DRW50

I do understand why the Democrats are opposing this deal (as Warren laid out, it's a huge corporate sinkhole with little relief for anyone else) but I don't know if either party is aware of just how close to the breaking point a lot of people are. We will be getting riots soon.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/coronavirus-stimulus-congress-141360

4 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

 

  

 

Rand is the ultimate libertarian. Ayn would be proud (and she'd [!@#$%^&*] talk him behind his back because boy is he a loser in every way).

4 minutes ago, OzFrog said:

 

That was GOOD. What was the storyline behind this and what year was this from?

I think it's 1996, after Kirk was involved with the plane crash that "killed" Damien and blinded Sam. 

25 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

She's had numerous health issues and injuries during this whole tour. The botox on top of that hasn't been a good look. 

I'd heard about her falling and being in tears at some points. Hopefully the quarantine may help her heal...

I think all the hate for her in the video is a bit ridiculous (not even getting into the weird sicko Q people who infest so much of social media now), but seeing this still made me feel sad. She's almost unrecognizable facially and she seems very fragile.

I saw that woman. Made me feel so sick. 

Doctor Who fans here (or Moonlight fans - there must be another one) may remember the wonderful Sophia Myles.Her father has passed.

24 minutes ago, Roman said:

The entire St. Louis Metro Area has now been issued a stay at home order from the City Mayor and County Executive. This is nuts. many of us have no idea wtf the Governor's problem is.

I'm sorry to hear all that. I think Roy Blunt was one of the senators recently trying to downplay everything. 

It's that time again...

29 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

The $75,000 number was being thrown out earlier when they were talking about who should get money, and including the possible $1,000 payment. That figure was being used by some people who was saying that everyone who made underneath that amount should be sent the $1,000 that was initially suggested.

 

This newest plan by Mitch McConnell does seem closer to a tax credit. (It reminds me of the earned income credit) And from what I heard/read is that around $50,000 are the ones that will benefit the most from this plan. People in that income range are the ones who are most likely to get the $1,200 credit. People who made beneath that range in 2018 (between $2,500-less than $50,000) in earned income would get the $600 credit. I'm not sure what exact figure a person would have to make to get the full  $1,200 amount, but my boss mentioned that people in the $50,000 range would benefit the most from this plan. And that it could phase out around $99,000 which would stop the higher income people from getting it.

 

The article that was posted pointing out the problems with this plan did give an example of how an adult making $35,000 wouldn't qualify for the full $1,200 and only get $600. It was used as an example to show how this current proposal would give less money to lower income people. (Even though they need the most assistance.)

 

Thanks for taking all the time to give more information. Which plan do you think sounds better? (admittedly they all sound pretty awful)

I remember the stimulus was taxed. It would be nice if they gave people a break here, but giving a break to anyone who isn't an 80 year old executive seems unlikely. 

14 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

Last night during an office call for work, we learned a few more details about this potential plan from my boss. Right now it's being based off of the 2018 Tax Return, and people who have not filed that return yet, should think about doing so. There is also rumblings they could look or maybe even change it to the 2019 return. But right now it's just 2018. The people that may benefit the most from this plan (and more likely to get the full $1,200 amount) are people that make around $50,000 a year. And I believe that is per individual not household. The average household in America makes around $61,000. So it's very possible that many adults will not get this full amount. And it was stated that the stimulus amount would phase out around $99,000.

 

So right now if this bill is passed it, looks like a lot of people, (probably most) would get less than the $1,200 amount Mitch McConnell is touting. A lot of people would only get the $600 amount. (Which is better than nothing, but people getting at least $1,000 would be more beneficial, especially as more and more people are being put out of work.)

 

I do think this plan could leave a lot of people out, including unemployed people, severely underemployed people, grown full time students (like college age and up), disabled people, etc... And also people who are afraid to file their 2018 return for some reason. (Like maybe they owe student loans and don't want their refund completely taken.) Though anyone that makes over a certain amount, should be filing, regardless of what happens to the refund. (If they're not filing, that could come back to haunt them.)

A few days ago I'd read 75K. Is the new one 50k? I've had a hard time keeping track of the different plans. 

And of course this will all be taxed, so people will be getting, what, half the amount in reality? 

15 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

@DRW50 but all the doctors say what a great job he is doing...🙄

It's so sad seeing people have to lie through their teeth so he won't banish them and cause even more people to die. It's incredibly degrading and demoralizing. And many will call these doctors traitors and say they should be out blasting him, but the truth is that won't do any good - he has rock solid support. If any lives are saved by having to not burst his fat head with a pin, then they are doing what they have to do.

That's good to hear about the younger people who are out helping - it's a shame so many are just on social media talking about how they want old people to die, or out partying and getting drunk. They give everyone else a bad name. 

I couldn't stomach Trump's sham show but I browsed Twitter and saw that yet again Fauci was having to do cleanup duty for him. I am surprised he has lasted this long - I don't think it will be much longer before he's pushed out. 

Anyway, @Vee this goes along with the Haberman tweet you mentioned a day or two ago, I think.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/21/mike-pence-coronavirus-crisis

19 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

Hate to say it but my first thought was that Andy was lying for attention. Im sure alot of celebs that have come out have done so already

I thought he looked genuinely ill in the photos, although that may just be how he looks without makeup. I do think his canceling his livestream show means it's probably true...I have to admit I have the same thought with some celebrities though, including him. 

The dead enders got "RIPJoeBiden" trending on Twitter. 

Such sick people. Whatever happens in November I'm glad they lost and will remain shut out of any voice in society. They can burn in hell.

I did say that about Andy Cohen, probably, but not really in this instance. 

It's interesting to see the complaints from people in other countries about young people not caring, or about celeb testing, etc. Sometimes I forget these aren't just problems the US struggles with. 

