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4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I really didn't think there were Sonny/Nina stans.  They were okay, but not the second coming of Sonny/Brenda or even Sonny/Carly.  Lol

Twitter will find a rabid fanbase for every poor to mid couple, apparently! I don't understand how Michael and Willow have any fans.

I've only seen part of today's but I will say I thought the sex scene was both hot and pretty charged up dialogue-wise. I haven't seen a GH scene like that in a hot minute, this show has been so tame and sexless for so long. It helps that CW and CM both come from one of the last generations of soap actors who knew how to fúck onscreen. When you've got Twitter stans wailing and rending their garments over 'porn dialogue' it's a good day for me.

2 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Nina and Drew have been on the road to hot hate f.ucking since PM/EK took over, lol. 

The amount of loud-ass social media people who act like Sonny and Nina were some couple for the ages baffle me. You know you don't have to get overinvested on some mid couples just to be a fan of the show, right?

Lord these Twitter people are weird. Drew and Nina are both delusional and hot people, sorry, it is what it is. I didn't expect it so soon (and today sounds like a real bonkers episode) but I'm here for it.

CM appears to have posted on-set footage of Drew and Nina having some sort of squabble with him half-dressed and her possibly in a bra on his social media. Looks like those two are happening to me.

Amazed y'all thought they were actually going to get these daytime stars fully nude in the 2020s.

I think there's a difference between highlighting the usual bullshít Axios, etc. loves to do and believing it will definitely connect and succeed in swaying enough key voters. (I'm not saying DRW is doing the latter either.) I think it's important to do the first thing, but also important to recognize Axios and Politico are often left looking foolish when they try to sway the latter, especially in the last 5-10 years, outside of anywhere but the Beltway. They went all in on red waves more than once in the last five years that did not happen, and they will again in future I'm sure.

The Beltway loves to wishcast for the election cycle or Trump they want to see. The difference between now and 2016 is that his base has degraded from that size, continues to degrade, and meanwhile the burnout left is just not as big or as intractable as it was almost 10 years ago either. A lot of the very loud far left voices and followings online are ultimately paper tigers, or are oversampled by media hit pieces that always love to try to gin up major 'divisions among the Dem base' when most of those people don't vote period. And that media strategy has happened over and over.

49 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Speaking of dog whistles, I am blatantly bumping this up as this may have gotten lost in the thread shuffle.

Doesn't surprise me at all.

I also have a hard time believing Jason doesn't know who Jagger Cates is and couldn't do the minimal digging after he got drafted by the feds (I also thought they shared scenes in NS2). But I honestly don't care enough to be bothered, it's a reasonable enough storyline and Jason has rarely cared about much outside of the immediate mob orbit in the last 25 years.

30 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I still am curious why the show felt the need to bring Jagger back at all as AH could have played this character as someone new and done the same things.  Being mad at Sonny for something that happened years ago and knowing Jason in high school doesn't really have much impact on the story thus far.  An FBI agent doesn't need a deep seeded reason to hate Sonny/Jason.  He could just hate them because, you know, they are criminals lol.

When he was first brought back I think it was just another dumb easter egg thing for fans who jizz over literally any connection to the past regardless of whether the idea is any good. I don't think it was that deep lol. I do think they're making the best of it at present. I still see no need for a long-term role.

4 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Oh, both of those would've been magic in casting. But Paul Anthony Stewart seems happy in New York with his partner, so that'd be a no-go, although, it'd be awesome to see him reunite with Laura Wright once again.

Yeah, I thought it was unlikely with PAS for those reasons but I would've taken a swing if I was FV.

2 minutes ago, dc11786 said:

I don't hate Adam Harrington, but even though Anthony Sabato, Jr. wasn't the strongest of thespians I always feel there is a level of pain just below the surface with his performance (whether it is missing his brother and sister or pining for Karen). I just find Harrington rather cold. He seems more than competent, but John Cates feels like a different person than Jagger.

