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In some ways, Heather is scarier then Aviva because you can see Aviva coming at you, but you never know when Heather will strike. Maybe Luann's refusal to do the taglines caused her demotion? LOL Still Luann as Greek chorus will be made of win for me. I just wish that Bravo had aired the first episode after Atlanta to get people a taste of New York and to remind them it is back. I just hope 1.4 million viewers on Tuesday is good enough for Bravo to order a 7th season.

The Three Sister's is a very unusual episode for Knots Landing on the outside, but if you dig beneath the supernatural trappings of the episode.. it was psychological drama at its finest. At the heart of the story was Val's unfulfilled yearning to be a mother. Her baby was stolen from her, and the guilt she felt over not being strong enough to reclaim her child drove Val throughout her life. At the house lived three little girl ghosts missing their mother and Val's innate sense drew her to them and vice versa. What is interesting is that Ginger felt the same thing when they first got there, but because she was only away from her baby for a few days, she was able to withstand the pull of the house. From what I recall Abby was the comic relief, Karen had very little part in the going ons, and I think it was an interesting twist that Laura was able to figure out what was troubling Val and alerted the other women. The cherry on top of the sundae was Lilliamae and Val's scene on the roof where Lillimae finally stepped up and was there for her daughter for the first time. She was able to rescue Val thus helping her to overcome the guilt she felt at not helping Val when she needed her the most. I think this episode was truly the first step in repairing Val and Lillimae's rift. Plus, when Val had the break down a few season later after she's told her babies are dead.. it doesn't come out of left field. Later writers made it seem as if Val couldn't live without Gary, but she spent years on her own before reuniting with him.. and after she catches him with Abby, she throws him out and started dating the detective before dating Ben. What really made Val break wasn't losing Gary but the thought of losing another chance at being a mother.

Man you so would have hated how the reunions used to be like back in the day LOL RHOC season 1 through season 3 reunions were very low key and light hearted with little to no fighting. In fact, season 1 just had the housewives sitting in the backyard talking about the season with no Andy Cohen. I'd much prefer that then to the senseless rehashing that Andy puts them through. What I don't get is why these women don't understand that Andy basically hates women and enjoys showing them in a bad light. While it's wonderful Andy Cohen no longer is in charge of development at Bravo, he is still going to run the housewives shows so no hope of them ever becoming less toxic. That said, I didn't watch the full episode of NY last night but Kristen is married to d-bag. I do applaud her for finishing the race, I certainly wouldn't have LOL

It's funny that the show revolved around Reva especially in the late 90s through the end but I got three people to watch the show with me circa 1993 through 2002 (when I was in college).. and the one consistent thing these three people were interested in was Blake. One of them even was invested in the Tory Granger story and was bummed that she had to go to europe for the summer because she was totally hooked on it. When she came back in the fall, she was bummed that the story wrapped up so I sent her a detailed summary of the last few months of the story.

Kenya maybe getting dragged on Twitter.. but she got Rookie of the Year in the RH awards. Like her or not, she certainly does know how to stir that big ole pot of drama. I certainly knew when i saw best hair as a category that Joyce would win it LOL Surprised BH got favorite housewife city over Atlanta. I don't recall any blow ups at the bridal shop, were there any? Even Nene would agree Vicki G deserves lifetime achievement award since she is the original. I agree with the best line category, but not sure I understand the category that Kim's 'faint' won.

I think that Bravo has dropped the ball big time with RHONY. Not only did they bench it for over a year, killing any momentum the show was building at the end of season 5, but they placed the show on Tuesday which is not their best night for ratings. Why didn't Bravo place the show after Atlanta or BH? Maybe get some of those viewers? While the other Housewife shows have evolved into trashy behavior (yet Atlanta has enough fun and interesting characters to counterbalance any trashy tendencies), I don't see New York in the same boat yet. Maybe season 6 will be that season.

What perfect timing, I just finished season 1 this evening. I'm curious about why season 1 and 2 had 20 + episodes and the final 3 season had more typical 13-14 episode seasons. Emmett: I do agree that he didn't seem to have much purpose except to be the whimsical voice of reason. Though I did like the conversion story especially episode 14 where he and lesbian heather tried to have a 'success' story together where Ted has a wonderful speech about God not making mistakes and didn't think God made any mistakes when creating Emmett. Plus, the final scene at Babylon with Emmett announcing that he saw the light and is back. I think that the actor took a campy character and infused him with warmth, comedic presence, and a touch of angst. From what my room mate tells me, he gets some good storylines in the later seasons. Ted= love. I'm totally 100 % Ted in personality and also am drawn to his character. I had no idea that he had a crush on Michael, but I think he realizes that there is no chance between him and Michael and moves on pretty quickly. I think somewhere doing the season Ted tells Michael to not hold out for the unattainable and to just move on and be happy with someone who is attainable. Michael: Too hung up on Brian and I didn't like how he treated his female co worker. She seemed so sweet and I liked that when she found out about him being gay, that she was angry that he lied to her and not because he was gay. Brian/Justin: dysfunctional... hated both characters Lindsay/Melanie: I liked that they broke up during the middle of the first season because Lindsay was too busy putting Brian above Melanie. I did like the few episodes of a single Melanie at Babylon especially Ted/Emmet's reactions at being at lesbian night at Babylon. I think they were reunited too quickly in episode 16 or 17.. when there were still a few more episodes left in the season. lastly, I think Emmet's friend Heather could have been a nice distraction for Melanie. To me, it seems like Brian listened to Lindsay the most especially compared to Michael and Justin, imho.

