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Thanks @Franko ! The IMDB rating for “Between Two Brothers” is only a 5.4 LOL must have left a lasting negative impression. Taken aback to see Schneider in a dramatic role too.

Thanks @Soapsuds and @Paul Raven FC hadn’t aired the previous week and with the show still being somewhat episodic outside of the Jason mystery I imagine some probably felt like they could skip a week if it didn’t look interesting as the show didn’t do an exactly sufficient follow-up to the season high episode that first featured Lana Turner as Jacqueline. Ouch at Chicago Story. Like I mentioned earlier the idea of a 90 min drama, on Saturday night no less, was absurd. Here’s what happened on the soaps that week: Knots 3/11/82: Val writes a journal about the Ewings of Dallas for an assignment. Without her knowledge, Abby shows it to Karen's brother Joe, who believes that it is good enough to be published. Laura leaves Richard. Dallas 3/12/82 J.R., through his manipulations, dupes Cliff into spending millions on a phony land deal. Farraday meets with Bobby and wants money and a ticket to Rio while Cliff proposes marriage to Sue Ellen. Lucy leaves Southfork for a few days, hoping to resume her life with Mitch. Instead, she runs into a belligerent Roger. FC 3/12/82: Angela sets out to destroy Melissa Agretti's budding romance with Cole. Chase and Maggie persuade Julia to take Emma to apsychiatric clinic, but Angela stops Julia with the truth about Emma killing Jason Gioberti. Note that is also Ana Alicia’s debut episode as Melissa replacing the forgettable first actress. Dynasty and Flamingo Road didn’t air that week. Knots came in at #28. Here’s the full week that has just surfaced as well

Nielsen TV ratings report for the week of March 8-14 1982: ABC wins Nielsen race again NEW YORK (AP) "Dallas" was the No. 1 show in the week ending March. 14, but ABC had five of the 10 highest rated programs, and won the networks' competition for the second straight week, figures from the A.C. Nielsen Co. showed. ABC now has been No. 1, or tied for first, in the three-way race three times in the last five weeks. CBS continues to dominate for the season so far, and has won the competition 16 times in the 23 weeks of the current TV year. "Dallas," first in the ratings for the 10th time this season, had a rating of 27 to 26.4 for the second-place show, ABC's "Night of 100 Stars," a three-hour special taped at New York's Radio City Music Hall. Nielsen says the rating for "Dallas" means in an average minute of the show, 27 percent of the nation's homes with TV were tuned to the CBS program. CBS' "60 Minutes," No. 1 in the ratings a week ago, was third. ABC's rating for the period was 18.5 to 17 for CBS and 13.9 for NBC. The networks say that means in an average prime-time minute during the week, 18.5 percent of the television -equipped homes in the country were watching ABC. ABC's newly introduced Hooker" was the week's top-rated new series, in 11th place, with "Falcon Crest" on CBS No. 17. ABC was moderately successful with a theatrical film, "Coma," in 23rd place, NBC less so with "The Wild Geese," a TV premiere, No.30. NBC had the six lowest-rated programs, beginning with a movie, "The Great American Traffic Jam," in 60th place, and followed by "Barbara Mandrell and the Mandrell Sisters," "One of the Boys," "Chicago Story," "NBC Magazine" and "McClain's Law." Of the four lowest-rated show, all but "NBC Magazine" are new series. Here are the week's 10 highest-rated programs: "Dallas," with a rating of 27 representing 22.1 million homes, CBS; "Night of 100 Stars," 26.4 or 21.6 million, ABC; "60 Minutes," 25.6 or 21 million, "The Jeffersons," 25.4 or 20.8 million, and "Alice," 24.2 or 19.8 million, all CBS; "Too Close for Comfort," 23.3 or 19.1 million, "Love Boat," 23.1 or 19.1 million, "Three's Company," 23 or 18.8 million, all ABC; "Dukes of Hazzard," 22.6 or 18.5 million, CBS, and "Hart to Hart," 22.1 or 18.1 million, ABC. The remainder of the Top 20: "T.J. Hooker," ABC; "Magnum, P.I.," and "One Day at a Time," both CBS, tie; "Trapper John, M.D.," and "Archie Bunker's Place," both CBS; "Real People," NBC; "Falcon Crest," CBS; "Happy Days," ABC, and "Facts of Life," NBC, tie, and "Laverne and Shirley," ABC.