32 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

I doubt this is what motivated him. He's pivoting to the general and trying to show how his administration would handle this crisis. The Berners are pretty much an afterthought now.

True.  The livestreams had so many technical problems I thought they may have been waiting for more time to prepare until the last few days of backlash kicked in, but maybe they were always going to try now. 

53 minutes ago, KateW said:

Also from March 1995

Wendy Moniz first episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWIC-UzZTEg

Monti Sharp last episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7Acub2lDA

 

Besides the big cast purge and EP/HW changes, 1995 also saw recasts (Rebecca Budig, Russell Curry, Wendy Moniz, Toby Poser, Jennifer Rozell), returns (Lisa Brown, Michael O'Leary, Kim Zimmer), and time slot changes by CBS affiliates in major media markets. I'm amazed GL made it through the rest of the 1990s after all this went down.

The show barely survived 1995 and 1996. It was nearly canceled, supposedly, in early 1995. The ratings rise in late '95 helped buy some time, but the rumors started again by fall '96 when the ratings crashed. If the Bells had wanted to expand B&B to an hour I think GL would have been canceled. It felt like they were thisclose around that time period to the B&B hour. (they were, of course, smart not to do so - I don't think it would be on today if they had)

19 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

The Bernie stans must've heard you as they are now trying to get a #WhereIsJoeBiden? hashtag going. You can imagine the sorts of things being tweeted.

I wonder if that's why Joe decided to do this. If so I think it's a mistake - he'll just be dragged, clips will be selectively edited, etc. Never give in to the cultists. 

2 hours ago, Vee said:

What the new reality of this possible economic relief keeps reminding me of is how Sanders has wasted a golden opportunity. This crisis has proven the validity of many of his positions - there’s so much of what he says that so many of us believe in, but it's always been a question of how to get there over time, or what is feasible. He has lost badly and he will never win the party. But he could've gone out with dignity and pride by joining with Biden, the candidate, and saying, ‘we’re going to work together to get you through this crisis, and make the Democratic Party of the future for both young and old, combining our strengths and shared beliefs and finding workable solutions.’ That’s what he should’ve done with Joe on Sunday as they committed to speaking to the public about Trump’s failures and how Democrats and progressives of both stripes will fix it and change our future. Instead he’s still fighting for himself, nobody else, in a fractious civil war no one else cares about anymore. To anyone outside of the faithful he looks like an old man screaming at the wind as the rest of the world burns.

The best I can say is at least he's raising money for some worthwhile causes (I assume), but the rest is very much the usual "clap louder" to ever-diminishing circles. People keep saying he's out there, where is Joe, where is Nancy, but doing a livestream and a fireside chat is not going to matter. This is one of the pitfalls of a movement that venerated a very old, very sick man and spit poison at anyone who could genuinely lead. 

1 hour ago, Vee said:

This will get worse for him, bc he can't tolerate the daily pressure of the briefings without constant adulation and his staff never satisfy him vs. the public. He's crumbling mentally.

 

 

Apologies for Haberman:

 

 

It's time for the media to stop covering these and just interview experts instead. They are doing nothing but bolstering Trump's appeal even though he has done absolutely nothing to warrant the support. Any time he melts down, it's just seen as the norm. Any time he doesn't melt down, it's seen as an amazing step forward. 

Peter Alexander being "shocked" that such a minor question got such a vicious response tells you what you need to know about how much of a bubble the media remains in. They still want Trump to be their "strong father," like McCain was. Only days ago, Dana Bash was gushing over Trump for the bare minimum. Yet this will continue, as they need Trump to be what he will never be, and they also know that they are as replaceable as ever - imagine how they feel when they see Sean Spicer being shameless enough to come back and ask a question, showing them what a sham their jobs are. 

Sounds like Pence's propaganda team in place. I'm sure he was less volatile, but considering his track record in Indiana (and I don't remember anything getting better with the White House handling either), I have a hard time believing he was much help here. 

I just wonder how long it will be before Fauci and Bix are banished. Fauci was seen looking disdainful of one of his jokes today, so it won't be long. 

1 hour ago, Vee said:

 

My first known social contact is infected - a young family friend, a student in Germany with asthma. He's quarantined away from his family, and was already concerned bc his grandfather has COPD. I'm trying to comfort people where I can. I used to be glad my grandparents didn't live to see Trump or the return of overt antisemitism and Nazism, complete with that mass shooting at the PA synagogue ten mins from their home a few years ago. Now, knowing they lived through WWII, the Depression and in Grandpa's case Spanish flu, I wish we had their wisdom - and faith - to lean on.

I'm sorry about your friend. I was just thinking about some of my family who passed - one who was about the sweetest, kindest person I've known, and who'd developed heart problems, passed away just a month before all this really started. I think maybe it was a kindness.

I wonder if Joe's response is down to "where's Joe" trending. To be honest I think he may be better off avoiding this type of thing, after how badly the livestream was handled, but it's not up to me...

2 hours ago, Khan said:

Speaking of those stimulus checks, I hear Sen. Lindsey Graham and Mark Meadows are doing their damnedest to persuade Donald Trump to quash the idea.  True?

Graham has been beating the drum about this for a week now. It's one of the reasons I don't believe anything will happen, or if it does, it will be watered down and only big business will benefit. If it weren't an election year it definitely wouldn't be happening. 

Graham is the ultimate piece of [!@#$%^&*]. Sadly the only people I know in SC who are against him or Trump are very elderly and likely aren't going to be voting as they have a ton of other things they're going through. I just hope there is a surprise in November (a good one, I should say).

His opponent is Jaime Harrison.

https://jaimeharrison.com/

Finally a liberal meme worth saving.