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Most of 2001 is extremely painful. Not only the Roy/Melissa show. The aforementioned Endgame, Angel, the Lucky story just to name a few things that year. JFP was lucky to keep her job at all. I still always question the reasoning in hiring leads from failed shows to lead another show. It works in some cases, but their star powering wasn't enough to keep their show on the air. You can't just plop them on a new show with a long history and hope it translates.

Correct. I really do think JFP is intelligent in some aspects of running a show, but the favoritism and misogyny is real with her. GH also had an embarrassment of popular leads to choose from at the time. It was unnecessary to shift to newbies like Roy/Melissa. In 2001 people weren't even that sick of Sonny, Jason, or Luke yet and there were a lot of vets (in JB's age range) just waiting for story while Melissa took over the show.

Thanks. That checks out with the last time I recall seeing him. I remember him flipping on Alcazar. I can't say I particularly cared for Roy. I do remember liking him with Laura and their friendship. He definitely worked better in a supporting role. Even if I ignore JFP's annoying propping of AM, the character of Roy just wasn't strong enough to lead.

What ended up happening to Roy? I know they gave him Hannah as a daughter, and he was dating Felicia and then he was gone. Did he just leave town? The last time I remember seeing him was during the very beginning of the Brenda returns story and he was working for Alcazar and still with Felicia. I am sure he most have gotten some exit or ending to the character. I guess it shows how little minor the character became if I haven't even questioned where he went until today lol.

I don't think it helped that Nik, Gia and Lucky were the only younger ones involved. This could have been a passing of the torch adventure moment, but it was more like 80's stars reliving their glory years with a side of Jax because the show had no idea what to do with him.

Understood. I am sorry it is a triggering topic for you. I could have worded my initial post better.

OMG! I am not arguing if Sami was raped or not. I know she was. I have never said it was consensual. I was just saying how it was presented at Lucas/Sami's wedding. A photo or video came out and it looked like she slept with EJ willingly. Sami told Lucas the truth immediately. I don't need a PSA on sexual assault. Thanks though.

Steve Burton has three kids. Mo has 4. That's pretty normal? They are mostly adults at this point anyhow.

I know. I apologize.

You know they might have just been together at the time. I think the fact she was raped/slept with EJ came out at Lucas and Sami's wedding.

Sami was married or engaged? to Lucas at the time.

I mean, there are valid points here and decent perspectives. I just can't believe Johnny or Allie thought it was normal to be twins and have two different dads. That's extremely, extremely rare. Half siblings is one thing, but sharing the same womb at the same time and not asking anything at all is unbelievable to me. Even if every adult kept quiet they had to have some friends or classmates at least ask them about it. It is Days though, so whatever. It just screams a bit of laziness to me. Maybe they will delve further into it tomorrow.

I doubt GH would even be capable of writing this well, but I could see Jason/Lois bonding when both their secrets come out and they are ostracized by those closest to them.

Right? Thank you. Obviously keep the rape out of it, but how do you explain it in a way that doesn't make Sami look bad? Or make it seem somewhat normal?

I know this will probably be unpopular, but I might try Jason with Lois. Lois has already been thrown under the bus for this whole Gio storyline and I do remember Lois/Jason having some nice scenes in the 90's. If you pivot Jason out of the mob quietly or if Jason secretly confides in Lois about Sasha/Michael/the baby it might work. They could bond over baby secrets. I know, I am really reaching here lol.

I was more replying to @j swift not you. Anyhow, I am fine assuming there was a pact made off screen at some point. It does make sense. I just wish Kate delved into what they all told Allie/Johnny when they were old enough to ask questions about how they were conceived. I am not upset with them for not mentioning the rape, but more curious how they explained it all to them.

I think the pact was to keep the rape a secret-not the fact they had two different fathers. Allie and Johnny are grown adults. Allie is a mother. Someone had to explain something to them about having two different fathers and why and I doubt it was just your mother is kind of slutty lol. Johnny may be dense but I assume he would question something as simple as biology at some point in his life. The script did nothing to answer that problem for me. I really felt like this was the first time in Johnny's nearly 30 year old life that he even wondered about the whole situation. The reveal was fine, but the entire concept of him not knowing Lucas/Sami were married at the time he was conceived is lazy.

Poor Chloe lol. I really wonder if the show would have been better served just ending the Cassadine/Spencer feud right then and there. Sure, you could keep Alexis and Nik. I just don't know if Helena and Stravos's random machinations and reappearances have ever helped anything. I suppose it's better than the Cyrus, Sidwell, and other random villains of the year. Don't even get me started with the Jerry Jacks is the criminal mastermind of everything era.

I feel like Chloe was involved as well, but honestly she may have already died. I always forget if Stefan, Stavros or Helena killed her. IIRC, didn't they all escape and Luke was left alone to push Stavros into the pit? So they literally were no help at all.

True. For some reason I vividly remember Jax and Scotty being a part of it and thinking how are these two fools going to help? That was also a weird Jax period where he was heavily involved with the Cassadines and I still don't really get that whole era for him. But that has nothing to do with this story.

I have no doubt Tony has a much better grasp of the Luke character and the shows history, but he also tends to go a bit rogue. Like the Luke was always stifled by Laura and his family nonsense. Without seeing it or even hearing a brief synopsis from Tony's side I am going to say they both weren't great stories. A Robert Scorpio return and the intention to finally end the Cassadine/Spencer feud does sway me slightly in Tony's favor. Wasn't a lot of Endgame edited due to 9/11? I sound like I am supporting MM here more than I want to, but it was probably a story that was just doomed from the start due to real life circumstances.

I am pretty sure Steve is very well off even with the divorce. I remember hearing or reading years ago he was wise with his money and investments. Plus, he made a ton of money with his Monavie shill. I think he's okay to retire. Mo is also someone who I believe is financially sound enough to retire. I know the state of the nation is crazy right now, but both these guys have been steadily working for decades.

I don't think they are keeping MB because of his mental health issues only. I honestly doubt MB's employment has ever been in question in the last 20 years by TPTB at least. If Frank or whoever wanted Sonny or Mo gone he would have been sidelined like the show did with KeMo/Sam for years before cutting the cord. I think Steve is giving it more effort this time around.

Probably. It's not like he's even actively tanking the Natalia pairing. He just clearly doesn't care and like the audience knows this romance is extremely temporary. I really used to think even if you loved or hated Jason that he drove story. He is not doing that now. Honestly, he had more interesting stuff to do on Days as Harris.

The show has survived without Jason before. I don't think Sonny/Natalia have kissed. They just flirt a little bit here and there. I can image Mo isn't terribly keen on it-if only for the fact that Eva La Rue is visibly taller than him. Tbh, I don't know what story would appease Mo. He seems to hate everything except the idea of Brenda returning. Has he even liked a story besides Nixon Falls in the last decade?