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@Wales2004 it's funny you say that because I found myself wondering how this subthread turned into one of the richest, deepest political discussions I've seen.

They are rendering themselves irrelevant because they abhor compromise. For all the talk of the power of these voters they've accomplished nothing. Bernie decisively lost the primary and his surrogates like Tulsi Gabbard and Nina Turner are more irrelevant for their involvement with him. They have no interest in downballot races so they are no use in trying to harness them for local races. Ellison is basically co-chair which *is* a win for the "revolution" but their entitlement makes it impossible for them to accept that. Bernie doesn't really have all the juice he's being credited with because his followers come from a place of ideological purity. They want to spread the gospel of Bernie. They aren't interested in listening.

I disagree. Bernie supporters don't want to shift the part because they don't care about the party. They care about Bernie. The Dems are a coalition. Neither Bernie nor his supporters are care about that. That's why they've fallen back on the call to get away from "identity politics." Little by little they would've thrown every constituency under the bus because that's what they did during his campaign. Putting the party in the hands of people who won't vote unless they get their balls tickled would've been a disaster. I mean look at how they're acting. Ellison is second in command and they're acting like he got a bucket of pig's blood dumped on him at prom. These are people who couldn't even be bothered to learn the rules for open vs. closed primaries and then when they did they claimed "rigging." More people chose Hillary. Millions more chose her during the primary and millions more chose her during the general.

Yeah. Sadly, trolling Trump on Twitter is part of the gig now.

Not really. Trump attracted a lot of people who didn't vote Republican. You're right that GOP voters tend to stay in lockstep but you can see even with CPAC that there is some pushing back from the establishment types against the alt right. There were people who showed yp for Trump who wouldn't have bothered for Rubio or Bush. Honestly if Bernie died tomorrow a lot of the people bitching the loudest now would go right back to not giving a damn. That's why it's pointless to try and win them over. They don't care about the party or the platform. Just Bernie. To your last sentence, these aren't liberals. These are "progressives."

The Democrats can come together but the Berniacs aren't going to be part of it. They're a lost cause like the Trumpers and like so many Trumpers they only showed up to vote because of the person and not the principles so there's no point in trying to please them. They aren't Democrats, they don't vote reliably, and they alienate key constituencies in their quest for purity. The Dems are a coalition party. The Berniacs won't accept that.

Agreed which is why I'm glad they didn't get to hijack the party. At this point these people should just accept that the Democratic Party isn't the place for them and join the Greens.

They stopped a NASA scientist born in this country at the border and demanded he unlock his phone just because he had brown skin. This kind of thing always finds ways to include new "others." Case in point, Muhammad Ali Jr. got detained and asked about his religion.

We're going to see Border Patrol turn into the same thing we see from polices: hyper-militarized power tripping loons with zero accountability. Don't feed the troll.

I hate this. The gateway to opioid addiction is...opiates. People get prescribed painkillers and get hooked.

Honestly those briefings are just theater now anyway. Spicer stands up there and lies.

I have as tough time getting my head around the Russia stuff because his supporters genuinely don't care that a foreign power interfered with our election but I feel like the GOP cares but not enough to do anything. Plus I can't help but wonder how many other people have been hacked, compromised or blackmailed.

I moved most of my money into bonds shortly after the election. I can't take another hit like the last time the Repubs tanked the economy.

Oh the things you learn on the interwebs. Apparently this hand gesture that Stephen Miller is making is a sign for white power. The three fingers form a "W" and the other two form a "P." So yeah, White House adviser is flashing white nationalist gang signs.

He did? That's a shame. He was my choice Stephen Miller creeps me the hell out. Everything about him screams "serial killer."

Yep. If Bernie's minion ends up as DNC chair, we're screwed.

Trevor St. John was on the most recent episode of The Fosters playing a therapist.

America's going to reduce immigration by turning into the very country these people are running from. It's brilliant.

The trailer for "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" with Renee Elise Goldsberry.

They're fine with pedophilia too. You need only look at the letters of support for Dennis Hastert to see that.

Agreed. Trump supporters are a lost cause.

That reminded me how much I miss Larry Wilmore on TV.

He declared war on the intelligence community and the press. There's no way he comes out of this intact. The only question is whether he comes out of this breathing because I think he's well on his way to a polonium smoothie.

The GOP loves to claim that any opposition comes from paid protesters but Utah just lost a major convention that has been in Salt Lake City for 20 years and generated $45 million dollars because of Republicans desire to sell off public lands.

Vee pretty much brought me around to his way of thinking. There's very little rhyme or reason to all this chaos. Or more accurately there are so many varying objectives by warring factions that there's no overall plan. That said, I think it's important to never let up on the discussion about Russia. That seems to be the key to bringing him down. Like has been stated above they already seem to be in the beginning of a Pence pivot.