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Miranda Wilson looking better here than how she ever looked on her last stint on DAYS! Vincent Irizzary was completely wasted on Santa Barbara. The big mistake was making him a doctor. For whatever reason, this show could never do doctors or medical stories; all attempts were blah; it just wasn't their thing.

Wow, Louise Sorel looking better than all of them there!

A quick summary of the show's history: 1984 was rough. 1985 and 86 were its peak. 1987 it started to decline. 1988 and 89 were the bottom of the barrel, its nadir. 1990 and 91 were spent trying to recover. 1992 it threw in the towel. 1993 it was off the air. A good quick summary?

Happy 40th Anniversary to the show! Can't believe 1984 was 40 years ago 🤯

Why hasn't P&G donated whatever their have to a major archive or research facility, like the Library of Congress or UCLA, or to any university or museum looking to start up a research archive? P&G was an early pioneer in getting their soaps up and streaming. Remember the AOL Classic Soap channel from the late 2000s? They even had Another World from 1991-1992 up on Hulu. Then Guiding Light and As the World Turns were canceled and everything changed. Out of spite, or whatever, nothing has been heard from them about classic soaps for going on 12 years now. You'd think they'd continue with AW on Hulu, and add classic ATWT and GL, but nope, they were done. As to the fate of the tapes, who knows; but again, I don't understand why they won't let other people at them.

I have no certain knowledge one way or the other, but I think that the evidence and the arguments lean more to the side that all of the P&G soap tapes have been destroyed.. Wish there could be a more definitive answer, but it seems as if P&G has never and may never respond to any inquiries about it..

