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Wow - it's great to read people enjoying those late 80s-early 90s years! That was AW to me. Anne Heche's Vicky (and Marley,) Carmen Duncan's Iris, VW, RKK, prime Cass/Frankie and Felicia, John and Sharlene, CRAZY Taylor...those were the days!

On 4/28/2023 at 11:45 PM, Vee said:

They care about avoiding a fine, which means they're not dumping 50 years of tapes or reels in the Hudson. I just don't think they care enough to do anything that requires any effort, vs. letting the material rot in some closet.

I realize you are very invested in believing the show's archive is gone for good and take it very personally that anyone would disagree with your scoop. We established this at least a year or two ago. What you fail to understand is that just like P&G doesn't care about these soaps, few of us here care enough about you to make this some sort of personal thing. I barely have any idea who you are; I would take this position with anyone who claimed P&G had somehow taken the time and effort to nuke the entire archive. It's just not something they realistically need to do vs. shutting the stuff away and forgetting it's somewhere. That's not a reflection on you, it's just my opinion about P&G. If you don't agree, that's fine. If you could stop showing up every 6-9 months solely to rage at strangers though, that would be great.

Again, am laughing at the thought that companies care about paying a fine. They only pay the fines if they get caught and even then, a good lawyer can get them out of practically anything that might seriously affect their bottom line. I agree though, they wouldn't dump them into the Hudson; they'd just throw them away in their giant bulk trash bins in individual bags that don't get checked by an anyone. They just go to a landfill..

And I don't have an investment in believing the show's archive is gone. It's just what I believe and makes the most sense to me. And has now been told to me by multiple sources with knowledge inside P&G. I don't take anything you say as a personal attack. Nor did I come at you with one. I just laughed at the thought of a company caring about disposing of waste properly as I know most of them don't. 

I'm on this forum practically every day; I don't just come to rage at strangers every 6-9 months. I just only post when I feel I have something to say. If you consider what I do raging, you must be an incredibly sensitive human being, which I would completely understand. I know many people like that. And, on the internet, just reading words with no inflections makes the reader add the inflection and meaning that they want. 

Peace to you. And in 20 years time, when this board is still posing the question "Why doesn't P&G put all of their shows on some streaming service or let a network like RetroTV have them, or send along clips to news outlets when their stars die?" I'll be over here knowing it's because it no longer exists. What's on YouTube is what we've got!

LOL at the thought that a corporation would care about ethically and safely disposing of material. Especially a company like P&G. And once everything was digitized around what 2007? It's super easy. You drag the files to "trash" and click "empty trash."

2 hours ago, Chris B said:

The P&G library came up in the recent interview with Michael Fairman, Carolyn Hinsey and Stephanie Sloane. They mentioned news organizations reaching out for Elizabeth Hubbard clips but were told “we don’t have it.” 

That's because they wiped everything! Why does everyone find that so hard to believe??!!! 

1 hour ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

 

I'm glad you had a positive experience. Thanks for letting us know. I've been trying to order but they don't answer my emails which made me think they weren't professional and, therefore, not reliable. I'd hate to send a lot of money to someone who didn't answer emails. 

That makes absolute sense - totally understand that. I'm surprised they didn't answer your emails though. Once I received mine and handpicked 20-30 episodes to start and make sure everything looked good, I emailed them and thanked them for sending them and they responded to me almost immediately. I wonder if they're scared of being caught by someone in a position of power who actually cares that they're sending out these episodes? (Which means they have no understanding whatsoever of Procter and Gamble. )

On 4/21/2023 at 12:09 PM, Reverend Ruthledge said:

I'd be careful with ordering things from them. They don't seem to be very professional and I question their authenticity. 

I actually bought these immediately upon seeing the original post weeks back. If you look further into the website, it's an absolutely reputable company that takes people's old home movies from VHS and digitizes them. Can people do that themselves nowadays? Yes, but not everyone knows how or cares to learn.

That "As The World Still Turns" woman was trying to originally sell her ATWT videos at exorbitant prices - somewhere around $700 for the 80s decade to $1200 for the '00s. That was insane.

This company knows it's illegal to sell content you don't own. So all they charge you for ($312 was my cost with a discount code) is the cost of their services for transferring the files onto a hard drive, as well as paying for hard drive itself, and the postage to send it to you.

I now happily own every episode of ATWT that's on YouTube. Could I have downloaded it all myself? Yes. Would I rather pay someone else a few hundred dollars to go through the hassle of doing it for me? YES!

