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18 hours ago, SoapDope said:

 

I have the first film transferred from a VHS release (which is pretty good quality) and the second one I bought from someone off the net that was taped off WGN decades ago.

 

Here is a grainy promo for it off youtube. The first film was one of the highest rated ABC movies of the week. 

 

 

That's awesome thanks so much for sharing

18 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

That darkness was a hallmark of the Conboy years. It was carefully constructed so that the actors and/or certain props were specifically lit. Hours were spent on the lighting.

Wes Kenney changed that and said he got feedback along the lines of 'I didn't realize you had sets!'

That's hilarious. I remember vaguely SOD complaining that the 1998 primetime episode was too dark and they felt the show was trying to imitate film with darker contrast and it didn't work. I seriously can't remember if it was darkly lit or not.

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

I think Bill Bell deliberately isolated characters eg Kay and Jennifer as he realized that the half hour could not support it. If Kay and Jen were friends then as well as Kay being a part of the Brooks story, Jennifer in turn would have involvement in all that was going on with  Kay and Jill and there would be an obligation to write to that which could dilute the overall story.

Also he liked to keep things up his sleeve so that later, characters could connect and open up new avenues to explore.

 

Nowadays everyone on canvas has a history with just about everyone else and it gets incestuous and unwieldy ...

 

Fair call. I do like that not everyone knows everyone else, that worked in the 80's and 90's as well. I forget how small the main cast was in the 70's.

4 hours ago, SoapDope said:

Yes. Several projects. One thing comes to mind is an episode of the 1972 Gary Collins series " The Sixth Sense". Gary is on a flight during a storm and Jess plays a woman who is sick going in out of consciousness. She is having psychic premonitions. Colby Chester plays the pilot and Sharon Gless is the stewardess. 

 

Sharon and Colby did a couple of TV movies of the week together " All My Darling Daughter's (1972) and My Darling Daughter's Anniversary (1973). She played one of Robert Young's 4 daughter (ala like the Brooks girls on Y&R). In the first film all 4 daughters get married on the same day. Colby Chester was on of the grooms getting married to Fawne Harriman (later of Somerset). Eve Arden was the exasperated wedding planner.  

Haha what a riot. I have to find these immediately, thanks for letting me know. I love 70's tv movies

11 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

 The interesting thing about Jill's pairing with Michael Crawford was when Jess took over the role in 1987 she was reunited Colby Chester who played Michael. They had been contract players together at Universal Studios in the 70's. Another contract actress at that time was Sharon Gless (Cagney & Lacey). 

How interesting, never knew that. I had no idea Jess was on a contract with Universal in the 70's. Do you know if Jess and Sharon ever acted in anything together?

1 minute ago, SoapDope said:

Thank You for that link and all the information. I will enjoy reading those. I never understood what suppose to be the fascination with Derek Thurston (and actor Joe LaDue). He was built up as some big hot stud with his tight polo shirts and painted on jeans. He comes across as some middle age guy having a midlife crisis trying to appear youthful. 

No worries. Yeah I read about Derek long before I saw any pics of Joe and when I did I thought, oh okay, not what I was expecting. Bell had a habit of putting Brenda with older actors for most of her run. I guess David Mallory was probably the youngest and Michael Crawford. I know Jill dated some guy named Brent in the first year, I assume he was a young guy too. But mostly Jill was always with older men.

5 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

Yes that last scene with the beautiful sad background music as Jennifer was being taken to surgery is high drama. I wish that Katherine could have interacted with the Brooks more and maybe have her stop by and see Jenn with flowers. I wish we could see all these 70's episodes. 

 

I saw Jane Curtin in that ad too. I think the little girl in the second Dove dish washing ad is Dana Plato. 

Agreed, it would have been great to see Kay and Jennifer as friends. As far as I know Kay was pretty isolated to Jill and the Foster family in 1975, I have never heard of her interacting with the Brooks at all during this period. 

Wow I went back and looked and it definitely looks like a young Dana Plato. 