Luann and Alex had a great feud in season 4 while I thought Luann and Ramona worked better as frenemies then enemies. Once Ramona and Luann 'made up' after the first few episodes of season 5.. they worked as frenemies especially that scene of the two of them bathing suit shopping together LOL Though I did enjoy the calling out on her pot stirring ways by everyone at the season 5 reunion That reunion cemented my love for Heather since she seems made for reunions

Joyce doesn't belong on RHOBH, and I mean that as a compliment. She made some excellent points, even bringing up the tampon incident. I think the problem is that she is too intelligent to be on this particular franchise. If her wardrobe was less flashy, I could see her fitting in better on RHONY.

Did Andy Cohen cancel RHODC because the four women refused to film with the Salahi's if it came back for season 2? That is what I had heard, and I think that was when I started to view him as in capable of really heading a network. He was too obsessed with showcasing White House issue, instead of treating it like a mid-season event (like Scary island for RHony, or Kenya's twirling declaration in season 5, or Marlo/Sheree's blow in season 4). There were ample amounts of stuff that were cut because of this act and it proved how short-sighted he was.

Home sick and watching the season 5 marathon of NY today. The key difference between season 5 of NY and this season of BH was that while there were blow ups on both shows, it seems like the woman on NY enjoyed each other. Plus, there were events and get togethers on NY that didn't have blow ups or rights. I think season 5 of BH could be a good season with a good producer, better editing, and maybe some cast shuffling. There is one board that actually has people upset that Gretchen isn't coming back this upcoming season. When someone pointed out that having her meant slade, then people replied with agreement that no Gretchen was better then Gretchen w/Slade. I'm curious about what caused Bravo to toss Gretchen who was basically harmless (if deluded) but won't get rid of Brandi (who has proven to be a liar, racist, and just a toxic presence)?

I liked Kirk with Iva.. and I loved him with Samantha #1. Plus, I loved his friendship with Connor and was glad that they didn't advance from friendship to romance even though he had a crush on her in 1994.

I guess RHOC will for sure be replacing RHObH next month. Guess heather has been elected the housewife ganged up on. I do agree that the tone looks to be different with Alexis, Gretchen, and Lydia gone.. just not sure it will be a good tone. Shame Heather's friend won't be full-time, but I was hoping they would pull a Sonja and be full time come mid-season. I do admit I'll miss Lydia and her mom's fairy dust

After tonight's finale of RHOBH, i'll be sitting out watching the reunion.. too messy imho. I wish the reunions were more like they used to be.. with the housewives sitting around laughing and having a good time without much fighting. Then I'll tune back in for the lost scene episode because most of the time, I'd wish they were included in the show.

Watching on netflix, the one character I'd probably date would be Ted. I do think the opening credit change between season 3 and 4 is symbolic to me. Changing from the hotties dancing in next to nothing to couples embracing along with friendships between the characters shows me that the characters were evolving beyond the one night stands and finally embracing adult-hood.

It seems like the casting change from Mary #2 to Mary #3 happened right away. I actually think Mary #1 could be very smug and judgmental, but she also was fiesty and interesting. I actually do think if Mary #2 had stayed on, that Mary would have become more of a supporting character. Mary #2 seemed more youthful and less harsh then #1, imho. Watched some youtube videos of the last weeks of RH, and I think having Delia remarry Roger at the end really show-cased how much her character never changed or grew up. I would have much preferred Delia ending up single, but successful and more confident as opposed to married when the show ended.

The old focus of the housewives series is most apparent in RHOC season 1 through 3, RHONYC season 1 through 2 (though season 2 had some craziness due to Kelly but not to the heights of season 3 and thereafter), and even RH of Atlanta season 1 was pretty tame compared to later seasons. I liked that the latest episode of RH of Beverly Hills was more of a throwback to old school housewives with the showcasing of Kim, Yolanda, and Kyle in individual scenes. The only housewife that seems to be shown with friends that aren't housewives or official 'friends of' is Brandi.. but that is mostly due to the fact that her kids can't be shown though I did enjoy the photo shoot for her book cover.. shame her book editor isn't able to advise her on personal matters.

I knew Tamra would feud with someone, but figured it would be the former Miss Kentucky, not Danielle If the show is still stale, then i could see Tamra being booted since she would be the problem.