An interesting article with the head of NBC mostly blaming the audience for the lack of quality programming. https://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/30/arts/nbc-s-head-says-tv-viewers-spurn-quality-shows.html NBC'S HEAD SAYS TV VIEWERS SPURN QUALITY SHOWS By Peter W. Kaplan Sept. 30, 1984 Grant Tinker, the chairman of NBC, got up from his desk in his office on the sixth floor of the RCA building in Rockefeller Center. Behind him hung a huge framed blowup of the dictionary definitions of the word ''tinker.'' He sat on a couch and stretched his legs; across the room from him, three television sets were tuned to the three networks' evening-news broadcasts. Mr. Tinker, lean, white-haired and exactly as tanned and wrinkled as a 58-year-old man would like to be, stared a little wistfully at the three screens. ''You know,'' he said, ''in the beginning, nobody had seen any of it before. Some people would watch test patterns. Ed Sullivan, 'Your Show of Shows,' 'Philco Playhouse,' 'Playhouse 90' - they were more important than what we've got. It was more of an event. Now, we are taken for granted. As we should be.'' Grant Tinker, the man who helped revitalize the situation comedy with ''The Mary Tyler Moore Show,'' who put ''Lou Grant'' and ''Rhoda'' into production and who founded the company that now produces ''Cheers,'' ''St. Elsewhere'' and ''Hill Street Blues,'' has been the chief operating officer of NBC for three years. When he took on the position, after NBC's now-semi-legendary disastrous slump under the leadership of Fred Silverman, it seemed like the right appointment at the right time. And in many ways, for the network, it has been: morale is better, management changes have been put into effect, the profits of the company are up dramatically and, apparently, rising. It may have been the right appointment at the right time for NBC, but whether or not it was the right appointment for Grant Tinker - or at least the man who has committed his career to getting good television programming on the air - is another thing altogether. Speaking on the eve of a new television season, Grant Tinker, the chairman of NBC, has a bleak view of the state of network television and of what viewers are willing to put up with. It is fair to say that he feels constricted by the boundaries of his business and is even critical of some of the programming his own network has chosen to start the new season with. The blame, he said in a recent interview, has to be shared by the three networks, which as businesses look to profits above all else; by overused, worn-out suppliers of shows whose creative inspiration ceased to contribute to the industry, by his account, a long time ago; and, perhaps most of all, by the audience, which swallows much of the worst programming that is fed to it. ''We're all doing the same shows,'' Mr. Tinker said of the three networks. ''I think it is criminal of people to stare at television so uncritically.'' Mr. Tinker, a former producer who says he has lost none of his enthusiasm for television but is perplexed, not to say frustrated, by its limitations, ascribed the dearth of good programming to what he called a depressing and unwitting partnership between producers and audience. Not only is there a lack of ''creative people to bring you something better,'' he said, but bad programming is accepted by all too many television viewers, of whom he said, ''They're such a disappointment.'' Mr. Tinker, who produced a number of highly praised television series, took control of a network in disarray in July 1981. NBC has continued to rank third in the network ratings during his tenure, and its programming, while having its peaks and winning more Emmy Awards than the other two networks - it picked up 11 awards this week, to CBS's 10 and ABC's 5 - has only sporadically gained viewer loyalty. The new crop of NBC programs for the 1984 fall season have, in their initial broadcasts, garnered some excellent ratings. ''The Cosby Show,'' a situation comedy with Bill Cosby as a New York obstetrician and father of four, finished first in the Nielsen ratings last week, with extraordinarily high viewership in large cities, and received very good reviews. But a number of the other new NBC programs are not the kind of entertainment that Mr. Tinker has been associated with in the past and are not the kind about which he seems to feel particularly proud. They are, he says, the product of business decisions that he calls necessary for his company, but not necessarily a good-conscience gift to the viewing audience. One of those programs, ''Hunter,'' has already been the subject of some controversy. Scheduled against the champion of Nielsen ratings, CBS's ''Dallas,'' a program that has a very high viewership among females, ''Hunter'' is a program tailored to appeal to young male viewers in the style of what television believes young male viewers respond to: car chases and shootings. ''Hunter'' had high ratings in its two-hour premiere last week, out of its time slot, but the series is not the kind of programming Mr. Tinker created when he was selling to the networks rather than overseeing one. ''I think if you put 'Lou Grant' somewhere in the schedule now,'' Mr. Tinker said, ''it wouldn't work. The audience has changed some - and not for the better. I don't know why. It has something to do with the maturing of the medium. A very big part of the audience has never been without television. They settle for it, and take it for granted. ''The audience,'' he continued, ''won't make the effort to follow a 'Lou Grant' or to laugh at a literate comedy. And the kind of programs the three networks put on certainly doesn't help them.'' During Mr. Tinker's regime at NBC, the network has been singularly supportive of slow-building hits, such as ''Cheers,'' ''Remington Steele,'' ''Family Ties,'' as well as ''Hill Street Blues'' and ''St. Elsewhere,'' both award-winning MTM-produced programs. Surveying the new NBC schedule, which includes ''Hunter'' and another show with a high violence quotient, ''Miami Vice,'' as well as the return of ''TV Bloopers and Practical Jokes,'' Mr. Tinker rationalized his approval of them. ''As an executive, if I'm going to be attentive to the shareholder interest, I have to put on shows that work,'' he said. ''Shows that we just think are good won't perform.'' He went through his lineup, describing some of the new programs and generally making favorable comments about their ''execution'' rather than their content. ''There are a lot of question marks in there,'' he said, expressing frustration at what his programmers were able to put on the air. The only new program he praised for its quality was ''The Cosby Show.'' Beyond that, he said, he could ''not see anything that wauld qualify in that area. ''The truth is,'' he added, ''it's not against the law if we do not in a given year develop superior programming.'' NBC has made a strong recovery from its low point in 1981, when, under Mr. Tinker's predecessor, Fred Silverman, the network made $48.1 million in profits while ABC and CBS each made more than $300 million. Last year, NBC made $156.2 million. ''I would consider parity with the others - to be equal in profits - a success,'' said Mr. Tinker. ''A dollar measurement as opposed to a Nielsen measurement would be a success for us.''

Today was terrible. The writing officially sucks again.

Whoever is in charge should use this opportunity to give Robert and Holly a happy ending.

I doubt Guza would return. They don't have the budget for him. I also doubt they'd give him the creative control he'd want. He'd also be coming out of retirement. I don't think he's done anything since leaving GH 13 years ago.

Aww, no Ted #1 and Laken #1, nor Danny and Jade, nor Amy! And how about CC #3 and Gina #1! 😊

Maybe they made one of the actors the head writer. Actors have perennially dictated story on this show.

I recently saw Bethel Leslie on a late season 1 episode of The Fugitive from 1964 called "Storm Center." Her acting was excellent, but her character and the story unfortunately were not the best. Bethel did so many shows, but could it be that my favorite character I've seen her play is Maggie Powers?? I wish Retro would unearth the rest of her run, from 1966 and 1967. Maybe they could pair it with Bright Promise from the Bing Crosby vaults?? Didn't Retro make a big deal of getting a tape transfer machine and doing all the transfers themselves? There's still a lot of materiel out there that they can use that machine on!!