Speaking of 70's Y&R this tumblr has a bunch of 70's soap mags on it. I have linked to one of the Y&R pages. It has an article on Donnelly Rhodes being bumped off the show, stating he was killed off in late June. Also somewhere in there another article mentions Bill Espy's last day was Sep 17, 1975. I assume this was his last tape date as he appears in the episode after the Sep 23, 1975 one just posted. This must have been his final week or there abouts. I know David came on as Snapper Dec 8, 1975, though I can't remember where I found that info.

https://vintagesoaparchives.tumblr.com/tagged/Young+and+the+Restless/page/2

Hot damn the 1975 episode was great. In particular the final few minutes. High melodrama but so effective and well done. Considering they were still doing live to tape, it all came together so beautifully. Peggy turning up at the last minute and the Brooks girls watching their mother as the elevator doors close. Also the small moments, the way Leslie and Chris look at Bruce, even the way Trish as Chris folds her arms when Bruce is talking to her and the way Janice's Leslie gives that bit of bite to Bruce, it is those small moments that are so effective.

Interesting that there was no B story, but I guess this was a big episode and there was no time for it. 

We have the episode that aired after this, when Jennifer is in surgery and comes out of it, I assume it aired the same week and it also has no B story, so I wonder if Jennifer's mastectomy and the Brooks family drama took up most of that week with few other stories progressing.

Also I now want to see Search for Tomorrow, haha. Such a tease

Also great to see Jane Curtin in one of the commercials barely a month prior to SNL starting.

27 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Found a couple more episodes on the archive site from 1999 and 2000.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A"Young+and+the+Restless+soap+opera"

Thanks so much for this, will definitely give these a watch, I admit to my interest in Y&R starting to fade somewhat during this period, but still love the show and I appreciate it more now than I did then.

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

Haha yes it was! No worries 

 

I saw that the other guy (Mark Sussman) has done a lot of casting for movies and tv 

Cool. I wonder who else popped up on the show over the years in minor roles. 

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

Really?? I never knew that! I will have to go back and check! LOL

Sorry it was the Dec 30 1992, my mistake

Just watching the Dec 29, 1992 episode. Nicholas Brendan who would go on to play Xander Harris on Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a small role as one of a group of kids trying to get Christine to get them tickets to Danny's concert. Always interesting to see actors you know from other shows pop up in small roles on soaps

Speaking of Y&R 1979. I just went through the ratings for that year in the ratings thread. Y&R was #1 for a big chunk of that year if you look at it as the calendar year, it seems 1979 to early 1980 Y&R had the chance of being the #1 soap all up, it really was big competition for GH and AMC. I thought Y&R only hit #1 in late 79 and early 80, but it was #1 multiple times throughout 1979. 

I wonder what would have happened if they hadn't had the cast exodus and expansion to an hour. Does anyone feel it may have hit the top 3 or was ABC Daytime too tough to beat.

20 hours ago, Chris B said:

Jess Walton as Jill Abbott is my personal favorite. She came in as a hugely popular frontburner character played by two well received actresses (Brenda Dickson and Deborah Adair). I feel she helped the character grow and added tons of depth to the point that you didn't miss her predecessors and made it seem like she'd been there from day one. Brenda Epperson was also fantastic as Ashley Abbott and is my personal favorite in the role. In general Y&R is very good at recasts.

While I prefer Eileen, I have to say I loved Brenda as Ashley. I can watch any episode she is in and still love the character and feel like it is still Ashley, just a different side of Ashley. Brenda still got the important parts of the character, she just displayed them differently.

Jess really was the best recast. She grounded Jill more and added depth that Brenda once had but had lost by the end of her run.

I would also add Sandra Nelson as Phyllis. Michelle, even back then had really put her stamp on the character and I wasn't sure anyone could match her, but Sandra really was great in the role and honestly I would have been happy to have kept her there.

I agree Y&R did a great job recasting, some exceptions were Shari Shuttuck as Ashley and Sarah Aldrich as Victoria (though Sarah was there for roughly six months and barely had story before Heather Tom returned, she seems more like a sub to be honest)

7 hours ago, ltm1997 said:

Question: Do any of you by chance know if there's even the slightest possibility that there are episodes of Y&R from 1978 or 1979 (mainly '79) that people recorded on either VHS or Beta that still exist? At all? I just can't bring myself to believe that there aren't.

