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On Another World, they were setting up that Reginald Love's adopted son, Scott LaSalle, was really a triplet to Marley and Vicky.  Reginald showed Donna a picture that caused a nervous breakdown when Anna Stuart left the show.  When she left, Donna was clutching three pillows.  A few months later, when Philece Sampler took over the role of Donna, the triplet storyline was dropped, and it was revealed that Reginald showed her a picture of John Hudson that caused her nervous breakdown.  Scott's true parentage was never revealed before he left the show.

Another World's Bay City was originally a university town located in Michigan .  Sometime during the 1980s, it became a city across Lake Michigan near Chicago, Illinois without any explanation.  It's first spinoff Somerset, was a city 50 miles north of Bay City.  It's unofficial spinoffs For Richer, For Poorer and Lover and Friends was located in the Chicago suburbs of Point Clair, Illinois.  It's other spinoff, Texas, was set in Houston.

While it would be great to see the P&G soaps on a channel like Pluto TV, it has been 10 years since the cancellation of ATWT, its last soap on the air.  None of their shows have popped up on a network or streaming service in 10 years.   It makes you wonder the condition and cataloging of their soaps from 30-40 years ago.  Do all these episodes even still exist?  I could see P&G destroying  the old tapes rather than paying storage fees for them.

Does anyone know how much P&G paid Beverlee McKinsey to star on Texas?   Certainly her "Texas- Starring Beverlee McKinsey" in the opening credits was in her contract.

On 1/3/2021 at 12:38 PM, AbcNbc247 said:

Yeah. For some reason, YT did a massive purge a couple of weeks ago. munecojim and his amazing soap library didn't survive it. 

 

It's terrible that all these great episodes are gone from YouTube.  CBS owns Pluto TV.  P&G should allow their soaps to be place on this channel.  Pluto TV already has a 24/7 Dark Shadows and The Price is Right Bob Barker channels.  It also airs Buzzr, another game show channel that airs almost every old Goodson/Todman game show, including vintage B&W episodes of their programs.

 

Each P&G soap could have its own channel on Pluto TV or just create one channel, like SoapNet and air the shows in a block and repeat them throughout the day and switch the episodes each day.

On Another World, Rachel confronts Iris about betraying Mac's memory

 

 

After watching the December 30, 1983 episode of AW, anyone think the Mac's speech at the end of show about the old and new Royal Hotel was actually a speech about the show itself.  Talking about how the hotel had fallen into disrepair (AW's 1981-82) and the renovations trying to restore the hotel to its' former grandeur (AW in 1983).   

10 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Not sure if this was already known, but I was looking at a soap magazine from, I guess, March 1994, and they mentioned the show was trying to bring back John Aprea. They also mentioned casting was in the works for Felicia's new love interest, "Maxwell Kramer."

 

They did ultimately bring Aprea back 3 years later, but I wonder if the delay is why Felicia didn't do a lot in 1994 or early 1995.

 

The only storylines that Felicia had between her alcoholism story in 1993 and her affair with John Hudson in 1995 was the Misery ripoff storyline where Felicia was kidnapped by Walter Trask and when she shot Lorna's rapist Kyle Barkley in self-defense. 

Jason Frame was supposed to have two daughters.  I think it got lost in the change of writers from Sheri Anderson to Harding Lemay with the writer's strike thrown in too.  I suspect Harding Lemay changed Jason's two daughters into the return of Sharlene and Josie to Bay City.

 

There was also a change in executive producer at this time from John Whitesell to Michael Laibson in March 1988.

With news coming this week that DAYS has hired both Jackee Harry and Linda Dano for upcoming roles in 2021, I really hope they get to interact on screen.  It's not Felicia Gallant and Lily Mason, but I do find it interesting that DAYS announced their hirings during the same week.  Now if they can get Stephen Schnetzer back on DAYS as Julie's brother Steven Olson.

