometime in March, resulting in Brooke becoming pregnant with Rick.

I wonder if Bill Bell's original intention was for Eric and Brooke to be involved, or was the story changed to accommodate KKL's pregnancy.

DRW50, thank you for posting the 1990 episodes. The first five years are such a rare treat.

By 1990 Bill Bell had figured out which characters were working and which weren't. The Spectra gang became more prominent, while the Logans were phased out by early 1991.

Kristen and Mick were gone not long after these episodes, I think in March sometime. I remember Teri Ann Linn returning for a few episodes in 1992, 1993, 1994 and that was it.

Do you think Kristen could have been a viable character in the 1990s had a stronger actress played her? There was a SOD headline in 1996 that B&B was attempting to recast Kristen with Melissa Reeves but as we all know, nothing came of it. 

On ‎8‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 6:12 AM, RestlessDuncan said:

In Italy Y&R had diehard fans, but it was treated so badly by Mediaset (the groups of channels that aired the show). 

From 1983 to 2009 they were shown: US Episodes from autumn 1979 to march 1986; from november 1989 to december 1993; from november 1998 to january 2007. In the summer of 1987 it briefly aired in primetime.

So Italy skipped most of 1986, all of 1987 and 1988, most of 1989, all of 1994 through 1997, and most of 1998? You were spared the focus on Cricket in the late 1980s, the focus on Nick/Sharon in the mid-1990s, and that lull period of Fall 1996 through the first half of 1997, but you missed a few good storylines as well.

On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 2:19 AM, Aback said:

 

Nothing. The show got canceled in 2007 in Italy lol

On ‎7‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 2:59 AM, Elsa said:

The show was canceled here in Greece several years ago. We are too poor to afford US soaps these days. 

What was the last storyline that aired before cancellation? If the ending was 2005 or earlier episodes, then you were spared LML, MAB, JFP, Pratt.

Maybe it's me but I always got the impression that B&B is a bigger draw in most of Europe than Y&R.