DramatistDreamer

2 hours ago, John said:

soaps used to do this all the time

 

For example in 1986-87 Actor Jeffery Byron played both Richard Abbott on OLTL & Jeff Martin on AMC. Actors hop from soap to soap all the time. Its not new. In fact Characters crossing over from soap to soap is more of a new thing

Not necessarily. Didn’t Eileen Fulton do this in the 1960s? Granted it was from ATWT to a newly created soap but it was as the same character.

I think anyone living in the NYC Metro area knew Suozzi was taking that seat. The media wanted to make it look like it was going to be close but Republicans had the one chance in Santos and he made fools out of everybody and anybody who was foolish enough to cast a vote for him. Republicans were not getting another chance this time around. 

Anthony Herrera brought life to one of the best ever villains in daytime dramatic history but James Stenbeck should have stayed dead in 1989 after his son Paul pumped multiple bullets into him. And especially given the fact that the writing portrayed James as a cartoon villain when he reappeared on the canvas in the ‘00s

Yes, I know that a lot of people loved that spa storyline but they could have used any number of other villains in the history of the show to carry out this plot. By then Emily and Lily and Carly each had enough enemies to fill a mansion in the Swiss Alps to fulfill the plot.

On 2/10/2024 at 1:26 AM, Errol said:

I actually watched that wretched "A Secret Billionaire Heiress."

For one, it was horribly acted and written, but at the same time I was highly engaged and enraged by the lead male and what he was doing to his "secret heiress" wife. Demanding she give her blood at the drop of a hat for his lover. DISGUSTED! I wanted to murder him. I also wanted to see them fall in love in the end. HAHA.

So, I think it did its job.

Also, there's this Korean actress who stars in all of these paid commercial-type movies where she is always hawking some type of makeup/health kit. Movies are so stupid but I can't help but laugh when she brings out that red kit...

And again, I can't help but want to see the lead male and her fall in love. Plus, when he defends her against the other office workers, I see butterflies. LMFAO!

LOL, I guess it did. Even if we had a few flops stateside, I wouldn’t mind seeing some experimentation with the format. Before both Guiding Light and ATWT were cancelled, I had hoped that someone might make each daytime soap a 30 minute serial again but that is when I still believed that P&G wasn’t spiteful enough to throw both shows in the bin.

I won’t list the ones that have already been listed so:

ATWT: Bryant Montgomery and Marshall Travers- yes Marshall Travers, they took a charismatic (albeit a cad), good looking character who had smoldering chemistry with Jessica Griffin and reduced him to a rapist and throwaway character. One of the few. Black men on the show. Just disgusting. I have spoken at length in the ATWT thread about how much of a mistake I believed killing off legacy kid Bryant Montgomery to be. I also hated that the character SORASed, but that’s another story.

Y&R: John Abbott and Nathan Hastings. The show should have given John Abbott a few more years before expiring the character. Bringing him back as a ghost to “haunt” Jack (which amounted to yammering on and nagging him) was beyond silly. I am not disparaging the idea of the paranormal and connection with the supernatural but Jerry Douglas was still able to handle the work, why not really use him, even if in a reduced capacity. 
Imagine if Nathan had been maimed by the accident instead of merely killed and done away with? Olivia would have had more to play off of if, as a doctor who had sworn an oath the provide care now had to care for this cheating husband who she now detests? Imagine if she had this emerging budding friendship with Malcolm that’s clearly turning romantic, while having to deal with this? The character still could leave, or be bundled off to a rehab facility in Switzerland eventually but the departure of Hastings always seemed so hasty and abrupt, which despite his vile act, never gave proper closure to a character who had been on the canvas since the early/mid 1980s, nor did it give proper closure to his relationship with Olivia.

Admittedly, I don’t pay much attention to polls and haven’t in years. It’s all too “Inside Beltway” for me. I cannot summon the energy to be this fixated on American politics this early. 

2 hours ago, Khan said:

That's why I think it's so important that people push back against the media and point up Trump's own, apparent mental and physical decline.  Biden might be a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory," but I'll take that over a malignant narcissist with an authoritarian bent anyday.

Of course.
The irony however, was not lost on me that the slip up was following Biden’s pushback against the council’s allegations of the classified documents found being were a result of age related memory problems. Unfortunately the Trump cult are blind to his obvious lack of character, lack of discernment and lack of intelligence. The Biden coalition tends to check for things like these. Hopefully this incident will fade…and quickly.

The BBC just did a story on the special counsel’s report and Biden’s response, immediately highlighting a slip up Biden made, mixing up the president of Egypt with the president of Mexico. I cringed.

