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So no one (besides me and most likely JP) finds it odd that Lisa didn't bring up "the lie" during the private conversation with Brandi - not only didn't she bring it up but she still seemed eager to fix things with Brandi? Not odd? I'll hold my tongue on it because I guess it could have been oddly edited out.

Yolanda almost tossed Ken into the pool. Those two are going to have a real cat fight next season ... or at the reunion.

Brandi f--ked up her face. Hopefully she stops doing whatever she's doing and it can go back to a more natural state.

I'm starting to see though why Nene is utterly annoyed and fed up with Kenya's antics....that lady was straight up clowning and acting throughout the entire episode and she knows it. Props to her for figuring out how to get under Nene's skin but the whole "killing her with kindness" part gave the game away for me. She doesn't want to do it and she doesn't truly want to be friends with Nene but she'll do it just to keep the drama going....

In past weeks, I wanted to slap Nene really hard for making me agree with Peter multiple times among other things. Last night, I wanted to slap Kenya for making me forget that I wanted to slap Nene. Dang you, Kenya. Kenya has potential to be so good but she's both contrived and messy at the same time and that never takes long to shine through. Nene just sitting there like Queen Bobble-head wasn't exactly endearing either. I understood why she did it though. She finally caught a grip and had she opened her mouth there might have been trouble.

Oh OK. It's good know that my opinion and how I personally read it is wrong. Thank you.

Uhm, where exactly did you get that from "one of us is right, one of us is wrong"? <-- That's a fact-based deduction. One of us - no one in particular until there's video or an admission from RHOBH production, Brandi or Lisa - is right and and one of us is wrong on this topic. Maybe you subconsciously believe you're wrong to have reached that deduction.

I'm sure they knew this season lacked storyline so Brandi created this feud with Lisa in an effort to get big ratings and headlines. Only problem is, it only worked in Lisa's favor.

My question is why is it clearly all production when Lisa is doing foul things to help stir storyline (Scheana) but it's Brandi or Kyle being pretty much evil masterminds when they're apparently doing the same?

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Kenya was obnoxious tonight.

In general, Kenya's messy - her and her fake boyfriends that may or may not be gay. Going so hard on whatshername following the Walter debacle? When you come down to it Kenya's a manufactured, messy, try-hard and tonight was case and point. That puts Nene's immature behavior in perspective. Nene has/had me rooting so hard for Kenya due to just being a complete douche-bag in general.

That all aside, I'm totally looking forward to see what trouble messy Kenya enables among herself, Apollo and the pressed funeral director.

Has there been a husband on a franchise who's been as desperate for airtime as Peter?

Isn't he low on funds? He probably wants to become the first male house"wife."

NBA, on body language, we're definitely reading it differently. One of us is right and the other isn't.

IMO, any uneasiness Brandi has was because she knew she was making a bigger deal of it than it was and because she regretted putting it out to a point. I agree with Kyle on this, if somebody had just totally made up s--t about me I wouldn't have gone up to them and declared my love for them.That wasn't done with any sarcasm, that was done like "lets call a truce, remember it's me and you against....?"

When did Lisa lie? And don't bring up that magazine crap because Carlton AND Yolanda have come out and said Lisa didn't stuff those magazines in Brandi's bag. Hell, Carlton said that Lisa didn't even go into Brandi's house because she arrived late.

Yolanda said she saw Lisa see the magazine. That's all she attested to being witness of. That's a lot different from Carlton declaring Lisa never even stepped foot into Brandi's house. Also I'm sure Carlton, Brandi and Yolanda weren't literally or even figuratively sewn together at the hip while at Brandi's.

I just asked if you could specify how she is. No one said that she's above being immature. She is a human being. She has faults.

Well, to me it is kind of obvious, so... That mixed with the general fandom of Lisa being at an extreme point (in terms of turning her into a beacon of virtue) at the moment lent to that comment.

Lisa started talking a lot more s--t than usual after the tabloid episode aired which is another reason I think she is guilty besides her body language on the episode. She took it from a soft 3-4 to a hard 8-9. Like I said, I thought it was probably done as a joke. It's the same way I thought Yolanda did what Kyle/Kim accused her of just not at the viciousness they put it out with at the reunion.

Lisa is being immature by participating with the Twitter/reality-media s--t substantially. Or is Lisa incapable of being immature? I must have missed the memo.

Like, I said, though - Lisa wasn't exactly a friendship machine on the show. To that extent, Lisa too needed someone. A huge part of the reason she and Brandi became close, in the first place, is because Brandi wasn't having it with the Lisa take down on her first reunion. People infer Brandi is a gold digger as a friend, for some reason. The girl ratted out the billionaire she was brought on as a friend of at that first reunion.