I think NBC and P&G also thought that Courtney's return would raise AW back to the top of the ratings after those terrible ratings in 1981-82.  When a huge increase in the ratings did not happen, I wonder if TPTB thought that Alice was an expendable character who could easily be written out of the show.  Something just wasn't right....

It would be cool if they could reunite her on screen with her AW co-star Petronia Paley who played Quinn somehow.

 

All their male co-star on AW went on to make it big in Hollywood- Morgan Freeman, Joe Morton, James Pickens, and the late Howard Rollins.

On 12/5/2020 at 12:35 AM, vetsoapfan said:

 

It is quite baffling how much TPTB TOTALLY botched Jacquie Courtney's return to the show. They completely screwed it up. I'd love to know what was going on behind the scenes at that time.

 

I thought that AW was vastly improved and highly entertaining during 1984 with Allen Potter as EP and Gary Tomlin and Richard Culliton as headwriters. Potter retired at the end of 1984, and was supposed to replaced by Mary Ellis Bunim who was the EP of ATWT.  Bunim instead joined the Dobsons on Santa Barbara.  Stephen Schenkel took over AW in January 1985. He was an executive at Benton & Bowles, one of the advertising agencies that P&G used to assist in producing their soaps.  Tomlin was still headwriter, then there was a writer's strike.  Courtney left the show during the writer's strike episodes in April.  So for a few months in 1985 I don't think the show had an official headwriter in Spring and early summer.  Sam Hall and Gillian Spencer were named headwriters in the summer.  The decline in quality was quite noticeable from 1984 to 1985.

22 hours ago, Neil Johnson said:

 

I loved Victoria Wyndham. But over the years, she had some of the most terrible hairstyles (mostly curly perms) of any soap star.  They didn't do that to Susan Lucci, Erica Slezak, or Kathryn Hays.  Sometimes I look at old photos and videos of VW, and I'm almost embarrassed for her.  Sadly, it was almost as if somebody was experimenting with her hair.   

 

The best hairstyle VW ever had was around 1993-94.  I didn't mind when Rachel wore here hair in a bun from 1996-99, but it always reminded me of Justine .

 

 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think a pairing could have worked with Jacquie and Douglass, but a triangle with Steve or a quad with Rachel is one of those "soapy" ideas that is better off left to fan fiction.

 

TPTB had and missed a great opportunity in 1985 when Rachel got amnesia and spurned Mac- even moving out of the Cory mansion for a time.  Mac and  Alice could have started seeing each other again.  Jacqueline Courtney was released from the show at this time, and AW missed a big opportunity for a great storyline.

Has anyone else noticed that large blocks of AW episodes that were posted to YouTube have suddenly disappeared, especially those episodes from the early 80s?   Wonder why they were deleted after being there for years?

1 hour ago, Fevuh said:

I agree.  I've tuned in a couple of times and it doesn't have the same feel.  But the more I've learned about TPIR the more disillusioned I am with it.  I guess I should have known but had never heard it confirmed until recently.  I was reading an article where they interviewed the Director of Casting and I was like...what???  They interview and choose the contestants and it's not random at all.  This format shows it more than ever where they just have the contestants come out from back stage.  The Casting person said they have to interview people to be contestants to make sure they'd be exciting.  It just kind of took the wind out of the show for me.  You just kind of want to believe that a normal, every day person gets chosen from the audience at random.  

 

Pluto TV has debuted a new channel this morning The Price Is Right- The Barker Era on Channel 163.  This is a 24/7 channel dedicated to broadcasting vintage TPIR episodes with Bob Barker.  Some of these episodes have not been seen in 40 years.

 

https://deadline.com/2020/11/the-price-is-right-bob-barker-fremantle-pluto-tv-channel-1234635433/

 

Pluto TV also has a 24/7 Dark Shadows channel as well.  Wonder if other cancelled daytime favorites could show up on Pluto TV in the future?

Pluto TV has debuted a new channel this morning The Price Is Right- The Barker Era on Channel 163.  This is a 24/7 channel dedicated to broadcasting vintage TPIR episodes with Bob Barker.  Some of these episodes have not been seen in 40 years.