Y&R was doing pretty well in the ratings during that time, and in 1979/80 managed to get to #1 for a few weeks. So I would suggest people were taping it. Whether or not those people can be bothered to transfer them to digital or even sell them is another story, also Sony is so quick to pull stuff offline that maybe many just don't want the hassle. 

I also feel like they don't seem to care about character anymore. Soaps should always be character driven and story comes out of that. I think this is why I don't recognise many of the vet characters anymore (outside of the actors trying to maintain continuity for them) and I don't care about the new ones.

24 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 

Don't forget Macy is being sacrificed for Brooke/Thorne 

 

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Oh yeah definitely, they ruined her and just as bad made her nothing more than an obstacle for Brooke/Thorne

Y&R - When Jill and Kay become mother/daughter. That changed everything for me. Once it was done, I was willing to just accept it, though I hated it, but then they had to make more mess by trying to retcon it. Bell himself said he made mistakes in the past, changing Ashley's paternity and killing off Phillip III, but he just copped it and moved on. They should have just left the mistake they made and did the best they could with it. It was at this point that the history of the show/characters took a back seat to story. I feel this is also when Alden started losing control of the show, someone mentioned it was Jack Smith that made this mistake and the more Alden got pushed aside the more the show suffered.

B&B - I said before but Brooke's character was so pivotal to this show by the late 90's and her goal was always clear. She believed she and Ridge were meant for each other, her manipulation and schemes were all because she felt the means justified the end. Then all of a sudden it was Thorne that was the love of her life, then Deacon and the "Slut from the Valley" was born. This was not Brooke, sleeping with her daughter's husband and getting pregnant and rejecting Ridge for Deacon, her entire motive from the past 10+ years went out the door. This then affected so much around her, it really ruined the history of the show. By this time there was zero growth for any of the characters, in fact they regressed in some instances.

Days - As much as I loved and watched JER's Days and could not get enough of it at the time, I now realise how much damage it did. Marlena became such an idiot during this time, John was never the brightest bulb, but even he took an IQ beating, Laura was a zombie and didn't even seem like the same character anymore, Jack was a dumbbell under Steve Wilder and Kristen went from a devout, compassionate Christian to an evil super villian. Then after JER left, the show could never really return to what it once was, so it got crazier and more outlandish. It was not even the same show anymore, the history of the show was  fading by 1994/95 and absolutely done by 1998 - 2002

I think by the 90's/early 00's most soaps disregarded character history and became story driven, ignoring the past and ignoring character development for short term thrills. I feel like they were all trying to be Melrose Place or JER's Days and the individual identities of the soaps were being erroded and the rating went with it.

15 minutes ago, yrfan1983 said:

Amazing research @FrenchFan ! It all looks very on-point. The only one I wonder about is Joy Garrett going on contract in June '83. Reading the synopses, there's only a few mentions of her during the summer of '83, related to Nikki's porn tape story. Then IIRC nothing more until summer of '84, when Tyrone's story starts. I remember an ep that used to be on YT on Jazz talking to Boobsie about Tyrone, just as Tyrone is coming to town.  

So I wonder if Joy was recurring summer of '83 and then on-contract summer of '84. Perhaps May, as you show Phil Morris joining in May.

I've noticed though that Bell didn't always stick to convention with such things. He often used those on recurring as almost contract players and vice versa. I believe Roberta Leighton was on recurring in 1986, but seemed to be right in the thick of it almost like a contract player as a result of the Nikki/Victor/Ashley triangle. Joy may have been on contract in 1983 and just not used.

I think this happened to Beth Maitland as well. She was brought back on contract at certain points, but was almost recurring in terms of her appearances and story.

Pretty sure he had run ins with Betty Corday (I think) over this same issue on Days in the 60's.

Maybe I am wrong, but that's what it seemed like anyway.

On 3/26/2019 at 10:35 PM, ironlion said:

 

best baby switch plot ive seen pulled off is Y&R's Sheila & Lauren 1990-1992. The conclusion was epic, the farmhouse fire, Sheila's presumed death, and her resurfacing on the Bold & the Beautiful. So many years of storyline stemmed from this!

The fact this story crossed over onto another show and drove story there was amazing.