Lisa opened her house to Brandi? Brandi was not a homeless puppy. Lisa is on a reality show with Brandi. The reality based nature forces everybody to "open their house" to each other.

I'm not sure why RH fans think Brandi owes Lisa so much. Fans were rooting for Brandi even before her and Lisa became friends due to the wolf pack mentality (i.e. Richards sister hate). It's not like Lisa had a big well of options open in the friends department on RHOBH when Brandi came in, most of the cast were plotting her demise. Brandi didn't join in on the witch hunt on the first reunion she was invited to. Brandi was invited as a friend of Adrienne - No? Fans act like Lisa has been funding and housing and gosh knows what else-ing Brandi. From what I know, Brandi didn't take much anything from Lisa. They were friends. Real friends or Hollywood friends, one or the other. They BOTH defended each other. They've had a falling out. Brandi "ended" this relationship for what appears to be immature reasons. She continues to be immature. Lisa is being immature, too.

he best part about that trailer is Ken laying on that guilt THICK to Brandi. Girl has no idea of what she's lost. Lisa was her best advocate and probably the one person in Beverly Hills who could have help this woman get her life together, make some smart investments, and actually become moderately successful/wealthy within the next 10 years....what does she do instead?

Hmm, talking about laying it on thick... ;b

Lisa is a cool chick with a few successful restaurants. This doesn't make her Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates or a saint. Brandi is messy, but that doesn't make her OJ Simpson, Judas or Tonya Harding. We don't even know that Brandi and Lisa were close enough during off-season for St. Lisa to bless poor, under-educated, tramp-ish Brandi with her wisdom and halo.

I have to see Kyle looks amazing at the reunion, a lot better than all the rest. She's having quite the redemption season in about every way possible - and that's even without reuniting with Lisa (and her cult following). Somebody BTS loves her behind.

Brandi and the fire question? Gurrrl! You're not in 7th grade. She's trying too hard to make something of the Scheana stuff. Lisa has been foul with that at times, don't get me wrong, but Brandi's really trying too hard with this. "You invited her more..." "If there was a fire..." The there's the other angle: "Stop acting like my mother..." "Don't tell me what to do..." "I won't go to the doctor because you said to go to the doctor..." Either this is a written storyline or Brandi has the brain of a junior high school idiot. A lot of this stuff is so superficial and stupid even though Lisa & Brandi throwing "bombs" on each other while watching their season.

I can't really judge on the tabloid story angle of Lisa and Brandi's fued because I don't quite believe Lisa on it. If she is lying...

Yolanda is an ice queen. I don't love her. I don't hate her. She is what she is. IMO, she was like this from the start, we eventually didn't mind because she aligned with Brandi and Lisa. She thinks she's better and smarter than everybody else but so does Lisa and Carlton... Richitis?

Spot on about Yolanda. Her issue with Lisa is Lisa is being a shitty friend and she's seeing Lisa be a shitty friend to their mutual friend and being friendly with a woman she's don't nothing but trash for years. Why is this hard to understand?

There's the question of does/did Brandi want Lisa to give her space or did she want her to call her everyday. Uhm, both. People are not simple. Relationships are not simple. Relationships go through rough patches. Brandi was having a childish period towards Lisa (between the mothering and the Scheana hurt). Brandi didn't expect Lisa to just throw her hands up and "toss her aside" and go straight back to the chick she was trashing and, in part, had her [and Yolanda] trashing. What exactly had Brandi done to Lisa to her face or even behind her back, at that point, that she couldn't return her calls (when Brandi was ready to stop pushing)? Lisa didn't deny that this was going on (her not returning calls, etc). I don't blame Brandi or Yolanda for thinking that Lisa hit the road [and replaced Brandi with Kyle] when things got rough - Brandi was being too much to handle on a lot of fronts (Joyce, etc).

I had forgot what Kim and Kyle accused Yolanda of at the reunion. Yolanda revealed that Kyle was bad mouthing Brandi on a Vegas trip (Kyle and Brandi were on better terms by the reunion) so Kyle revealed that Yolanda told Kim that "[Lisa's] not your real friend. She's full of s--t." Kim backed this up. I did feel Yolanda was lying when she denied it, the same EXACT way I feel Lisa is lying about tabloid-gate. Not so subtle body-language twitches happened in both cases. I don't think Yolanda disliked Lisa at the time. I think she was getting there, but she was just mostly being honest about what she felt Lisa's relationship to Kim was/is. In both cases, I think it was blown up into something it wasn't exactly.