 

https://deadline.com/2020/11/the-price-is-right-bob-barker-fremantle-pluto-tv-channel-1234635433/

 

Pluto TV also has a 24/7 Dark Shadows channel as well.  Wonder if other cancelled daytime favorites could show up on Pluto TV in the future?

6 hours ago, kalbir said:

Let's go back 10 years prior to 1980. Imagine what the topics would've been then. Maybe it's me, but it seems like every show besides the ABC big three was a mess in the early 1980s. We know NBC on the whole was a giant mess in the early 1980s. CBS Daytime was shaken up by the huge rise of the ABC big three, thus the numerous scheduling changes in the early 1980s.

 

The P&G soaps alone could have filled up several message boards:

 

1. P&G Soaps Get Facelifts with New Themes and Opening Credits

2. AW's 90 Minute Expansion- Long Running Cast Member Michael Ryan (John) Leaves Series in Firey Blaze

3. AW On Location Shoot in St. Croix for Climax of Rachel/Mac/Janice Storyline

3. AW Returns to 60 Minutes and Switches Timeslots

4. AW's Ray Liotta (Joey) Leaves Show in Search of Hollywood Stardom

5. Beverlee McKinsey Leaves AW to Star in New AW Spinoff TEXAS

6. Beverlee McKinsey to Receive Star Billing on New NBC Soap TEXAS

7. AW Releases Long Time Cast Member Beverly Penberthy (Pat)

8. AW's Douglass Watson Upsets GH's Tony Geary as Best Actor at the 1980 Daytime Emmys

9. AW's Douglass Watson Does it Again- Upsets GH's Tony Geary as Best Actor at the 1981 Daytime Emmys

10. Former AW Headwriter Harding Lemay Pens Tell All Book About the Show

11. AW's Headwriter L. Virginia Brown Transferred to GL; New Headwriter Corrine Jacker Takes Over

12. AW's Steve Frame Lives- BONANZA Actor David Canary Takes Over Roll

13. Longtime AW EP Paul Rauch Out- Replaced by GL EP Allen Potter

14. Can AW's First EP Allen Potter Work His Magic a Second Time?

15. ATWT and SFT Swap Producers- Bunim in at ATWT and Bartholomew in at SFT

16. ATWT Vets Don McLaughlin (Chris) and Helen Wagner (Nancy) Released from Contracts

17. ATWT Vet Eileen Fulton (Lisa) Leaves Series

18. ATWT On Location in Spain as James Tries to Kill Barbara

19. ATWT- Who Killed John Dixon?

20. ATWT's Kim Finds Love On Location in Greece

21. ATWT's Annie Has Quadruplets 

22. ATWT's Tom and Margo Terrorized by Mr. Big

23. ATWT's Meg Ryan (Betsy) Leaves Show for Hollywood Stardom

24. GL's Roger Rapes Holly

25. GL's Roger Dies in Final Showdown with Bauer Brothers

26. Long Running GL Cast Member Stefan Schnabel (Dr. Steven Jackson)Fired

27. GL Loses Another Long Time Cast Member as Millette Alexander (Dr. Sara McIntyre) Leaves Series

28. GL's Kelly Learns the Truth About Nola's Lies

29. GL Upsets GH at the Emmys

30. GL Upsets GH at the Emmys Again

31. AW's Maeve Kinkead (ex-Angie) Debuts as GL's Vanessa After Backstage Harassment at AW

32. GH Emmy Winner Jane Elliott Leaves Series for GL Role

33. DOCTORS and GH Writer Douglas Marland Replaces Dobsons as Headwriters; Dobsons Transferred to ATWT

34. Emmy Winner Jane Elliott Fired from GL after Convoluted Multiple Personality Fizzles

35. All is Forgiven- Harding Lemay Hired as GL Scriptwriter After Penning P&G Tell All About AW

36. Douglas Marland Quits as GL Headwriter- Replaced by AW Headwriter L. Virginia Browne

37. Freddie (Rick) Bauer and Phillip Spaulding SORASED at GL

38. Kevin Bacon (Tim) Leaves GL to Try His Luck in Hollywood 

39. GL's EP Allen Potter Returns to AW- Replaced by TEXAS EP Gail Kobe at GL

40. EON's Nicole Has a Surprise Sister- Lori Laughlin Makes Debut as Jodi

41. Longtime EON Headwriter Henry Slesar Fired in Last Ditch Effort to Save Series; Replaced by Lee Sheldon

