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I know Tony and Megan had their fans and I recall Jones and Bontatibus had chemistry but Jay B, may he RIP was also probably too old be playing Tony. Scotti probably was too but ya know gay men never look their age 😂 Regardless I feel like Tony still would’ve been killed off even if Scotti was in the role. Or at the very least Tony and Megan written off into the sunset in early 2000. Despite the buildup Tony and Megan’s forbidden young love arc was quickly eclipsed by the start of Billy and Mac. Also characters like Cole, Grace, and Callie were all written out around the same time period making room for the even younger Glo by Jabot teen set

Scotti was hot for sure!! Regarding his exit, this quote comes from the entertainment gossip section of the San Francisco Chronicle dated 12/21/98: Nick Scotti, the heartthrob of "The Young and the Restless," will soon leave the show, much to his fans' dismay. Scotti, who starred in the feature movie "Kiss Me, Guido," tells Soap Opera Weekly, "I would like to have stayed on, but I have pressuring agents; they want me to do films" Unfortunately he never had a film career take off and just disappeared in the late 00’s.

@kalbir Oh wow thanks I didn’t even notice the 1/4/96 episode there at #39, I had mainly saved these ratings because I was curious how how the show fared when it was returned to its stomping grounds for the 1/7/96 episode. What’s also insane to me is after looking through some of the 95-96 weekly ratings is that for multiple weeks on end MSW still performed higher in the crappy Thurs night slot that it’s Sunday night replacements Cybill and Almost Perfect. Meanwhile none of Cybill’s Monday night replacements worked at all. Moonves really blew up a schedule for nothing it’s too bad he wasn’t fired right then and there. And now I have the image in my head of Jessica Fletcher standing at the pearly gates of heaven being the one to deny Moonves entrance as she reads off his many sins 🤣

@kalbir 30 years ago this week in 1996 CBS let MSW air and episode in its old Sunday night timeslot and I’m guessing that its ratings probably caused Les Moonves head to spin:

Thanks @Paul Raven for the explanation. I wonder Our House would have done a much better job is a more visible timeslot. Perhaps 9PM on Wednesdays to have it pared with the family friendly Highway to Heaven? NBC sitcoms in that hour struggled.

Oh maybe it was the soccer coach I was thinking about. And my bad the character Nina dated for a few months was Brett Nelson not Greg the actor or the AMC character lol. I do remember the soap press made it know that Greg Lauren was related to Ralph Lauren. Also the only other thing I had to point out was Michael Damian was long gone by this point but still in the opening credits. (His final scenes complete with Christine’s final rejection and disgust of him in July was very hilarious to me at the time.)

After doing some digging I think that TV Guide mention of Our House at #14 for the first half of the 86-87 season was either a fluke, misprint, or maybe someone at TVG was a big Deidre Hall fan Lol? Because this doesn’t mention Our House at all:

@YRfan23 Was rewatching that 1998 episode…Nina’s internet date Kyle…wasn’t he supposed to have been the one to have molest Little Phillip/Chance or was that the Greg Nelson character? Or another character I’m thinking of? Definitely not my Dean & Troy that’s for Looking back now I kind of hated Nina just fizzled her last couple years as a regular on the show. Odd Alden struggled to write for Nina. I feel like if Bell had been still writing and in good mind, Nina having an a successful internet date with a new character could’ve opened further story development.

💀💀💀 Knots actually did try one more time for a conspiracy thriller with the Okmin Industries story in Season 11 but that story doesn’t ever make any sense whatsoever even when I tried to follow it closely other than I realize now they did recast the evil shadowy James Bond villain who was running Okmin and barking orders to Tom Ryan. But then it turned into as @DRW50 would say Mac screaming “DIRTY COP!” every scene and the deus ex machina of Greg realizing Okmin was some secret subsidiary of the Sumner Group had the whole thing end of a whimper. Which was even more silly than the pointless conclusion of the Ted Melcher arc.