And I see nothing objectionable about how Ken conducted himself. He saw his wife being ambushed. He defended her and he got them out of the situation rather than stay screaming at the table like a pack of hyenas.

Paul and Mauricio almost got their balls cut off by all of us and Ken for doing exactly what Ken was doing on Monday.

The only people acting like hyenas at that table were Ken and Kim to be frank. Mauricio and Kyle to a lesser extent. Brandi answered a question and shut up. Kyle didn't exactly overdo it with wanting an answer. She asked and explained why she asked. On the bus, Brandi made her points (that were IMO irrational and jealous) and none of the women joined in. They looked uncomfortable and seemed to be minding their business while not minding their business.

Yo needs to get over Lisa not coming to ONE of her many pointless events. That was stupid. Unlike Yolanda, Lisa has a damn job. Her canceling Yolanda's stupid azz painting party then Yo getting peeved was stupid. If anyone should question their friendship, it should be Lisa. Especially after all this AND Yolanda trash talking Lisa in Paris. Yolemony can have a seat. She's a fake friend if anything.

I think you may have Yolanda and Kim confused.

Kim's breaking point with Lisa was her not coming to one lousy event. That coupled with Lisa talking down to her a lot.

Yolanda has made it clear why she doesn't feel any of these women, sans Brandi for a bit, were real friends - and it has everything to do with the genuine concern shown for her during her battle with her disease.

Joyce adds no entertainment value to RHOBH. I'm sure she's a nice women. She should go on a nice reality television show.

Yolanda is not jealous of anything Lisa has. She thinks Lisa is a lousy friend, that's it. If Yolanda has shown anything in her two seasons of BH, it's that she's anal about friendships and she's as straight forward with her opinions as an ice pick plunging into your heart.

He's gotta cover for his wife while she's being exposed and showing what a liar she is.

Ken is an adorable husband, but his ass needed to STFU about Lisa being innocent in tabloid-gate when I'm 99.9% sure he wasn't on the scene the whole time IF at all.

Lisa is also acting like Adrienne with all the defamation talk to the point that it almost makes me respect Kyle, I don't remember Kyle whining this much when Lisa was slinging her and her husband's name through the mud quite ferociously.

I don't think Brandi thinks she's the only one with something to apologize for. I sort of agree. The off-season while watching the season bashing has gone both ways. Lisa has taken almost every opportunity to rub it in (re: Joyce/Brandi, Mohammed). She's called that "not participating in the bad mouthing." I'd bet big money Lisa is also lying about the tabloidgate (she probably did it half-jokingly). The obstacle with Brandi and all these ladies redeveloping strong/"strong" relationships is you clearly can't tell Brandi anything private because she has a blabber mouth.

Lisa will never sincerely apologize to Kyle because she feels she was responding to Kyle in kind. She kind of was. In Lisa's head, Kyle is really lucky that she decided to let her back. IDK about that. Lisa's innuendo about Kyle and Mauricio was more damaging (deflamatory) than Kyle trying to dethrown Lisa by calling her BF or finding out small worthless details about her life (restaurant ownership) and trying to spin it into something it isn't.

All I want to know is since when did Brandi decide she was BFFs with Kyle and felt she just had to know the truth and throw Lisa under the bus. I do believe her since Lisa is a straight shooter and kept deflecting, however I remember when Lisa was the ONLY friend Brandi had and defended her to Kyle and Kim when they thought they were completely above her. Regardless of whether she packed the tabloids or when she saw the tabloids, it's over exaggerated nonsense and Brandi is shady for doing her wrong like that. What makes it worse it's for someone like Kyle who both she and Kim treated her like [!@#$%^&*] since she debuted. With friends like that Lisa don't need enemies.

I don't think Brandi is coming from a place of being or wanting to be BFF with Kyle. Tattling on Lisa was less about caring about Kyle, and more about Brandi being mad at Lisa for going back to Kyle (after everything said and done there) - and, in her eyes, dropping her when things got rough. She basically admitted as much in her blog.

It's a little insane that somehow all of Kyle's sins have been erased within the dream team due to the collapse of the dream team.

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O, the episode radiated creeping dread from the moment it started... the dread that an ambush was being planned and put into motion. Most women maybe recognize that feeling from high school. The dread of a circle of friends turning against you, bitching about you when you are barely out of earshot, walking away from you like you are contagious because they are not ready to full-on confront you -- yet. The tension tightens into a knot of anxiety in your stomach where you can barely think of anything else. It builds and builds until the point when they decide, finally, to talk and it's like fighting off a kettle of vultures all of sudden as the accusations come thick and fast, and you are second-guessing yourself and barely able to think, and you feel sick to your stomach and just want to run away.

