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On the classic NBC sitcom, Sanford and Son, Fred (Redd Foxx) follows Lamont (Demond Wilson) and Rollo (Nathaniel Taylor) to a studio to get a part in a movie, not knowing that it is a pornographic movie. At the 6:40 mark, Fred enters the producer's office and there is a picture of Alice Frame (Jacqueline Courtney) and Eliot Carrington (James Douglas) directly over Fred's shoulder. The publicity department at NBC must have given the show the photos. This episode also contains one of Aunt Esther's (Lawanda Page) first appearances on the show. At the 14:45 mark begins a hilarious exchange between Fred and Aunt Esther in the jail. There is no way a writer scripted all the one-liners in this scene. Rather, it relies on the comic genius of Foxx and Page and the chemistry they had together.
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Yesterday, the Hallmark Channel aired the episode of The Golden Girls entitled "The Flu." Beginning at the 11:00 mark, Dorothy and Blanche start a funny exchange on whether or not they will watch the continuing story of Another World as they stuck in the house with the flu. http://youtu.be/Ea1tX1noEpg
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YES! YES! YES! Could not agree with you more about Ford and Wyndham. In the next few weeks, a lot of things happen with the Rachel in jail storyline. Ruby will tell Rachel about Sue and Danny finding a man in their van after pulling some robberies in the Cory neighborhood- the man is Mitch. Rachel will give birth to Matthew the week before Christmas. Mac puts two and two together with the Sue and Danny story and starts to investigate whether Mitch is alive. Charlie will die in his sleep leaving Ada a widow again. Rachel will break out of prison to discover Mitch is alive. Making her a part of the extended Cory family is a good idea- wonder why TPTB never thought of that...
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Was Miranda the writers' way of replacing Iris as Bay City's resident troublemaker since Iris had moved to Houston at this point? I did not start watching AW regularly until 1983, and I have only seen bits and pieces of Miranda from YouTube episodes. It seems that she did not last long on the show.
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Below is the complete November 25, 1980 episode of Another World in which Mac learns that Mitch is the father of Rachel's baby. This is the cleanest, most pristine copy of the episode that I have ever seen. Outstanding performances by all those involved, especially Douglass Watson who won an Emmy for his performance of Mac.
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43 years ago today Victoria Wyndham began playing the role of Rachel on Another World. Below are clips from her 25th anniversary show. The episode certainly showed us viewers that she could play any material that was given to her and what great chemistry she had with her co-stars. How she and Constance Ford never won a Daytime Emmy will remain one of daytime television's greatest mysteries.
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From 79-82, there were numerous time slot changes at NBC Daytime: AW expanded to 90 minutes and began at 2:30 instead of 3:00. Then it is moved to 2:00. The Doctors moved from 2:30 to 2:00 PM, then was moved to 12:30, then was bumped up to 12:00 when Search for Tomorrow premiered. Texas stayed in the 3:00 time slot for approximately 18 months, then was moved to the 11 AM slot against The Price is Right. During this time numerous game shows also premiered, as well as David Letterman's daytime show. At one point, NBC was using reruns of Chips as filler during the 3 PM time slot.
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The 90 minute format was like doing an extra 10 episodes of a 60 minute program in a month. From what I have read, NBC boss Fred Silverman wanted a bigger, better AW. While he had successful runs at CBS and ABC, his time at NBC was a disaster in both primetime and daytime. The only primetime shows that were successes during his tenure were Diffrent Strokes, Chips, and Facts of Life. He was the mastermind behind Supertrain- think Love Boat on a train and to revive Sanford and Son- one of the most successful sitcoms of the 70s- without Demond Wilson as Lamont. As great a comic as Redd Foxx was, the show flopped because there was no Lamont, and Fred's foe, Aunt Esther only made occasional appearances. NBC Daytime ratings were starting to slide because of the competition from the ABC soaps. At the 90 minute expansion, AW switched time slots to 2:30 PM, The Doctors moved to 2:00 PM, and Days settled into its 1:00 PM time slots where it remains today. Then, Harding Lemay left as headwriter, Bay City became overpopulated with new characters that no one cared about. Then, once TPTB found that 90 minute AW was not working, the idea was hatched to clone Dallas with the spin-off Texas starring one of AW's biggest stars Beverlee McKinsey. NBC purposely set the August premier of Texas because ABC would be airing the Olympics and pre-empting soaps. This did not happen because of the US boycott of the Olympics. So, Texas premiers, shifting the times of NBC soaps again. The Doctors moves to 12:30 PM, Days stays at 1 PM, AW is moved to 2 PM, and Texas is the first soap to debut at 60 minutes at 3 PM against General Hospital and Guiding Light. For Texas to succeed, it should have been sandwiched between Days and AW or placed in the 12:30 time slot, thus returning the other NBC soaps back to their pre- 90 minute AW time slots. In 18 months, AW expanded to 90 minutes, lost a long time headwriter, changed time slots twice, then lost one of its biggest stars to the spin-off Texas. I'm sure that Victoria Wyndham was none too happy that Beverlee McKinsey received star billing on Texas- "Texas starring Beverlee McKinsey." If AW would have still been riding high in the ratings, I'm sure at some point the Bill Wolff would have been saying "Another World starring Victoria Wyndham" just to even the playing field.