1999 through 2002 had a series of short-term vigenettes/stories for Holly that would start and end suddenly after a few weeks or months. Case in point: Holly's stay in the mental hospital that had several scenes of her interacting with Annie, but no follow through once both were released. Fletcher's return which only lasted a matter of a few months only for him to suddenly leave again taking Meg with him with Holly's blessing. Holly with Sam the cowboy which lasted a few months with heavy flirting but being kept apart because both were out on parole. I still remember a scene where Holly and Sam were heavily flirting on the phone while Ross exclaimed that he's been reduced to chaporoning a phone sex date LOL She seemed determined to prove he was framed and was very confident.. then one day he steals money never to be seen again. I remember they had good chemistry. Holly flirting with Billy, which was interesting but I think Jordan Clarke was having trouble in real life so they tried to throw in Buzz to make it a triangle but nothing came of it. Holly/Olivia being friends and it seemed like there were some homoerotic underlying feelings.. hearing that The Children's hour was the inspiration.. I have a feeling Holly would have come out but Olivia would have been straight. i did like that Jill Lorie Hurst picked up that thread with Olivia.. even having Olivia/Holly interact about it in the last episodes of the series. I almost think that the show didn't really want to write for her, but because fans wrote in.. they were almost forced to write for her. I often saw Reva, Vanessa, and Holly becoming interesting Matriarch's of the show.. Reva being the rough around the edges one (i.e. like the mom from Queer as Folk), Vanessa being more of the elegant but cold one, and Holly being the cynical, sarcastic one.

I know the OC is not the most exciting show, but they are a comfortable old friend. I like there is an even # of blondes and burnettes for once. I remember season 6 was all blondes that looked inter changable to me. I'm wondering how the new three women are fitting in. It appears that the blonde (Shannon) is friendly with tamra/Heather.. but not sure how the former Miss Kentucky and the other female (who is rumoured to have a marriage in name only) will jive with the cast.

1997 was the last year that GL really felt like GL and the last time it had strong potential to correct itself after the death of Maureen. You had a love to hate villianess in Annie Dutton, Reva/Josh were together as were Vanessa/Matt.. and the start of Cassie was promising while you saw Blake/Holly/Roger/Ross/Fletcher front and center as well as Abby/Rick being positioned as the next generation Bauer tent couple. Who would have known 1998 would be almost the direct opposite of 1997 with Reva front and center at the expense of other characters, Dinah turning into a psycho and Holly becoming an alcoholic stalker (and I think the headwriters crafted the far superior Loving Murders which involved Gwen as a serial killer driven mad by losing her daughter and being rejected by her).

I didn't mind Gretchen in Season 4 at all, but once she hooked up with Slade she lost all purpose for me. I think she should have been cut loose after season 6.I t If I had to choose between Vicki and Tamra, I would say to cut Tamra just because Vicki is so funny to watch when she gets worked up. Every season has at least one funny meltdown moment for me. Family Van, Embarrassing Brianna on a date, surprising Michael at college, trying to reach someone in customer service, having a football hit her in the head, falling on her way up to accept an award, etc.

I think RHOC has always had cast changes so it's never been stagnant like New Jersey has gotten nor has it been as toxic as NY got in season 4. I think season 8 was starting to fall into Jersey territory (i.e. being stagnant with Tamra/Vicki/Gretchen fighting over Gretchen cheating since season 4 again with Alexis thrown into the mix since she was friends with Gretchen). With Gretchen, Alexis, and Lydia gone.. and with two or three new housewives coming on.. the show will either be recharged in season 9 or be directionless like BH was this season.

It almost seems like CH was miscast as Faith because her version wasn't wishy washy, she was upfront, independent, and totally was a strong supporter of Jill/Frank while the other three Faith's were somewhat similiar (with Faith #1 being all shy and fragile, Faith #2 being more confident but somewhat eccentric, and Faith #4 being whiny and more passive). I don't see CH's Faith ever going after Frank like KMG's character did either. Also, I just started the episodes with Mary #2 and I like her take on the character. She has some of the same mannerism as Kate Mulgrew, but she seems a little softer and not as harsh as KM was as Mary. I think had the show given her more time, I think she would have made a good Mary. I haven't seen Mary #3 or #4 yet to judge. While viewing the Pat/Delia marriage... I think both were at fault for the marriage being so dysfunctional. I think Pat should have taken a firmer line with Delia, while I think Delia needed to stop thinking of her needs so much. There were a few instances where Pat is high on pills and Delia is almost the logical one... one must question how far gone they are if Delia is making more sense then they are LOL. I am interested to see how Randal Edwards does as Delia.. but I have countless episodes to go through before getting to the cast switch. Also, love Rae! I can see why she took off quite quickly and was kept on for several years while other non Ryan/Coledge characters lasted a shorter time. It's a shame her daughter Kim was so annoying because Rae could have been a jumping off point to expand the canvas of the show beyond the Ryans/Coledges. I think part of the problem was that the Labine's kind of refused to evolve the show beyond their original format (The Ape, and the King Tut story don't count). Shame 1982 isnt available anywhere because it sounds interesting. It seems from reading monthly summaries of the show in 1982 that the Labines introduced Hollis Kirkland, and had him revealed as Kim's father while he was interacting/flirting with Jill. Shame the Jill/hollis flirtation was dropped cause it could have been an interesting reversal of Frank/Jill/Rae story from 1977/1978 with Jill in Rae's role and Rae in Jill's role.

When did Cecile turn into a cartoon?