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2 hours ago, Spoon said:

Best timeslot would be 3pm.  GH had great success in that slot and GL had the slot for years. 

From 1964-1978, Another World had much success in the 3 PM timeslot, even with CBS counterprogramming by moving Price is Right to the afternoon and pairing it with the popular Match Game.  CBS also programmed All in the Family (#1 primetime show) and MASH rereuns against AW in the 3 PM timeslot.

Once NBC moved Another World to 2:30 in March 1979, then 2:00 in August 1980, the show would never regain its footing as a high rated daytime program.  It would spend almost 20 years with ratings fluctuating between the middle to low end of the ratings.

Create a P&G soap channel on Pluto TV that debuts a new episode of each show daily and repeats 3 times during the day.  Create branding themes like CBS used to do for their soaps- "This week on..."  P&G if it chose to do so could still advertise its products on the soaps.  Do special marathons on the weekends- best weddings, best villains, etc.

12:00 PM/ 6:00 PM/ 12:00 AM/ 6:00 AM Search for Tomorrow- 2 episodes 

1:00 PM/ 7:00 PM/ 1:00 AM / 7:00 AM As the World Turns

2:00 PM/ 8:00 PM/ 2:00 AM/ 8:00 AM Another World

3:00 PM/ 9:00 PM/ 3:00 AM/ 9:00 AM Guiding Light

4:00 PM/ 10:00 PM/ 4:00 AM/ 10:00 AM Texas

5:00 PM/ 11:00 PM/ 5:00 AM/ 11:00 AM Edge of Night

5:30 PM/ 11:30 PM/ 5:30 AM/ 11:30 AM The Catlins 

1989 was also a pivotal year for Another World.  The year begins with Iris in the thick of things after her return to Bay City hiding the fact the she was the chief of Bennett Publishing that tried to take over Coty Publishing.  Evan Bates was hiding the fact that he was Janice Frame's son.  Felicia was hiding her past as Fanny Grady and being stalked by a mystery man.  Felicia's birthday party would start a major umbrella story for the entire show when she tries to shoot her mystery stalker in a hall of mirrors, but Jason Frame winds up being the murder victim.  At the murder trial, everyone's secret are exposed on the witness stand.  By May, many former characters return to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Cory Publishing to coincide with the 25th anniversary of Another World.  All of this was playing out with the real life news that Douglass Watson who played the show's patriarch Mac Cory died in real life.  Six weeks later the show would play out Mac's death on screen.  This was probably the last time that AW would acknowledge and use its history in the storyline and while the show would go on, things would never be quite right on the show without the character of Mac Cory.

On 1/3/2022 at 10:56 AM, reallyhateskateonlost said:

 Betty White guest starred on ANOTHER WORLD as Brenda Barlowe. 

I watched AW and don't remember her and I can't find any clips.

In January 1988, NBC Daytime created a Where's Betty contest where fans had to guess how many times Betty White popped up on ANOTHER WORLD, DAYS OF OUR LIVES and SANTA BARBARA over the course of a week. The winner was to receive a trip for two to Hawaii and $1,000 cash.

Here Betty's appearance on ANOTHER WORLD as "Brenda Barlowe" who calls Douglass Watson's Mac Cory

Thomas Ian Griffith (Catlin) will debut on Netflix's Cobra Kai this week when he reprises his role of villain Terry Silver.

https://ew.com/tv/cobra-kai-season-4-terry-silver-thomas-ian-griffith-interview/

Here is an early Christmas present I found on YouTube- 16 minutes of late 1960s Another World that is good quality.

Another World could have ended in July 1997 when the show aired the 25th Anniversary episode for Victoria Wyndham- the show was full of great flashbacks and Wyndham gives a speech at the end of the episode that was meant to be a salute to fans- "Thank you for choosing to be part of my life.  I love you very much."

1 hour ago, Khan said:

IIRC, Allen Potter was a producer on ATWT during the early '60's.  He also worked on OUR PRIVATE WORLD.

Potter produced ATWT in the early 60s, then produced Another World in 1964-65, then Our Private World in 1965.  He returned to Another World until he left to produce The Doctors from 1967-73.  Then he went to Guiding Light from 1976-83.  He would return to AW from 1983-84 when he retired at the end of the year.

On 11/10/2021 at 7:14 PM, Nicholas Blair said:

Clarice (Gail Brown) on AW was supposed to be on for one or two shows, blowing bubble gum at Iris' swanky party, but the audience wanted more, so she became a regular for a few years. Not bad for a day player!

Clarice lasted 11 years on Another World from February 7, 1975 to August 15, 1986.  Clarice was never a major star on the show, but she was given some stories throughout the years- having a baby with Robert Delaney, being raped by Jerry Grove, Carl Hutchins hitman, Ross, planted a bomb in the Ewing car intended for Larry, but Clarice survived when the car exploded.  They created a family for Clarice, and her father married Ada.  This made her Rachel's step sister, and probably contributed to her longevity on the show.