@DRW50 @kalbir @Khan @Soapsuds @Chris B @te. @Chris 2 This might have been shared already or not but a friend of mine in a classic primetime soap group on FB shared with me the alternative scripts for each character revealing that they killed Carlo Agretti. To have Angela and Melissa or even Chao-Li be the culprits is wild but I can definitely see them revealing themselves with such confidence and gleam in their eyes lol. Then again to have Julia be the culprit itself is wild as another show would have probably just let it be Diana or Phillip. Lance: "He [Carlo] kept pushing me. First the marriage. Then he threatened to cut Melissa out of his will. He was pushing me around... You [Chase] were pushing me around... She [Melissa] was even pushing me around. Then, at the baby shower, he [Carlo] threatened me. I wasn't going to stand for that. Not after what I'd already put up with..." Richard: "Carlo Agretti was a hypocrite who spurned me in public while privately trying to bleed me dry. I offered him double the market value for his property. But he resented that and threatened to expose my own father as a Nazi. I couldn't let him do that." Diana: "It was my only option. I had orders to get the Agretti Vineyards at any cost, and 'the company' has never recognized any limits. Results are all that count. There was an agreement... Richard had to deliver the entire California wine industry to 'the company' or give up any hope of independence. I wanted him to survive out here... to succeed. I was in love with him. I wanted him free... for me..." Phillip: "It was the only thing left to do. Agretti had fought Angela for years. He was preparing to sell out to Richard. That would've been disastrous for Falcon Crest. With Carlo and Richard both clawing away at her, there was no time for the niceties of legal maneuvering or negotiating. I had to expedite matters. Angela has given her life to Falcon Crest, and... you see... I love her..." Angela: "Carlo got exactly what he deserved. He sealed his own fate when he threatened to cut Melissa out of his will. I have no regrets. He would've done the same to me. You [Chase] don't understand anything, do you? From the time I sat on my grandfather's knee... until now, I was the chosen one to care for and enhance the legacy of Falcon Crest. Your father had no aptitude for that challenge. My strength, my dedication covered for his weakness. And then you came here to change all that? You're nothing but an opportunist who still has his head in the clouds at thirty thousand feet. You don't have the faintest idea what it takes to maintain the greatness of Falcon Crest!" Melissa: "He was no father. I was nothing more than another bargaining tool to him. He wanted Falcon Crest so badly that he traded me in marriage to Lance. Then he threatened to cut me out of his will. That didn't give me much choice. With him gone, I controlled the Agretti Vineyards, I finally had my own source of power." Chao-Li: "Mrs. Channing took me in when I was a young man with no place else to turn. She made me a part of this family. I owe her everything. Carlo Agretti... he fought her at every turn. There is nothing he would not have done to win control of Falcon Crest." Cole (an idea from an early stage; neither scripted in detail nor photographed): "I did it all along because he would not let me prove to Melissa how much I loved her — and she was carrying my child."

LOL obviously it’s been 20 years and I recall this on either the WOST boards and/or the long defunct Snark Weighs In blog (what the heck ever happened to that guy??). Basically you were like “Boy it’s takes a lot nerve when you know your own [!@#$%^&*] show you’re on smells to high heaven to pass judgement like that” or something that. Sparks had made the comments in an interview with the infamous Daniel Coleridge.

True haha although that was more realistic then and even B&B had Stephanie secretly intercept a letter from Taylor to Ridge about her affair with James a couple years before that lol. That said, I will say B&B is refreshing to watch since we finally have a new set of characters to focus on and the Liam 1/2hour is finally a thing of the past but Electra and Nick Newman Jr. aren’t it to me either.

@Khan I do to this day remember your snarky response back in 2006 when actress Dana Sparks (yes, the Dana Sparks of Falcon Crest and Passions infamy lol) in an interview openly criticized how low brow the MyNet shows were to daytime soaps🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 @te. Thank you for informing me that all the shows are on Tubi. Down the rabbit hole I go. The MyNetwork TV experiment was interesting but turned into a disaster quickly. I think Fox was supposed to air some other programs but they never materialized. After the 07-08 writers strike the network was effectively dead and has been ever since. The only shows I actually mildly enjoyed on there were Fashion House and Wicked Wicked Games. Fashion House started off so rough until MF finally showed up then it became pure camp. @dc11786 I recall there was another show that actually already lined up to replace Saints and Sinners (or was it that very trashy American Heiress?) starring Sean Young as the lead, but ultimately cancelled once they pulled the shows off.

Haha you read my mind! The whole Patty and Jack on a boat in the middle of the ocean is basically Jack and crazy Kelly all over again. Don’t tell me Marco aka Yack will be back for May sleeps next. Apparently Josh Griffith misunderstood the meaning of “March Madness” when it came to Y&R like he always does 🤣

That sounds like someone MAB/Rauch/Sheffer/Hamner would have cast during their reign of terror lol.