42. As More ABC Affiliates Drop EON, the Series is Cancelled after 28 Years

43. After 30 Years, CBS Switches SFT's Timeslot to 2:30 PM

44. SFT Switches Networks to NBC- Replaced by CAPITOL on CBS

45. SFT Resumes 12:30 PM Timeslot on NBC - Low Rated DOCTORS Moves to 12:00 PM Ensuring Imminent Cancellation 

46. SFT Hires Former AW Headwriter Harding Lemay- Can He Restore the Show's Former Grandeur 

47. NBC Debuts TEXAS in 3 PM EST Timeslot Against Ratings Powerhouse GH and Emmy Winner GL

48. After One Year, TEXAS Star Beverlee McKinsey (Iris) Quits Series

49. Paul Rauch Out as TEXAS EP; Former Actress Gail Kobe In

50. In a Last Ditch Effort to Save TEXAS, NBC and P&G Switch Timeslot to 11:00 AM and Take a Chance on New Headwriter Pamela Long

 

 

 

I'm curious to know how The Price Is Right did its first week back after changing its format.  Not having the live audience there really changes the dynamic of the show.  It's like you're watching a totally different show.

The theme to Kings Crossing was composed by Jerrold Immel who also did the theme songs for Dallas and Knots Landing.

4 hours ago, Neil Johnson said:

 

That's really interesting.  I wish Mike would have explained the context of this discovery, and explained why/how he feels Hill was her maiden name.  I found the announcement in the updates on AWHP, but there was no explanation at all.   

 

In the synopsis for April 8, 1966 there is the note that in the script, Liz's maiden name may have been Hill. Liz gives the name "Mrs. William Hill Matthews" for wedding invitations that would be addressed by her as the mother of the groom for Bill and Missy's wedding.

12 hours ago, denzo30 said:

I would have loved to have seen the original script but I am guessing unlikely the Janice part.  Frankly, they should have bought back more past characters even if it were just for a cameo appearance.  People like Elena Depulinac, Louise Goddard

 

I'm sure that one of the episodes would end with Douglass Watson giving a famous Mac Cory toast to the audience thanking them for 25 years of Another World.  Also, I wonder in the original script did Iris save Mac rather than Rachel "redeeming" herself after being revealed as The Chief.

6 hours ago, denzo30 said:

I have mentioned the same thing out here multiple times.  You have JC, GR and VW all in the same room and you cant do a scene.? As Neil said, I am sure because JC was just a guest and I know the whole anniversary was focued on Rachel or maybe again just real sloppy writing that it ever dawned on them to bring ALice into a heaven scene with Steve.  However, Donna Swajeski was writing at this time and she worked with Harding Lemay months before the anniversary so she had a good history of the characters but what a shame.  I noticed a lot of things about the 25th anniversary of characters that should have ineracted but did not.. 

 

Also, all of the 25th anniversary episodes had to be revised and hastily rewritten after the sudden death of Douglass Watson.  Mac was probably heavily featured in these episodes.  The speech that Rachel gave at the party we can assume would have been given to Watson.  I wonder if the show ever planned for Mac to have some sort of scene with Christine Jones' Janice?

3 hours ago, Chatty Cakes said:

I like Paris, she has a lot more spunk than her sister.  
 

 

 

I kept wondering where I had seen Paris before.  I looked her up and Diamond White played Tyler Perry's bratty daughter Tiffany in the Madea movies.  Tiffany is the character that kept wanting to go to the frat Halloween parties and got Madea, Aunt Bam, and Hattie involved in Boo and Boo 2.