Today's show was very underwhelming. Anything special in the writing is long gone. The scenes with Anna and Valentine were particularly flat and silly. Something shocking would have been nice, like her actually turning him in or shooting him. Valentine is such a failed character; to ruin Anna over him is sad.

Connie Ford's greatest cinematic moment: I wonder if they ever tried paying homage to this on Another World. I guess there are scenes in the 80s of Ada and Nancy getting into it, but I don't think they ever had Ada slap one of her children like in this scene.

If they were going to put Cody with an older woman, they should have put him with Felicia. It doesn't seem that the writers are that invested in Felicia though, as she barely appears since the new writers came on. From watching the other day, I couldn't help but notice that the short scenes, with nothing happening except the actors looking at each other as if something smells, along with an occasional line to move the plot along, are back with a vengeance...

Sad how Joe and Rose Kelly were forgotten by the show, even with their name being on the show's main diner set all the way up to this year!

Given how many movies and quality TV shows she appeared in in the 50s and 60s, almost all of the great TV shows of the era, it's almost hard to believe that Connie Ford spent the last 25 years of her career on Another World.

Seems like so many folks associated with GH history are passing away.

I like Brooke Kerr. It's unfortunate the choices they've made for her character and who they pair her with.

With Ariana, she says in the YouTube comments for her first clip, when someone asked, that it was her mom who got one of the earlier versions of the VCR and was taping these clips in 1975. I would guess blank tapes back then used to record were expensive and probably held only an hour of material; which is why I doubt full episodes were taped; which is why they probably only taped her clips, when Ariana came on.

Guiding Light's Ross had some charm and a bit of underlying humor that allowed him to get away with being with a mother and a daughter at the same time. Drew has neither. Not sure the actor has the acting chops to prevent his character from seeming like a total creep and bad guy.

Episode 125 (1/23/85) has Cruz tell his spy boss that being a cop "is a hell of a lot more important than the assignments I've been getting from you people the last six months!" These assignments were barely shown on screen! Even Cruz can admit that the first six months of Santa Barbara have been pretty lame 🤣 The show is definitely more watchable in January 1985 than it was in 1984. But it's still being let down by poor casting choices. Episode 125 finally has a pay-off to the Mason/Veronica/Lionel story, and it's so lackluster and disappointing, mostly due to the poor acting of Andrea Howard as Veronica. Howard is a very beautiful woman, but she can hardly act her way out of a paper bag. She's totally incapable of giving her character any interior life. It's impossible to tell who she genuinely cares for, Mason or Lionel, as her reactions are all the same, blank and bland. Episode 125 also points up the failure of the Joe recast. New Joe and Cruz have none of the buddy chemistry that Joe and Cruz had with Dane in the role. They've even dressed up Mark Arnold in one of Dane's old denim outfits, and he just looks silly. Mark Arnold has no charisma; he just comes across as a bully to Cruz, Kelly, Peter, anyone. With the recast, it was probably for the best to kill Joe off, as he seems to have no purpose or appeal anymore; he's just shrill and has chemistry with nobody.

It's also hard to figure out the preemptions. For example, on the site, there is no 12/19/68. Is that a missing episode, or is it a preemption? If it's a preemption, is the preemption on the right date? The Another World Home Page says Another World was preempted on 12/24/68. Maybe that's the right date for the preemption of The Doctors too? I think there was at least one preemption for The Doctors in April 1968, but again, not sure of the exact date of it. The Another World Home Page has Another World being preempted on 4/4/68 and on 4/9/68. Maybe the Doctors, which aired right before it, was preempted those days too? But then the realgoodtv site has episodes for those dates. Again, it's confusing.

Episode 124 (1/22/85) has Cruz joining the police force. After almost 6 months, the show finally has a cop among its long-term contract players. It still doesn't have a doctor though! Very rare for a soap not to have contract players who are cops or doctors! I wonder how much of that was an oversight. Cruz was introduced in episode 11 as a worker on the oil rigs, an expert in fires and stuff. Then around episode 50, it's revealed he is really some sort of spy. But that goes nowhere; he has no real spy adventures. Now, all that's out; he's going to be what he always secretly wanted to be, a cop. Talk about rewrites. I wonder what the original plans were for Cruz. He's pretty much a background character throughout 1984. What was the point of making him a spy?