Now, should YouTube ever seriously crackdown and these videos disappear, I'll have them forever. Am mostly worried about my waning years as I have an 85% chance of having Alzhemeir's according to an MRI that was done - no surprise. The disease runs throughout my family. So now, if I'm stuck in an Alzheimer's ward during my dottage, all I'll need is a laptop and that hard drive and I can happily live in Oakdale. Cuz we all know how that disease works - I won't be able to remember my husband's name or who he is, but I'll still be able to tell you every citizen of Oakdale.

Bottom line - if you want to own the episodes in case they disappear and don't want to go through the trouble of downloading 6,000 video files from YouTube, I found it to be well worth the cost. 

6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Sable was sympathetic even when she was doing something wrong...because her heart was in the right place.

I always wondered how season 3 of The Colby's would have fared.

Most likely Jeff/Fallon would have had issues due to the UFO situation..which Miles would take advantage of in order to worm his way back in with Fallon..while dealing with his wife Channing.

And I imagine Sable would have been caught..and a possible custody battle would occur.  And I do think the adopted mom Adrienne would have aligned with Zachary to keep custody.  She was almost the Claudia of the show.

I've so often wondered what Season 3 would look like. I agree with all of your takes except Jeff/Fallon. Fallon would never have gone up in a UFO had Aaron Spelling not had the show killed. Catherine Oxenberg got fired from Dynasty which means there was no Carrington daughter. Both Joan Collins and Aaron Spelling had used The Colbys as a scapegoat for Dynasty's falling ratings. When Spelling made it clear he needed Fallon (and Jeff) back on Dynasty, the writers ended the entire series with Fallon going up in the UFO as a giant middle finger to Spelling if he cancelled it. "You want your precious Fallon back? There you go. Take her!" And they knew Dynasty couldn't say it was "a dream" because Dallas had just done it.

On 1/11/2023 at 1:06 PM, Fevuh said:

Unpopular opinion, Hunt Block was smokin'.

Agreed! And he had chemistry with everyone. I can understand why people enjoyed Scott Bryce - having see so much of the 80s/90s, I like him as well -  but one thing that can be said about him: he was in no way smokin'.

On 11/24/2022 at 11:53 PM, Vee said:

Imagine showing up to troll people about 40 year old magazine articles on Falcon Crest on Thanksgiving.

Hmmmmmm. "Troll" or "call people out on their delusion that the way they think about something is the ONLY way anyone should think." Po-TAY-to, Po-TAH-to 

On 11/22/2022 at 7:24 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

(*whispers*) Thread killa.

Truth teller. 

On 11/22/2022 at 7:24 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

(*whispers*) Thread killa.

15 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

People liked Maggie and Richard together? Ewwww lol

Yes! Can you believe it? People felt differently about a storyline than you did. (Or maybe this entire limited-thinking board does?) People have different experiences than you about a story. My God! I feel the earth…move…under my feet…

On 11/7/2022 at 5:34 PM, DRW50 said:

I never thought Annie Parisse could act. It's easier to play "crazy" and of course Sheffer loved seeing women degraded and destroyed, so that's what we got. I thought the material was utterly embarrassing trash, and was one of the reasons I stopped watching the show for good around that point.

The millions of us who've had the pleasure of seeing her in, I think 5 Broadway shows (maybe 6) would disagree about your opinion on whether or not she could act. She is a spectacular actress which an incredible range of emotion and types of characters she can play. Julia's descent into madness was such an enjoyable storyline to watch, mostly because of her performance. Now, I do agree they brought her back one too many times, but that's what you do when the entire cast, crew, writing staff, etc. love an actor. They happily bring them back whenever the actor wants to return.

Thanks @Brolden for recognizing how long I've been a part of this board. I haven't posted much in about 5 years now simply because people on here seem to like to argue just for the sake of it. I used to post a lot - not just about my watching the Marland era on YouTube for the first time; I also posted about my experience of watching Ryan's Hope on SoapNet (and then YouTube once that turned into Disney Teen or whatever it did) and my experience (mine - others may have different ones) on this board was this:

If someone is discussing why they love the 2000s ATWT, people comment on what crap that is and the show was far better in the 90s. If you're discussing why you love the 90s, people comment on what crap that is and the show was far better in the early-Marland years (not those dreadful depressing 90s years.) If you're discussing the early-Marland years, people comment on what crap that is and the show was at its best in the mythical, unwatchable 1970s. On that, everyone seems to agree.