3 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Where and why did that all go wrong?

 

Like with every long running soap with mediocre ratings, too many changes in writers and producers.  And the switch from CBS to NBC did SFT no favors.  Ironically, the show was at its best on NBC at the time of its cancellation in 1986.  SFT had one of the best final episodes of a soap. Did P&G and NBC really think in 1982 that the entire CBS audience would follow the show to NBC?  The average rating of the show on CBS during 1981-82 season was 6.8.  The average rating of the show on on NBC during the 1981-82 season was 3.4.  

8 minutes ago, j swift said:

I plan on doing a deep dive into this thread tomorrow while my holiday breads are rising, so forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but what did NBC run in the time slot during L&F's seven month hiatus?

Initially, Chico and the Man reruns aired when Lovers and Friends was pulled from the lineup.

10 hours ago, Mitch said:

She did, and the producer before her...(he of the bad lighting, cheap sets and garish make up) was Fred Bartholemew...former child star, turned ad agency exec who was given ATWT and was pretty much a hack...I remember when Search was on before ATWT as a kid, even if I wasnt interested...it always looked better then ATWT did at that time.

P&G did one of their famous producer swaps in Fall 1981.  Mary Ellis Bunim went to ATWT and Fred Bartholemew went to SFT.  Bartholemew was the EP at SFT when it left CBS for NBC in March 1982.

Another World- Nancy McGowan, Jamie Frame, Cecile DePoulignac, Sandy Cory, Blaine Cory, Alice Frame

1 hour ago, Frank2803 said:

I wonder what the writers had planned for Roger Thorpe before Zaslow was terminated?

Also plans for Mac Cory before Watson's untimely death 

I'm sure AW had a storyline planned where Iris would get back into Mac's good graces, and Rachel would have been skeptical of everything Iris did.

In 1985, Another World had started a storyline involving Carl Hutchins stealing an Egyptian treasure with the show's younger couples- Nancy and Chris and Marley and Jake- involved as well.  The show originally planned to film location sequences in Egypt; however, this changed when the Italian cruise ship The Achille Lauro was hijacked by four men representing the Palestine Liberation Front off the coast of Egypt on October 7, 1985. An American man in a wheelchair, Leon Klinghoffer, was murdered by the hijackers and thrown overboard. Since the location sequence in Egypt was deemed too dangerous, the show wrote into the storyline that Carl Hutchins had transferred the Egyptian treasure to the Arizona desert and hid it.  The location sequence was filmed in Arizona later in October and aired in November.

Killing Lucas on Another World, then turning his wife Felicia into an alcoholic on Another World.  Using a popular character in a storyline like this is a risk, but for over a year Linda Dano did a fantastic and realistic job playing an alcoholic who hit rock bottom.  The storyline won Dano an Emmy and the show was nominated for writing Emmys as well.  Felicia's intervention is on point- great acting, great writing, great directing.  Dano, Alicia Coppola, Stephen Schnetzer, and Vicky Wyndham all gave great performances during that intervention.

6 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I think by that  point it was impossible to break up Mac and Rachel again, and then after Mac died and Rachel went through a period of mourning, Espy was leaving.  If he  had stayed I wonder if we would have had  more with Rachel and  Mitch.

After Mac died, I never understood why they did not pair Rachel with Russ.  Vicky Wyndham did have chemistry with David Bailey's Russ.  Even if it wasn't a long term pairing, having Rachel lean on Russ would have caused all kinds of conflict and the show could have used the history of these two characters.  Once it was revealed that Russ was Josie's father, he left Bay City only to return for a few guest appearances.

31 minutes ago, Nicholas Blair said:

I watched a little of the beginning of this show, did not like it, and gave up. Apparently it got better later on.

Harding Lemay sometimes had problems recognizing which men had sex appeal and which didn't. If Iris had a long-lost love she had never gotten over, of three actors who were on the show, for her long-lost love would you cast Lee Patterson, heartthrob from Surfside 6 and OLTL; Donald May, alpha male star of EON; or Bert Kramer, average middle-aged guy you might meet on the street? Lemay unerringly chose Door #3.

The big problem with introducing Texas was that several characters were introduced and their storylines began on Another World in the months leading up to the Texas premiere in August.  So if a new viewer who never watched Another World tuned in to the premiere of Texas on August 4, 1980, they were watching the debut, but they had a hard time following all the storylines because they were already playing out in June and July on Another World.  Another World even ran extra long credits listing both casts and crews for both shows during June and July.

Just now, chrisml said:

Thank you for the info. I figured it had to be something like this since I had never read anything about him being on the show. It's amazing to me how much talent AW squandered in the eighties. 