I am also curious to see how Mulcahey handles Carly without Bobbie. One of the strongest moments I saw in the last couple weeks (of many strong moments) was Carly trying to recount seeing Jason and discussing how she had to tell him Bobbie had died. 

I have begun to wonder based on LW's public comments if they're not actually pairing them up again, which would be very intriguing since there's been a lot of internal exploration of Jason and his effect on his family and loved ones instead lately. Reconceiving both characters is badly needed IMO.

I have zero interest in Wagger and Carly, but AH has done a very strong job IMO with better scripts recently and there is a tick of chemistry. I still feel this would come off better for me with an actor similar in look to Sabato, like Paul Anthony Stewart or Jordi Vilasuso.

9 minutes ago, dc11786 said:

Ok. I noticed that O'Connor & Van Etten were basically credited for 64 or so (I'm sure there were premptions somewhere in there) episodes in 2023-2024 after the end of the strike, which is just short of 13 weeks. Do we think that they had to wait a certain period of time because of the strike to pull this writers switch? Also, in that case, who's idea was the return of Jagger since he seems pretty tied to Jason's current situation?

I have no idea. I suspect Wagger (White Jagger, as I will always call him) was a pre-PM/EK move because he tended to do nothing but wander around mouthing clumsy expository dialogue til the writing change.

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None of what you stated that was planned for Jason's return sounds anywhere near interesting. lol That said, the current situation seems very pro Jason / Carly, but maybe I am just not used to post-Riche (or even late stage Riche) GH to understand the dynamics between Carly and Jason. Not that I really care one way or another. Jason seems like a necessary evil, like Sonny.

PM and EK both wrote a ton for classic Jason and Carly in the mid-late '90s. PM in particular has expounded at length about becoming enchanted with Sarah Brown when she was hired, and writing a ton of her material while the character remained controversial BTS from the jump (apparently because of concerns about a message re: adoption). These writers created their very hot and heavy friends with benefits relationship in '96. I think they wrote their best work, and I do think they've taken pains to start putting Jason in particular back to basics in some ways (living above Kelly's). I generally always want Jason exterminated and/or gone and have little use for him myself, but I agree he's a necessary evil and do think the material thus far has been pretty compelling and I will give Steve credit for actually showing up to act so far this time. LW always sells her share of the work of course, but it's not the same for me without Sarah Brown and I will be curious to see how Mulcahey adjusts, as he wrote entirely for Sarah's Carly and was extremely fond of the actor who he helped craft Carly with.

I agree about Drew/Nina - I wasn't expecting it to work at all, and I generally have no use for either character up til now. I also love Ava being (presumably) returned to her darker roots with Sonny.

I personally think the scripts have leveled up a lot over the last month - it was a notable jump from very bland, colorless expository dialogue and stuff that had real bite and intelligence, and longer scenes about character. It does help that they notably seem to be firing a number of people and there are also notably fewer breakdown writers credited lately, which means I believe that the HWs are doing it.

8 minutes ago, dc11786 said:

So are we to assume anything related to Jason's return was Korte and Mulcahey? Was O'Connor and Van Etten's plan for Jason different or was the general outline supposedly kept?

According to Errol and others, yes. My understanding is the original C&D pitch for Jason's return involved more brainwashing, undead villains (not Valentin but possibly Jennifer Smith and somehow Susan Moore), possibly a resurrected Morgan, etc. Valentin dismissing the "Stone" clue the other day was their dispensing with some of that groundwork from the prior writers (Stone was Morgan's middle name).

Wagger's big speech about Sonny is on the first Tuesday or Wednesday of March, right after Steve's first airdate - which I think is the same day Dante gets shot. Mulcahey/Korte really started with Steve on 3/3(?), and maybe tweaked a bit the week or two before, but their official credited start was the 15th.