I loved the fact that it didn't just get wrapped up nicely after Sheila left Y&R, I always assumed once the truth was out Lauren would have everything she wanted back, her son and Scott, but she no longer loved Scott and he wasn't sure their son would accept her as his mother, so Scott basically forced Lauren into a re-marriage which led to her subsequent affair with Brad, then Sheila using that to her gain, so she could blackmail Lauren into keeping quiet. The ramifications from this story didn't really wrap until Sheila's almost suicide in 1995 on B&B.

That's 5 years of story across two shows, absolutely brilliant.

2 hours ago, Chris B said:

I knew Chris stayed longer than Lorie, but I had no idea that Leslie was the last Brooks daughter to leave! I do think it’s a shame they recast Chris and tried to put her at Jabot but it didn’t work out. Would’ve been nice if they could’ve kept that Brooks bloodline going. 

Yeah I always wondered if Bell was planning to keep Leslie on canvas, but maybe her story with Robert Laurence fizzeled and Bell cut her loose. She left town within a week or so of the Laurence family leaving, but was on canvas for 4 months after Laurie left town. Jill had been successfully intergrated into the Abbott family by this point so makes sense he kept her on. 

For me Brooke was such a pivotal part of the show and she was basically decimated as a character post 1998. I know a lot of people liked her with Thorne, but I hated it, having her act the exact same with Thorne as she did with Ridge was ridiculous, they were meant to be apparently, even though she had never shown the slightest bit of interest in him before, Eric made sense. He was still reeling from losing Beth and she from losing Ridge, they found each other in a desperately lonely time and she got pregnant, which turned what would have been a brief affair into a marriage that was doomed from the start.

I also hated how violent Stephanie started becoming, then of course Brooke getting pregnant by Deacon was just the end. This was when "The Slut from the Valley" was born. 

Around the time Shiela took off I started cooling off. 1999 was okay (except the Brooke/Thorne pairing) but was not that invested in many of the stories and new characters. I was on and off the show and gave up around the time Taylor died again. 

Just watching episode 416. Lilyan Chauvin playing a police officer. Had no idea she appeared on B&B

On 8/23/2019 at 3:17 AM, BoldRestless said:

Oh no, I had saved some of his videos, but I was a week or so behind.  Does anyone have all of them?

Brandon Denson is on the FB group The Young and the Restless - The Classic Years. He is posting some clips there. I recommend everyone here join. Janice Lynde is a member, so is Tracy Bregman and Brenda Epperson. Not sure who else. I know Brenda Dickson was on there a few years ago, but got banned. Janice actually posts on the group here and there and they even got Jess Walton to send a video for the Fake Jill day (where they celebrate all the Jill's, lol) The group can be busy sometimes and quiet others.

A 1986 episode was just shared on the Y&R thread that had Sandra Nelson as a flight attendent, she returned 11 years later in 1997 to play Phyllis Summers-Romalotti

The 1986 episodes are great thanks @BoldRestless for sharing. What a blast to see Sandra Nelson as the flight attendant. I guess we could add that to the double duty thread.

Maybe I read this wrong but I assume Eileen Davidson would own this topic. How many characters did she play on Days. Kristen, Susan, the Nun (Can't remember her name), there was the male character (Thomas? or something) and Penelope (I think). 

Quinn Redeker played Nikki's father on Y&R around 1979 and then returned as Rex in 1987

Probably doesn't count but pretty sure Katherine Kelly Lang played a minor role on Y&R at some point, Gretchen or something in 1981 then returned as her B&B character Brooke in a small cross over in 1998

Brenda Epperson did a dayplayer role on Y&R shortly before she took over as Ashley on Y&R

Carolyn Conwell most famous for playing Mary Williams on Y&R also played two smaller roles. I believe she was Ron Becker's mother somewhere around 76/77 and then played a prostitute on the show as well

Ryan always seemed like a little weasal. I do find it interesting that Victoria and Tricia both lost their virginity to him and both were more than underwhelmed by the sex, lol

Yeah Ashley was really thrown under the bus for Victor's sperm, imagine playing a supporting role to sperm. That's what it felt like. The women weren't even really fighting over a man anymore, they were fighting over his body fluid. This has to be as close as Y&R got to the JER/Melrose style that so many soaps were trying to imitate in the mid to late 90's. One of the things that really ruined soaps for me.