LOL. I remember watching years ago on Encore or something. Didn’t James Brolin play her husband? I always had to laugh at the scenes in Hall’s Never Say Never movie which showed Hall as a struggling actress who couldn’t get an audition following Our House’s cancellation, yet in reality she was quite busy on TV movie circuit.

TV Ratings 35 years ago for 2/25/91-3/3/91. Was a bit surprised at first by MSW but then realized it was a rerun. 80’s sitcoms like WTB? and Growing Pains were dropping fast. Overall they still ranked in the Top 30 for the season with WTB? at #19, but when they returned in April I know the season’s final few episodes ranked outside of the Top 30. Was the Gulf War (and changing tastes) the first nails in the coffin? Dallas dying, Knots even in S12 at a respectable #34, and of course DS, Twin Peaks, and Sons and Daughters had all failed in some doomed timeslots.

LOL.😂 In actuality the series continued into the following week with Part III being tied at #1 for the week of 2/20/84-2/26/84 with the first part of Lace. Obviously America was loving grand soapy miniseries at the time: Nielsen prime time ratings for the week ending Feb. 26, gave CBS an 18.2 rating with a 28 percent share of the viewing audience, ABC a 17.3 rating with a 27 share and NBC a 15.2 rating with a 24 share. Part III of the CBS miniseries "Master of the Game" and Part I of the ABC miniseries "Lace" tied for the No. 1 program of the week, each with a 28.2 rating. "Master," however, had a 42 percent share of the viewing audience, while "Lace" had a 39 share. Part II of "Master" was ranked third for the week with a 27.7 rating and a 40 share. In the 22-week-old television season, CBS has won the prime time ratings 15 times, ABC 6 and NBC 1. The Top 10 prime time shows for the week ending Feb. 26, according to the A.C. Nielsen 1. tie. Master of the Game (CBS) 1.2. tie. Lace (ABC) 3. Master of Game Part II (CBS) 4.Dallas (CBS) 5. Star Wars (CBS) 6.60 Minutes (CBS) 7. Simon and Simon (CBS) 8. Dynasty (ABC) 9. tie. Falcon Crest (CBS) Magnum, P.I. (CBS)

Here’s what was going on in the world of primetime soaps that week. It should be noted for Knots and FC it was their penultimate episodes for their season: Bare Essence 3/1/83 ( @Paul Raven do we know where this one ranked?) Tyger Hayes pushes forward with her new perfume line despite intense opposition from the Marshall family. Ava continues plotting to protect her son's position, while Lady Bobbi deepens her romance with the vengeful Niko. St. Elsewhere 3/1/83: Ehrlich scrambles to find a last-minute date to Craig's party. Morrison finds out that one of his patient's injury were not from a racially-motivated scuffle as he initially claimed. White's wife asks him for money to get an abortion. Dynasty 3/2/83: As Blake is departing for Singapore to identify his son, Alexis intercepts him at the airport to assure him she will not be stopped from merging their respective companies. Despite Alexis' efforts, however, Blake is assured of Congressman McVane's help in stalling official approval of the move... Knots Landing 3/3/83: While Gary is being held in jail for the murder of Ciji, it's Valene that confesses to killing her. Lilimae tells Chip that she's had enough of his lies and kicks him out of the house. Richard walks out on his family. Dallas 3/4/83: After Holly consults with Bobby regarding JR's latest scheme, he enlists Ray help in finding out where JR is really shipping a million barrels of oil. When JR is approached to run for senate, Sue Ellen is reluctant to be in the spotlight because of her past problems with alcoholism. Mickey gets Lucy involved with his misunderstandings with Ray and Donna. Cliff and Katherine push Pam towards Mark. Falcon Crest 3/4/83: In the morning, Chase encounters Sheriff Robbins, who is running out of the county building. Robbins has obtained the forensic report on Henri Denault and wants to ask Richard Channing some questions. Chase explains that he has evidence that Carlo Agretti was blackmailing Richard. Richard is dictating Denault's obituary to Diana for the newspaper when Robbins and Chase arrive at Richard's house. After Robbins informs Richard that there were signs of struggle on Denault's body, Robbins wants to examine Richard's clothing from that day. In response, Richard tells them to get search warrants and slams the door in their faces. Later, Richard decides to give Lance all the information on Tony Cumson. At Falcon Crest, Lance tells Melissa that Diana Hunter called to tell him that Tony is working in San Diego as an offshore consultant for an oil company. Lance tells Melissa that if Julia travels to San Diego, she will never be able to show her face at Falcon Crest again. On the veranda, Angie questions Chase about Maggie and Darryl Clayton, and while Chase tries to discuss work, Sheriff Robbins drives up with a warrant and requests that Chase accompany him to Richard's house. Chase warns Robbins not to be rash; he cautions that they should try to obtain more concrete evidence. Chase then suggests that they might find some more clues at the Agretti's house. NBC had concluded The Family Tree a week earlier on 2/26/83 as the Saturday night drama flopped.