The GH rumor mill is a lot poorer than it used to be, lol. I remember in the 2000s folks were wired tf in for the ABC soaps, GH and OLTL especially. From what I can see today it's mostly fanbases and wishcasting/fanfic now (I checked the Datalounge for the first time in over a decade and honestly it looks like all they have for 'dish' now is people vacuuming up random spec from Twitter or here and calling it rumors, sad). But there is talk of cast cuts floating around, finally. Just dunno who. I frankly don't find much reliable online anymore.

5 minutes ago, j swift said:

But, did Mackenzie die in the bomb?

And was her husband the one that Jane and Sydney killed in self-defense, but then it wound up that he wasn't really dead?

Yes and yes. She was on a handful of episodes at best.

11 hours ago, DRW50 said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/08/trump-says-abortion-is-up-to-the-states-declines-to-endorse-national-limit-00151022

Get ready for all the backflips from the "liberal" media about how smart and brave and savvy Trump is, along with the dead end leftists praising him and saying he is more progressive on choice than Biden and the Democrats. 

It'll just be the same old song and dance: A few hours at best of breathless excitement by the Beltway claiming Trump is 'pivoting' and then the reality sets in and they just live with it. No real voters are going to be fooled.

6 minutes ago, j swift said:

I don't know why, but I always thought Hunter Tylo was cast to appear as the woman who wound up getting killed when Marcia Cross's character tried to blow up the building.  I think the part wound up being played by Morgan Britany, and she was the wife of a character who one of the female leads was having an affair with (maybe Jane?)

No, that was never supposed to be Hunter. She was only supposed to play Taylor McBride. Morgan Brittany's character (Mackenzie Hart) was short-term and two years before.

The bombing footage was delayed from the S3 finale to the S4 premiere because of the Oklahoma City bombing.

@DRW50 Mark Frost is interviewed for an anniversary. Interesting stuff re: S3 and the books.

Also, Lynch discusses an animated project and (typically) cryptically mentions future plans.

The '90s Hunter Tylo I remember was not the one from the later years. Still, I can't see her as Taylor either.

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Am I the only one who can't imagine Tylo as Taylor at all?  Even early Taylor before she became wacky?  Lisa Rinna has such a different vibe and different strengths as an actress.  Of course, once they fired Hunter the character could have changed to fit Lisa more, but I can never picture HT as Taylor.

I definitely can't, and I've tried.

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

What some of us could already surmise. From WAPO:

‘Increasingly chaotic’: Why House Republicans are heading for the exits

Been suspecting this for awhile. This is a free link BTW, no paywall (thanks).

48 minutes ago, dc11786 said:

I started the week of Mulcahey/Korte so I only saw about four episodes with the previous writers. I felt there was such a shift in the writing on that Friday. A lot of those family scenes seemed very paper thin. I wasn't sure if it was the writing or the unfamiliarity of the actors playing material that was emotional. On Friday, everything sounded more rounded and  deeper. There were some stand out scenes, but I just assumed that Korte was probably doctoring the material because she was already on the staff. The way Laura treated Heather on the Wednesday episode and the Friday episode was vastly different that's why I wasn't sure if this was something they would pursue or not. 

I think the Quartermaine family is one of the areas of the show that needs work. I am glad they are starting with Tracy and Brook Lynn, but I would like to see a little more put into trying to make them a cohesive family again. 

Assuming you mean 3/15, what I will say is if you can find it there's definitely stuff in the first week of March and the last of February that is very redolent of the changes we're still seeing now - particularly Scout's birthday party at the Qs where they brought unlikely family connections together (Alexis/Drew, Sam/Willow, Aunt Willow running herd on Danny and Jake's growing issues, etc.) and the incredible scene Wagger/Jagger/John had on the first Tuesday of March excoriating Sonny and his PCPD apologists at the warehouse hit. They've been putting their stamp on stuff for over a month, but yes, the official tenure started less than a month ago.

Ava has got Faith Rosco bangs and a slutty 2000s blouse in the promo and I'm all for it.