At one point, Gil's mom and dad were also introduced in 1983- Marie and George Fenton.  Marie worked at Smiley's as a waitress with Maisie.

12 minutes ago, chrisml said:

I caught a Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour playlist on youtube, and I see they have a lot of AW actors: David Oliver, Mary Page Keller, Kim Morgan Greene, Rick Porter, etc. I was aware of their characters even if I hadn't seen them. However, Tom Wiggin was introduced as being from Another World. I had no idea he was on the show. Did he play an important character or was he one of those 80's AW characters who drift in and drift right back out?

Tom Wiggin played Gil Fenton.  He was introduced as Felicia's chauffeur and debuted on the same episode as Linda Dano's Felicia.  He was involved with Felicia for awhile, then dated Julia Shearer.  He worked for Frame Construction and disappeared from the show sometime in 1984.

10 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

ITA that her take on Maggie Ashley was not successful, but I tend to blame the conception of that character and the production end of things for the failure. The clipped British accent, which poor Courtney couldn't pull off...why was that even imposed on her? The awful, fake wig...why? Those frumpy glasses which kept sliding down her nose and made Maggie seem like a caricature rather than an actual character...why? I daresay that a majority of actresses would have failed bringing Maggie successfully to life under those punitive conditions. Ugh.

Does any of JC's Maggie Ashley exist on YouTube?  JC's Maggie sounds just like what happened to Vicky Wyndham playing Justine- a clipped British accent - and while they didn't give VW a bad wig and glasses- they did give her a deformed face and a hook for a hand.  

8 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

Then she became too humorless in 1995-96. There always seemed to be an imbalance.

Nancy Frangione's return in 1995 was a disaster because of the producers and writers.  AW had tried to get her to return full time for many years to no avail.  Frangione returned in 1986, 1989, and 1993 for short returns, but it finally looked like she was ready to return to the show full time in 1995.  JFP treated her like a day player, listing her with the recurring cast members in the credits rather than signing her to a contract.  Then, when JFP updated the opening credits in March, 1996 Frangione wasn't included because she was not on contract.  

The writers also did Cecile a disservice first by having her "kidnap" her own daughter to get ransom money.   Then, the writers tried to say Cass was really Maggie's father when much of 1982 was taken up with Sandy or Jamie being Maggie's father.  Cass wasn't even on the show at that time.  Then, Cecile is written out of the show in June, 1996 broke and down on her luck never to be seen on the show again.  

What a waste of a talented actress and a character with years of history with the show that could have driven storylines for years.

2 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Exactly!

He didn’t need to die in the hospital. What should’ve have happened is that after Grant shot him, he falls off the train trestle with Justine and is presumed dead. That way you leave the door open for an actual return and not just as a ghost. 

I wonder what happened in PMV’s life that led to him coming back to AW just a year later 

I'm sure the story got changed many times given what we saw on TV, but I've always wondered what the original intention for Jordan Stark was.  All of Bay City was invited to the costume party at the top of a skyscraper.  I wonder if TPTB originally wanted to bring back a character like Ryan as the masked Jordan Stark.  The other thing about the beginning of the Lumina story was that Jordan Stark had a  young sidekick named Zak Wilder.  Initially, I thought the show was going to do some Batman and Robin crime fighter storyline with Stark and Wilder.  That would have been better than the time traveling picture ending we got.  Remember in the party scenes, they had Joe Barbara play Jordan Stark with the mask on his face before they cast the role.

5 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Inspired by Joseph's comment in the Unpopular Opinion thread... why do we think that Victoria W. was so consistently snubbed by the Emmys (only got nominated in 78/79 and then twenty years of nothing)?

I think that Victoria Wyndham and Beverlee McKinsey's nominations in 1978 and 1979 canceled each other out by the Academy voters.  The ironic thing was that in both those years, they were beat by another AW actress that was nominated in the lead actress category.  Laurie Heineman as Sharlene Frame in 1978 and Irene Dailey as Liz Matthews in 1979.

i can think of 3 distinct times that Wyndham should have at least been nominated for an Emmy: in 1989-90 for the reveal of Iris as the Chief, Mac's death and aftermath, and her showdown with Vicky right before the Cory Publishing board meeting; in 1992-93 if she submitted herself for supporting actress, which she was, for Felicia's alcoholism storyline and the scene where she confronts Felicia at her intervention she would have won that Emmy- it was excellent; in 1993-94 where she leaves Bay City after everyone believed that Mac was part of the crooked rainforest deal, moves to New York City under her maiden name Rachel Davis, befriends Loretta, and is romanced by Carl.

The 1995 scenes as Rachel and Justine would not have gotten her a nomination because Justine was so over the top and such a cartoonish villain.

Two of Rachel's better looks was in the mid-70s when she first met Mac Cory and around 1993-94 before she grew her hair long when she married Carl