Good point. And I actually kind of forgot about Miller/Boyett being involved tbh lol. Obviously between NBC, Lorimar, Miller/Boyett, and then Harper and her husband there was definitely way too many cooks in the kitchen here involved.

The show when it was Valerie had moved to a very disastrous timeslot on Sunday nights in the fall of ‘86 before moving back to Monday nights in the spring. I’ll have take some time to articulate my thoughts on Valerie Harper and her time with the Hogans lol later @DRW50 @Khan @Soapsuds @kalbir Despite me knocking it over the years as so cheesy it was probably actually my favorite of all those 80’s family sitcoms (they didn’t have Jason Bateman lol) and I think Sandy Duncan was a better fit (but Josh Taylor…really?) And I watched Rich’s death from AIDS in real time…was that the first time “a very special episode” killed off a main (or was) character in such a shocking manner? I didn’t realize it never got a DVD release which is weird because I remember it being heavily syndicated and then airing on PAX and ABC Family even in the early-mid 00’s. I do wonder how Valerie Harper felt after doing her infamous victory dance interview following winning her lawsuit that CBS cancelled her Spring 1990 sitcom City that aired opposite of The Hogan Family (very successful start but quickly collapsed) yet picked up the Hogan Family for the fall.

Appreciate the insight and details as always @dc11786 as Days was in such a transitional mess at that time. I don’t even remember Max interacting with Adriana 1.0–the show had known Brooks was leaving for months for Blue Mountain State. That sounds reminiscent of how the show quickly paired up Max and Mimi for Mimi’s last 3 months even though Fath’s exit was also well known in advance.

Thanks @DRW50!!! Dallas had struggled there too. Hotel absolutely flopped in that slot as did Twin Peaks. Yet then Sisters ran comfortably for 6 seasons in that slot. I suppose networks should have had a lot to patience and been okay with loyal but middle of the pack ratings instead of thinking for some break out top 10 hit for a Saturday night soap.

The show made its debut exactly 40 years ago today! It originally aired on Sat March 1 1986 squeezed in the 8:30/7:30 Slot between Facts of Life and The Golden Girls and then assumed it’s regular timeslot on Monday 3/3/86 behind You Again?, which had its own series debut on Thurs 2/27/86 in Family Ties’ regular spot.

Yet the actor in question still had a far more successful career than Wings Hauser ever did 🤣 Idk, I think the problem with Greg was between the inconsistent casting the character wasn’t too far different that any other male characters on Y&R. I feel Greg’s place was quickly taken by Brock, followed by Steven Williams and then by the time Greg left we had Andy. Maybe if Greg had been a more nefarious conniving figure it might had worked out.

LOL I’ve been kind of hate watching B&B again. Although it’s refreshing to see something different, stuff like Electra ordering Dylan to her room, Dylan eating pizza from the trash, and the Vine finally becoming and evil fungus by hiding a letter like it’s 1986 and not 2026 and then trying to threaten the perfume sniffer it’s just hysterical bad camp to me 🤣

Same page here too! LOL. As for B&B…IT’S NOT PROPER!!! (in an Australian accent)🤣🤣🤣🤣

Same lol. I had enjoyed Ramsey’s work on GL before that too despite the uneven writing (a story about pirated CD’s 😂). I remember there a proposed Chris & Wyatt spinoff that was rumored for a couple years but I think it was just a rumor. I also recall WB/CW nixing the idea because it was too similar to Supernatural. Thanks. I definitely remember Stephanie being trapped in the morgue with a shirtless JKJ Phillip fighting off Owen saving the days. I recall Owen had also locked up Brady and Melanie in the Kiriakis family crypt as well. Not going to lie Days randomly bringing back Owen Kent 17 years later just reeks of an Carlivati move lol.

Well this is completely random at least to me lol although I do remember the original storyline. @Soapsuds @dc11786 @carolineg Didn’t Gordon Thomson come on the show as Owen’s dad too? I remember some folks jockeying for Wes Ramsey to be the next big thing back in the mid 00’s between Latter Days and his role on Charmed but nothing substantial ever materialized.

Same I lost interest in him years ago. After Heroes I know Ryan Murphy had a hard on for him for a few years but even that seems to have dissipated.

Thanks @Paul Raven for the details on FC. Odd to know that CBS scheduled new episodes on holidays like Christmas and NYE. I believe Knots also had new eps air on Thanksgiving New Year’s Day as well. Then again, perhaps for some watching FC on Christmas was perhaps a nice excuse/escape from real family chaos lol.