^^Also, it was the was the 1980s when Wham! could be considered peak masculinity among the teen set.

11 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

Everyone can't work at Jabot because everyone, from age 20-85, has to be a "CEO" or "co-CEO." No one can have a regular job. There used to be Neil, Brad, Chase, and Ryan working their way up and it was interesting. Now there's a million little companies so everyone can have a big title.

Remember the mail room? I guess no one gets mail or any type of delivery anymore.

When Griffith fired the breakdown writers, was that a purely financial decision? Listening to posts about episodes from the past few days makes me believe that Y&R viewers may be living with that decision to fire the breakdown writing staff. It can’t all be about nickels and dimes all the time.

2 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Pfft..

Other former players are doing pickleball too.

If we see Monica, Serena and Jennifer Capriati on the pickleball court, just say “Good Night” to the WTA.

It’s anyone’s guess what will come of this.

ESPN, Fox and Warner Team Up to Create Sports-Streaming Platform

So, Steffi and Andre are more likely to be found on a pickleball court than a tennis court these days. 

https://www.tennis.com/baseline/articles/photos-graf-agassi-defeat-mcenroe-sharapova-1-million-at-pickleball-slam-2

Hinton Battle’s obituary states that, before the Tap Dance Kid he didn’t know how to actually tap. He faked a soft shoe then took lessons from a master tap dancer. Incredible!

If anyone finds any video of Battle performing the Scarecrow in The Wiz can you please post? Thanks.

On the eve, of their general election, at least a dozen people die in two explosions in Pakistan. This is reminiscent of the 1990s. Unfortunately, violence has been ratcheting up in recent weeks, as the military (who has been in control, regardless of party in office) has been clamping down this year’s opposition parties. 

@Soapsuds^^ Wow! Just last week, I read that Rune had let his other coach go and even the writers of the article assumed that Becker would remain Rune’s sole coach after that. I guess that is no longer the case. Both Rune and Ruud received a lot of hype. They’re still young but it makes me wonder where both Scandinavian players’ prospects lie ahead.

Usually these type of coaching moves happen in the off-season. I think with Pegula turning 30 at the end of this month, it’s probably easy to figure out her motives for drastic changes. Rune, maybe this is just the way he’s built?

That’s interesting @Soapsuds. Coaching changes come at you fast, especially on the WTA side. I don’t know if it’s true that Witt expressed surprise but hey, it happens. Witt can be a good coach but there were years when I thought that Venus kept him on for too long and felt it cost her (although I realized that her Sjogrens really had her grasping for stability and consistency because the effects of the disease itself can be so unpredictable) but Witt’s publicly whining about certain aspects that were directly related to her autoimmune disease had me wishing she would have found another coach. I guess Pegula doesn’t intend to wait that long, she obviously wants a change.

2 hours ago, Liberty City said:

... hence why Josh Griffith is protected, because he's bosom buddies with Steve Kent.

Yeah, at this point, I don’t expect any changes to be made unless Y&R sunsets, then they could make a last ditch effort or some other change to look like they’re making some sort of effort.

2 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Probably the most concerning thing for myself is in addition that news about the declining viewers/aging and dying viewers is that both Y&R/B&B are up for renewal at the end of this season this year. An article like the Deadline one definitely gives me a sinking feeling about both show’s imminent future.  if I have nothing but disdain for Josh Griffith and Thudley at the moment, I’d hate to lose both shows. 

My mom is a senior and the reason I even know about ATWT and Y&R but she stopped watching Y&R ages ago and has expressed surprise that I even know about any of the storylines.

Years ago, during a holiday, I turned on the television to Y&R in her living room and she said that she thought everything looked terrible. Although I had to agree, it made me a bit sad to realize that it was true.

I have read a few articles about this now and the fact that the only officials who actually had the courage to face the public were all Black is pretty insulting but on brand for the Ivy League (and most American universities and colleges, to be honest).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/04/stolen-and-disrespected-museum-inters-200-year-old-remains-of-black-philadelphians?ref=upstract.com

18 hours ago, fivethej said:

Jennifer Rapport from OLTL was on Y&R

 

Nick Scotti will always be Tony for me.
Crimson Lights with actual people?? CL doesn’t get that much foot traffic in a year these days.

7 hours ago, Khan said:

I know I'm as uneducated as they come about these things, but I just don't understand why we need any limits on immigration.

Because the immigrants are predominantly brown and non-European. 