Ryan's Hope was the same. (Don't even get me started on Another World.) The only characters posters seem to like are Maeve and (only IK's, of course) Delia. People hate Frank, they hate Jill, they hate Hope, they hate Roger...sometimes I just wonder...what do people on this board LIKE about soap operas? Why are you still discussing things to this day just to hate on something. I mean, I know, for some people "hate watching" is a thing but I don't do that. I watch things because I like them.

I've started watching Santa Barbara - God, try that thread to see how much people poop all over that. I just don't get it. That's why I stay away from the board. That's why I only come on if I feel I have something to actually share that could be new information. I shall do my very best to refrain from posting in the future.

I scroll through things here to find out how to watch classic soaps - that's the only reason I read the board but I don't comment on the infuriating posts - that's why you don't hear from me much. I don't have much nice things to say about this board so I just don't engage. Coming on to share, what was to me, a new piece of information turned me into a "troll." Hateful, hateful people.

On 9/2/2022 at 9:34 PM, Tonksadora said:

That fellow, the one with the Colleen rumor who thought he knew better than anyone else when he was really in over his head, did anyone know who he was?

And, #2, I had the pleasure of eating pizza & playing board games on some few occasions with people including Lesli Kay & her husband & I really liked her. Very real, smart as a whip, very competitive but everyone was. Long ago. Nice memory.

And, Roger had said that they were gonna do AW next so I'm still mad that the plug got pulled!

I'm simply a human being who shared the information Colleen gave me and I regret it. I thought it would help people let the idea go that ATWT will ever see the light of day again. Instead, it just proved what a s h i t show this board truly is.

21 hours ago, althea-davis said:

I just got a membership on RetroTV to watch The Doctors & I'm liking it a lot so far.  I like Rita Lakin's writing style. It's barebones but also crisp somehow. Nick seems so pompous. I actually prefer Dr. Rice over him. I gather Nick was a fan favorite but so far, I can't stand him. Will he evolve over time, or does he stay as unlikeable as he appears to be right now during the tale of knocked up Althea?

Speaking of Althea, Elizabeth Hubbard is just so good. I can see a little of Lucinda in her but yet the character is different enough from her ATWT one that I don't get them confused. I really like Maggie. Bethel Leslie is in the role right now and I am going to hate to lose her in the next several months or so.

Great show! 

I feel like Nick is a similar character to Jack Fenelli on Ryan's Hope - he's gruff and blustery but that's just a cover for his soft, gooey inside.

Liz Hubbard really is great in the role and I agree - she's different than Lucinda other than whatever part of both roles are "her" that she put into them. I hope you enjoy watching the show. Am currently in Aug '69

On 8/18/2022 at 7:28 PM, Broderick said:

It's only "valuable" if it's proven to be accurate.  (And no, SONY hasn't put any Y&R "out there"; in fact, old episodes of Y&R, uploaded by fans who have recordings, are frequently removed from internet channels due to "copyright infringement". )  

Y&R airs on Pluto TV. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

OMG - you all are HYSTERICALLY funny. You whine and moan and complain about P&G for the decade I've been following this board (I don't ever post because y'all have some serious issues) and I, in good faith, come on to share news from Colleen - news that makes PERFECT sense since absolutely NOTHING has happened with any of their soaps for a decade when other product is being put out there (The Doctors, B&B, Y&R) and suddenly now y'all think P&G is a stand-up company that wouldn't do such a thing. It's just laughable. Absolutely laughable.

It wouldn't cost anything to wipe the episodes. You throw away VHS tapes and hit the "delete"button on digital copies. P&G is still around; however, P&G Entertainment, which is what produced the soaps no longer exists as a company and hasn't for over a decade. My friend who writes for General Hospital is absolutely right when he says "don't even try to communicate with so called-fans. They're a bunch of bitter nobody's who think they would know how to deal with corporate executives and budgets and deadlines and actors leaving and returning all while trying to write 5 episodes a week."

I'm done with y'all - that's why I only pop on every once in a while if I have something of value to add to a conversation. Except there IS no conversation. Just banging my head against a wall.

Um....P&G probably threw away the VHS tapes (as I threw away 300+ cassettes I was holding onto 2 years ago) and, with the push of a few buttons, can digitally erase every digital ATWT files. It cracks me up at the lengths people will go to on this board to hold on to the delusion P&G's soaps will ever see the light of day. 