I read a few sentences of this paragraph and you could have been describing at least 3-4 of the women last night. Fully reading the paragraph you're obviously talking about Lisa Peron. Lisa usually is the one walking away, not the other women (sans Brandi). That wasn't an ambush simply on the fact that I felt that most of the women involved didn't really enjoy doing it. I leave Yolanda and Kim out of that selection. I can't read Yolanda - she's too cold - and Kim just really has somewhat justified issues with Lisa. Boyce was a bystander. Yolanda and Kim gave it to Ken more than Lisa. Brandi just said her part and shut-up.

Brandi and Kim's blogs make me believe Brandi on this even more. Brandi straight out says it was a bitch move to tattle but says she was hurt (between Lisa rekindling her relationship with Kyle while Brandi was a bit of a sinking ship and what she had been seeing on Vanderpump Rules). Continues on to say that wasn't the result she wanted out of that day, she just wanted to have a honest conversation with Lisa about everything (pre-tattling). Kim tells the story of how this all came out, which puts more light on it: Brandi actually shared the story with Kim first, Kim encouraged her to share it with Kyle and you can still feel Kim dripping with ripe resentment of both Lisa and Ken. I'm not saying Kim is irrational about Lisa, I think a lot of what Kim says about Lisa concerning herself and Kyle is accurate BUT, however accurate, she clearly has very colored feelings about Lisa.

I believe Brandi, she doesn't lie but I don't think she should've told Kyle that given how Kyle used Faye to go after Brandi!

I wouldn't say this. IMO, yes, she doesn't lie lie BUT she does leave out important points when telling a story (by accident or on purpose). For example, she accused Eddie of wanting child support but the truth is he wanted back spousal support he feels he overpaid her. He clearly sees she's making money and wants some of the support he paid back, including child support in all likelihood, but she clearly also twisted the facts there.

I lean toward believing Brandi on this, too, though. I do think Lisa wanted to stab-stab Kyle with the magazine half-jokingly. Lisa was rubbing it (the marriage rumors) in much too passively aggressively earlier this season. That ILY to Brandi at the table screamed "stop ratting me out gurl, we're on the same team."

I'm with you in not getting Brandi's "loyalty" to Kyle. She's acting like she is not aware that Kyle is the same person she now feels Lisa is. Even if Lisa did what she said she did, Brandi knows da-n well that Kyle was working the same way and worst to take down Lisa (and Yolanda) from first hand experience. <-- That may be part of Brandi's problem with Lisa though. "I'm having issues, so you 'abandon' me and go back to the chick that was trying to slit your throat (and my throat, and her throat for vocally bystanding)?"

I find Kim and Brandi together oddly refreshing.

They're kind of adorable together in a weird way. It just seems more genuine than some of the other relationships. When you remember how that relationship started...

I could see Lisa very easily doing the magazine thing half-jokingly, kind of like Kyle described. I really hope Brandi isn't lying about what Lisa did. Whether she did it seriously or jokingly, I don't care. I don't think what Lisa may have done (jokingly or seriously) is a big deal - except in relationship to her relationship to Kyle which was/is already f'ed up. If Brandi lied about the situation ... that's f'ed up.

Yolanda said, in her blog, had Ken let her talk instead of being a hypocrite and barking she would have added that she had only seen Lisa take notice of the magazine - not place it in any bag. She's not saying she did or didn't place it in the bag, just saying she didn't see it happen.

Really Nene, Marlo and Kenya each have no room to be throwing male-she shade.

did you watch the same episode we did last week? Peter did not step in or approach Nene. He left bc he felt uncomfortable and did not agree with what she did. He had a private conversation off to the side with his wife and Nene interjected herself in that and got into it with him. Peter did not go after her!

That's exactly what happened. Peter acts like a bitch often, but that wasn't one of those times.

With the ratings for this season I can easily see them making this a 3-4 part reunion with one episode dedicated to the friends.

Not sure how reliable this site is: http://sandrarose.com/2014/02/source-rhoas-cynthia-bailey-and-peter-thomas-retain-high-powered-attorney/

Kenya didn't post anything the minute "the news broke." It's about 8 or so hours after the news broke. If somebody came at me like SOD came at Kenya, I'd be getting them receipts fast too. Most of that stuff you can find on your phone and in your online checking account in minutes. I really hope she has the receipt for the bigger donation from the ball.

Nene is pointing it out because Kenya is talking about paying for the event venue which she would have had to do BEFORE the event

What is being pointed out is WTF? on Nene's part. Where is the check for the venue there? They said the venue was 5,000. I see no check for 5,000. The only check I see there with a date after 9/29 is the donation check,