I believe I first became aware of the fact that FC’s future was kind of up in the air at the end of S7 due the budget expensiveness and blowout along with the declining ratings from an article I read on filming the finale, I believe I may have shared here several pages back (may need to go dig it up again). The S7 finale certainly has series finale written all over it with enough ambiguity that we know life at FC will continue i.e. Angela’s evil laugh at Melissa “I’ll be back” along with the possibility of Chase being alive. Had the show ended in 1988, a reunion movie a year or two later could’ve easily tied up any loose ends (Angela and Melissa settling their feud, Maggie finding both Richard and Chase alive) I wish they had hired Ladd back for the series finale—it would have been funnier had Emma just barged with a fussy baby Angela in tow. I definitely agree with the Jeff Wainwright story was awful and disturbing. The whole rape retcon was terrible. Actually it’s downright disgusting how the material is treated made even worse by the Melissa kidnapping plot later on and none of it holds up well. In fact it’s downright embarrassing to watch. They could’ve easily had Wainwright arrested and jailed for good and maybe make a brief appearance later when Wainwright is revealed to be Carlton Travis’ son.

Fixed it for you my friend!

Thanks @DRW50 glad you figured out how to link this one. I wish the show had just let Foxworth leave/die like he wanted to at the end of S5 to spare us from Chase’s S6 storyline. The show could have easily still done Maggie’s pregnancy but without the Wainwright stuff, just have Angela be meddling as she sees a new Gioberti heir to raise and groom.

Thanks @DRW50 Speaking of that lol here’s a newly surfaced promo from 2/8/87:

Wow at Our House showing up on this list I was under the impression it was a flop from the get go due the shaky timeslot (7PM/6PM on Sundays).

Found this little nugget of information. Apparently a fan in the spring of 1988 wrote to request a photo of Margaret Ladd. In addition to the photo, he received a photocopy of Margaret's letter. Dear Fans, I thought I'd better sit down and write a quick note before spring fever takes complete control of me. It's absolutely gorgeous here. The weather is warm, the air is full of fra- grance, and everyone is heading for the beaches. * As I've mentioned before, FALCON CREST is at several different stages throughout the world, making it impossible to keep you updated on the current situations and events on and off the set. I can let you know that the networks are not sure they are going to renew FALCON CREST this year. If they do, they are going to drop many of the regular cast members from the show. They are also considering changing the format from a continuing saga to a regular one hour episode in which an individual story is started and finished each week. I think this will detract from the show. What do you think? I believe that they will probably only keep Angela, Richard, Maggie, Melissa and Lance as regulars on the show, which saddens me, be- cause I've grown to love Emma and my television family. I've asked my fans in the United States to write the producers and writers and show their support for Emma. Just a simple note to let them know that you, the fans, love her character and would hate to see her go. I could certainly use your help.. If you have a moment would you drop a line to Jeff Freilich and Joanna Brough at both of the addresses be- low? I would truly appreciate it. Thank you! C.B.S . c/o Falcon Crest 7800 Beverly Blvd. Los Angeles, Ca. 90036 Weird someone was considering changing the format of the show to be an even more episodic, considering the short multi-arc format Freilich and Co. tried out in S7 causing the the show to go off the rails (and blow out the budget). As for poor Margaret, she only lasted the first 10 episodes of S8 before being written out, although was brought back for the season finale. And of course we all know what happened to Melissa. I get Brough, the returning Stern & Black and the rest of the new S8 team wanted to return FC back to its roots or back down to Earth, but they totally went about it the wrong way ie killing off Melissa, still trying to resolve loose ends with the Thirteen plot, Richard’s plotting against Angela etc.

Happy New Year’s to you as well @slick jones!!

Thanks @Soapsuds It’s funny to me that 5 of my favorite would also be favorites of Women 50+ 🤣 I vaguely recall Spencer…something insane must have happened for all that all that BTS drama to occur with Chad Lowe abruptly quitting and getting recast. I remember It’s Your Move a lot more. Apparently other than a sole interview a few years ago Lowe has largely avoided ever talking about it.

Wow this 1998 episode just looks absolutely gorgeous and much much better than modern Y&R. It’s just hearing the old scores that makes me so nostalgic. I honestly felt like I was back ‘98 again as every story just rushed back into my head, whether it’s Jill vs Kathrine, the divorce with Diane, Victoria/Cole/Ashley, Tricia/Megan etc.