And, no, Colleen didn't tell me they just wiped ATWT. They wiped GL, SFT, AW...every soap opera they had. Someone high up in the parent company (because the company that made the soaps, P&G entertainment, hasn't existed for over a decade) has such a hatred of soap operas, they wanted to delete everything they had. It made them feel better. That's what small, petty, corporate American people do. I've known many of them. Men with tiny d!cks that want to prove their power.

3 hours ago, antmunoz said:

Dear God!  I’m sitting on a GOLDMINE!!! I have them ALL. 

You'd be sitting on a goldmine if you had good quality episodes of every episode of ATWT, AW, SFT, GL and whatever else was P&G. Literally, all of that was destroyed. As @I Am A Swede said earlier, it was a petty thing for P&G to do. But whoever is in charge of P&G, clearly hated soap operas and although I'm still shocked from hearing the news, I shouldn't be surprised. But I am. It's just such a lost of television history.

Even some episodes do get found - for example, other countries could have tapes in their basement. The BBC wiped out all of the 1960s television but they way they got a lot of it back was because they had sold their programming to so many countries, they were able to retrieve a lot of them. But P&G would just destroy whatever is found. The company P&G Entertainment, which produced all the shows, no longer exists, and P&G itself (whoever runs it) obviously wants all records of their time producing soaps to be erased from history.

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Oh I'm not doubting you, it's just these things go through so many channels and layers, I hope we will hear more someday.

It was nice of you to donate to Trent's theater  company and I'm glad you enjoyed the call.

Well, his theater company is only 25 min from where I moved in upstate NY so I've done what I can. Their first production was Oleanna by David Mamet and it was fantastic. They have staged readings and a film festival - doing everything they can to get a theater company going that was supposed to open its first production months into the pandemic. 

I don't know if anyone is aware but there was a larger Zoom reunion beforehand - mostly with people this board hates, I imagine, cuz they're from the last decade. Trent, Colleen, Van Hansis, Ellen Dolan, Jennifer Ferrin, Mark Collier, Michael Park and Maura West. It was wonderful seeing how much they all still loved each other and they shared some pretty great memories for those of us who loved watching them perform together.

3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I want to get more word on that, but even if it is true, sadly I had accepted a long time ago we were never seeing of that anyway. The only thing to hope for is that eventually some type of ardent support system can exist to find old soap material along the lines of those that exist to find other old TV content, and try to find every last scrap of stuff floating around that we  can. 

All I can tell you is what Colleen told me. She knew Roger very well and was in the room with him as he digitized many of the episodes. He told her when they took back the rights that they intended on wiping everything as they wanted absolutely nothing to do with the soap opera genre anymore. So much so, they didn't even want it to exist. P&G Entertainment was a spin-off company of P&G. We've all known that they wanted out of the soap business. I was just shocked to hear that they wanted out so badly that everything was wiped. Whether it's true or not, Colleen definitely believes it to be true. I was gobsmacked. She said she was too when she found out. We commiserated a while and moved on to happier topics.

I'm going to put this here (bad news - please don't shoot the messenger) because I'm--obviously from my avatar--a huge ATWT fan. But I was a fan of many the P&G soaps. I figure from here it can spread around the board.

I just got off a Zoom call with Trent Dawson and Colleen Zenk - I donated to Trent's theater company to get the call - and Colleen gave me the most disheartening, gut-wrenching news. P&G wiped EVERYTHING. Once Roger Newcomb, who had been hired to digitize and get all of those DVDs out in...what? 2012? 2013?...anyway, once that went south and P&G took the rights back, they destroyed every tape/digital copy of all of their programming. They wanted nothing to do with those soap operas ever again.

So unfortunately--but at least now fans can stop wondering why--they will never see the light of day. They're gone. Colleen and I both talked about what an absolute loss and waste that is for television history. I'm still sitting here mindblown. So what we've got on YouTube is all we've got and will ever have. Cherish it!

On 2/23/2022 at 5:37 PM, Joseph said:

we all know the whole thing is on youtube right?

It's also available for purchase on DVD via Shout! Factory in much better quality.

17 hours ago, TVFAN1144 said:

I was hoping she would say why she decided to go back to North Carolina and what she has been doing there.

She did. It's where she grew up. She simply moved back home now that she's retired. It's a pretty common thing most people in show business do once they retire and leave the industry.

17 hours ago, TVFAN1144 said:

I was hoping she would say why she decided to go back to North Carolina and what she has been doing there.

She did. It's where she grew up. She simply moved back home now that she's retired. It's a pretty common thing most people in show business do once they retire and leave the industry.