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I honestly love that idea for Jackie. Broderick also projects older than both Gilbert and Goranson to me.
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She did - they weren't always great hires, but she did. One hire allegedly led to the infamous "Who Jackie?" meme Norm Macdonald spawned years ago which... I am not linking to, but good luck down that rabbit hole. And I'm not excusing that awful behavior. She was a terror to deal with. But she also, for better or worse behavior, made the show what it became. Her attention to detail, even her mania over it often helped the legitimacy of the scripts and characters. Until it didn't and became toxic.
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, Khan, but in fairness Roseanne usually was the de facto female showrunner at the old show. Her word was law at the show above all, and she dumped countless EPs. She also did employ a lot of women and yes, a fair few minorities in the writers' room - not enough, but more than was the norm I believe for the late '80s through the early-mid '90s on a hit network sitcom not belonging to FOX. I also felt that for the first 4-5 years the minority presence on the show was pretty solid - again, for the times and a show of that era. James Pickens, Adilah Barnes, etc. all recurred often. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it also sure wasn't Full House or Friends or Coach - or even Cheers.
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Lecy talks her reaction to what happened with Roseanne - 'we're screwed': I understand her conflict on Roseanne (who she's known since childhood) and not wanting to believe that woman is a racist while acknowledging the vile racism of her statement - I don't agree with it, but I get it. I personally think Roseanne has become a racist for a variety of reasons while still holding many contradictory ideas in her mind, and I think it's sad. And I'm not surprised that they haven't spoken since.
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I think Seasons 6 and even 7 have some good stuff. I think 7-8 are mostly a wash with a few exceptions. I think the show always chafed at the traditional sitcom stuff in S1. It's fine, but it's not as good as it started to become by the end of the year going into Season 2. As for Jackie, I know they were hoping to get Clooney to do another return as Booker last season and I still hope they can. I do wonder if we'll get to see Lonnie or Crystal's son with Ed (I can't remember the name - Ed Jr.?). It wouldn't surprise me since they've already dug as deep as Chuck and Anne-Marie. Last I recall seeing Lonnie was in the ep when Dan and Ed reconciled in... Season 7?
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He doesn't come from a poor home, though. They had a life of privilege in Chicago until Darlene lost her publishing job.
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More press: There's a preview for next week in the above.
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He's better than he used to be; his scene with Dan last season alluding to his PTSD and talking about the VA was pretty good. I like him so much IRL that I'm fine with him getting more with Geena and the kid going forward even if he's a little dodgy. Incidentally, future developments with D.J., Geena, etc. can be seen here: A BTS featurette:
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The press seems to like the premiere/revamp a lot, so I don't think it's that. I do think the tone of the coverage on the numbers has fluctuated and shifted from negative to more positive. Social media, OTOH, has been inundated with right wing attacks on it by trolls/Russians. I think that will die down in time.
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Lecy and Michael on The View:
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More numbers: Deadline's earlier story was also updated:
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And in fact, the last pill stash Darlene found in the icebox is the exact same one Roseanne was shown to have hidden from Dan last season, after he thought he'd found them all.
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I think Nancy appeared once at a ladies' poker game IIRC, talking about her latest girlfriend. I don't know if she'd appear again, as Sandra Bernhard was very vocally fed up with Roseanne's RL antics after what happened with the cancellation. I hope so. I don't remember seeing Leon at all. Did that happen? I'd like to see him at least once, yes, for Mark.
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They talked about bringing Andy (and Jerry) in eventually last season, people. He exists.
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The ratings are not as big as last season's premiere, but they are apparently solid and what was expected by ABC - though down 35% from the season premiere in the spring.- "The Conners" Discussion Thread
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Darlene and Jackie just killed me. "I don't wanna leave this house because I don't wanna leave her." I'm so dim re: Mark above - I like how it resolved with Dan helping him, and how the emerging gay consciousness sublimated for a young child into the two boys being his 'seatmates.'- "The Conners" Discussion Thread
Moving this down so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle: They're going there with Mark (Jr.) and it still gets me - yep, he's gay. I'm not sure I understand the Enrique and Joey situation though - what, are these seemingly str8 little boys vying for his affection? Does this happen in the fourth grade now? I'm old. Maybe it's addressed later in the ep. Mary Steenburgen could be up for a guest Emmy for that one scene - Jesus. (And for people asking, no she does not always look/sound like that lol - she is made up to look haggard and is clearly playing drunk/drugged. IRL she is still stunningly beautiful.)- "The Conners" Discussion Thread
This is raw as hell so far and as good as any dramatic ep of the original show. I've said this before, but Lecy's comic timing has gotten wonderfully dry/deadpan as she's gotten older with that deep voice. She can still do Becky's abject, aghast horror at her family very well, but the dry stuff really kills me too. "I thought about what I said and it was insulting and dismissive. I see that now because I need a ride to work." They talked about using Andy, etc. in Season 11 of the revival, and I assume we will see him eventually. Jerry, who knows? We know he exists. Chuck at the restaurant with Dan! I am so glad they've given Chuck, Crystal, Anne-Marie larger recurring roles with the revival this year. Those characters fell away in the later seasons of the old show but they're back pretty often now.- "The Conners" Discussion Thread
Having Crystal/Natalie West in the very first scene with the family as they downed all the food from well-wishers was a shock and very important to me. The OD reveal was absolutely gutwrenching to watch. This is actually another reason I think people should watch some of Season 10, not just because it was good but because a lot of plot seeds were there - at least eps 2, 8 and 9, which further certain running plot elements like the opioid addiction, Roseanne's knee, Dan's business, etc. Marcy Bellinger was mentioned before this week. Dan: "This doesn't make any sense. I fixed her knee." God. Becky saying she can't handle the whole issue again after Mark was touching.- "The Conners" Discussion Thread
You can always still watch the show on ABC.com, Carl! Or Hulu! Or Couchtuner- The Politics Thread
I'm sure Bernie will get right on this. - "The Conners" Discussion Thread
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