Shades of what happened to Falcon Crest 1988-1990 all over again. Michael Filerman meddling, bringing in EP’s/writers lacking soap experience (John Surnow of Miami Vice and The Equalizer for FC, John Romano of Hill Street Blues and yes Cop Rock lol for Knots. How did Romano convince Filerman and/or Jacobs he was a Steve Bochco prodigy again?), killing off popular vixens (Melissa on FC, Linda on Knots), the shows littered with new characters with zero potential and who no one cared about, character damaging plots (ie Richard kidnapping and gaslighting Angela, Claudia being responsible for Steve’s death), and desperate rewrites in vain to correct course. All of that should have been easily fresh on the minds for the Lorimar crew, but it’s obvious from that Entertainment Weekly article in April ‘91 celebrating the 300th episode Jacobs and crew didn’t think it would happen to them and were above. Ann Marcus really had her work cut out for her trying to salvage the back half of S13. Oddly @Chris B history would repeat we discussed this before but after Party of Five made the EW cover, guess who was hired as the new EP the following season? John Romano, to uneven and abysmal results during that show’s penultimate season. I’m glad S14 at least wrapped up everything, but it often feels more than anything else like a love letter to S11-13 with other old references thrown in and Diana’s return. I mean I was fine Tom Ryan being back, but we also had Nick and then also Vanessa for what superfluous reason. The fact that Nick and Abby had some kind of history was a bit unbelievable (but then again Abby did once have an affair with Richard).

Wow had no idea they had Jack Lord film a new pilot especially since he was pushing 60 by that point. Interesting thing regarding the Waltons, after it’s episode run concluded CBS debuted the Norman Lear & Alex Haley period drama Palmerstown USA in the Waltons slot as a mid season replacement and did moderately in ratings while receiving acclaim. In fact it ranked #38 ahead of the Waltons for the 79-80 season. Unfortunately the tank job occurred when Palmerstown returned for its 2nd season. The strike delays meant the Waltons were still its longtime traditional Thurs slot at 8/7, so CBS haphazardly had Palmerstown air against Happy Days and Laverne & Shirley and the show bombed and promptly cancelled.

Wow! Thanks for the heads up on this. Now I’m literally about to do the same thing with rest of them.

Oh I didn’t even think of looking out KL after purchasing all of FC. How much is the complete series?

Have we brought up Gregory Harrison yet and him being a one hit wonder? He first was the star of the Logan’s Run TV adaption but it flopped. Then obviously his biggest (and only?) hit and role was in Trapper John MD. After that, it seems like he just had a lengthy series of misses. We all know about a failed 1989 pilot which lead for his role on Falcon Crest’s final season, but after FC ended he was immediately given a new sitcom The Family Man. It failed miserably and was cancelled after one season. Then CBS again with New York News and as we mentioned in the 90’s ratings thread it also flopped badly. A thankless brief role on Sisters. Then in 1999 he had a cute little family drama on The WB with Rue McClanahan as his mother called Safe Harbor. Interesting premised and I watched but it too quickly failed. After that seems like Harrison was only doing cable movies like the Au Pair series or the First Daughter/First Target/First Shot trilogy on TBS. He had a couple recurring gigs on One Tree Hill and Chesapeake Shores later on but nothing substantial. I didn’t see too many kind words about GH run here at SON lol and seems like he’s back doing Hallmark movies.

@kalbir Interesting find there!! CBS had a solid Thursday night there for a good 3 seasons or so, but the increased competition from ABC lead to both the Waltons and Hawaii Five-O falling out of the Top 30. The 78-79 season had the Waltons at #37, HF-O at #44, and Barnaby Jones at #26. To exacerbate HF-O’s ratings woes, both the actors who played Danno and Fong quit, so the last season or featured new cast members (including Sharon Farell). The changes didn’t work, and it also seems a bit goofy to me that a show like HF-O crossed over into 1980. The HF-O day and time move reeks more of sabotage than a tank job. Barnaby Jones seems more of a tank job but was probably performing more solidly than HF-O. The show had seen a bit of a revival by adding in Barnaby’s nephew as Ebsen was getting up there in age but was on the decline by this point as CBS Thursdays weakened further as a whole in the fall of ‘79. Based on the 1979-80 ratings we have, The Walton’s ended up at #42, Barnaby Jones at #48, and Hawaii Five-O at #74. Our shiny new show Knots Landing ranked in tied at #29.

Happy 46th Anniversary to Knots Landing!