I remember in the early 1990s, a teacher bringing in an issue of, Time or Newsweek with the cover story “The Browning of America” for discussion and I understood right then and there that America had a preoccupation with the nation becoming a predominantly nonwhite country. It’s the reason why, despite lionizing Reagan for his rhetoric and voodoo economics, Republicans are still irked with him over his one-time amnesty of undocumented immigrants (no one talks about the fact that undocumented immigrants from Ireland comprised a large number of undocumented workers then and well into the beginning of the 21st century). It’s also one of the reasons that no one mentions the number of pregnant Russian women were flocking to the United States to have their babies, conferring them with birthright citizenship, (until Russia invaded Ukraine and sanctions began) despite right-wing activists’ constant attempts to paint a picture of “anchor babies” as only coming from Mexican mothers.

It’s ironic that limits are discussed (whatever that means) without having an honest conversation about genuine immigration policy reform, which would entail a discussion about why meat plants are allowed to use child labor of unaccompanied minors who came across the Southern border or why so many businesses and wealthy people use the “cheap” labor of undocumented workers. That would mean exploring legal pathways to formal residency and citizenship, which would effectively mean an end to labor exploitation and rock-bottom wages. The argument that pathways to legalization would encourage more border crossings doesn’t hold weight, primarily because the pathways would be for people who have been here for decades, working, having income tax extracted, while ineligible for a refund and raising their American born and/or childhood arrived children. The people screaming for small government don’t want the necessary personnel to be hired so that paperwork for work and student visas can be processed in a timely fashion so that maybe people can actually go back and forth, with an assurance that they won’t have to worry about getting detained on either side. Fixing immigration policy (or lack thereof) sounds like a good talking point but most of the people with the means to do so aren’t truly interested because the status quo is benefiting a lot of well-heeled and well connected individuals.

18 hours ago, Juliajms2 said:

I'm not so much worried about immigration as a presidential election issue. I'm more concerned about it on a policy level. We're on the edge of having the kind of demographic issues (aging population and falling below replacement numbers) that Japan and China are having. Meanwhile, a possible solution is knocking on our door (and freezing on our streets), but we are so polarized we can't have a rational national conversation about it.

Japan and China are homogenous societies that have spurned physical differences. China has a billion population, so it hasn’t yet reached crisis point, although their issues don’t have as much to do with a lack of immigration as it does with their preference for male boys over females leading to a demographics disaster with a shortfall of marriageable women. Japan, with a much smaller population is in full-blown demographics crisis. They are allowing some immigrants from Southeast Asia to study nursing, specifically in geriatrics to take care of their aging population but they still don’t want to offer citizenship. They are just now deciding to offer some workers residency so that the workers can bring spouses, children and possibly parents, as many nursing students have expressed doubts about staying beyond the minimum of years if they cannot bring family.

4 hours ago, kalbir said:

Charlie & Co was one season and done. CBS scheduled it Wednesday 9 pm head-to-head w/ Dynasty, then moved it to Tuesday 8:30 pm head-to-head w/ Growing Pains, then Friday 8 pm head-to-head w/ Webster.

I agree it had a talented cast but CBS somehow did not have a lot of faith in it.

Remember too that CBS struggled with sitcoms from 1982/83, the end of M*A*S*H and the Top 10 fallouts of The Jeffersons, Alice, and One Day at a Time, until 1989/90, when Designing Women and Murphy Brown started showing growth. The only bright spots in that era CBS had as far as sitcoms go were Kate & Allie, which started good but couldn't maintain its momentum as it got overshadowed by the big family sitcoms of that era (The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Who's the Boss, Growing Pains), and Newhart, which was very up-and-down in the ratings and it got overshadowed by the big workplace/friendship sitcoms of that era (Cheers, The Golden Girls, Night Court).

Okay, I am mistaken, I knew there was a time shift, mid season somewhere. I blame Unsung Hollywood, sometime watching the episode on Flip Wilson they gave the impression that the two shows went up against each other. Perhaps they didn’t mean literally but in a sense that both sitcoms, ostensibly about a Black family, were pitted against each other? Also, Jaleel White auditioned for the role of Rudy Huxtable, when according to Jaleel, Cosby wanted Rudy to be a girl and ultimately got his way. Oh well, the cast was likable (and the theme song was catchy as all get out) but it was a poor effort by CBS. Once the 1970s ended, it seems like CBS’s record with series featuring a predominantly Black cast was spotty at best.

And Barrett has been in the news lately with the recent debut of the biopic about Bob Marley. It’s sad that he was ill for what sounds like a long time but hopefully he will now be able to rest in peace.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/feb/03/aston-family-man-barrett-bassist-with-bob-marley-and-the-wailers-dies-aged-77