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I would think that a copy of that episode exists somewhere. With Courtney and Reinholt having passed away, I wonder if they ever saved episodes of their work and who is in possession of them now. I also wonder if Strasser saved any copies of her episodes. P&G, at one point, probably would have saved a copy of the engagement party episode just in case they wanted to use it as a flashback in a future episode. I'm sure at one point that P&G had to do that with all significant story points just in case they wanted to include a flashback in a future episode. For example, I'm not sure if the original episode still exists where Rachel killed Janice Frame, but there is a lengthy flashback to that episode below. Two things I always wondered about those scenes- how close was Bay City supposed to be to St. Croix? Rachel still has that wet hair in the hospital when in reality it would take several hours to get back to Bay City from St. Croix. And if Rachel stabbed Janice, how come there was no blood in the pool?!? http://youtu.be/XueINajXDxk
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I think they started saving episodes in the late 70s- to 1980. I'm sure earlier episodes exist, just not the entire catalog for a particular show. I wonder if ABC saved all the episodes of EON when it switched networks. I am sure that most episodes of Texas exist, as well as the NBC run of SFT. They probably saved AW from the beginning of the 1979 90 minutes episodes, and I would assume they started saving GL and ATWT at the same time.
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With all of these TV sub-channels popping up- Antenna TV, MeTV, Decades, RetroTV, why is P&G just letting all their material that does exist collect dust somewhere? It makes no sense, since the audience that brought their shows their initial popularity in the 50s-early 70s, are now retired and would most likely watch the shows again. This would also allow new audiences who never saw the P&G shows when they initially ran to watch for the first time as well. When you think about it, no one under 30 has seen an episode of EON or SFT broadcast on TV, only on sources like YouTube. There is enough P&G material to fill up an afternoon lineup on one of these sub-channels- SFT, ATWT, GL, AW, TEXAS, EON, and if it was saved The Catlins. I wonder what still exists from Somerset and Lovers & Friends/For Richer, For Poorer?
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If this is the same actor, and I suspect it is, Hearne has extensive Broadway credits according to his Wikipedia page- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hearn. Also, his Wikipedia page states that Hearne " was born in St. Louis, Missouri, studied philosophy at Southwestern at Memphis, now Rhodes College before he embarked on a career in the theater, training for the stage with actress turned acting coach Irene Dailey" (Liz Matthews). He was also married to Dixie Carter (Brandy, EON) during the late 70s.
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P&G certainly did do a lot of producer shuffling. Below is what is documented on the Internet, but I'm sure more than this went on: 1971- AW EP Lyle Hill will serve as EP of the AW spinoff, Somerset, only. CBS executive Paul Rauch is named EP of AW. 1978- AW Producer Joe Rothenberger is named EP of ATWT. 1980- Former EP of ATWT Fred Bartholomew returns to ATWT replacing Joe Rothenberger. Bartholomew served as EP of ATWT from 1971-73. 1981- The EPs of ATWT and SFT swap jobs. Fred Bartholomew becomes EP of SFT and Mary-Ellis Bunim becomes EP of ATWT. 1981- With new soap Texas in ratings trouble, Paul Rauch will serve as EP of AW only. Gail Kobe, a longtime P&G supervising producer, is named EP of Texas. 1983- After the cancellation of Texas, Gail Kobe is named EP of GL. GL EP Allen Potter is transferred back to AW. Potter was AW's original EP in 1964. He replaces Paul Rauch at AW. 1984- AW and GL producer/director Robert Calhoun replaces Mary-Ellis Bunim as EP of ATWT 1985- After the cancellation of EON, Erwin Nicholson becomes EP of SFT. 1985- GL producer/director John Whitesell replaces Erwin Nicholson as EP of SFT. 1986- SFT EP John Whitesell replaces Stephen Schenkel as EP of AW. Joe Willmore, former EP of ATWT from 1973-78, replaces Gail Kobe as EP of GL. 1987- ATWT EP Robert Calhoun replaces Joe Willmore as EP of GL. 1988-ATWT producer Michael Laison replaces John Whitesell as EP of AW. 1994-Longtime P&G supervising producer of GL and EON, John Valente, is promoted as EP of AW, where he was already working as senior producer. 1995- P&G Executive in Charge of Production Kenneth Fitts does an EP shuffle at the 3 remaining P&G soaps. Jill Farren Phelps is transferred from GL to AW. John Valente is transferred from AW to ATWT. Former AW EP Michael Labison is hired as EP of GL. 1996- P&G Executive in Charge of Production Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin hires Paul Rauch to replace Michael Labison as EP of Guiding Light and Felicia Minei Behr to replace John Valente as EP of ATWT. MADD doesn't replace Charlotte Savitz as EP of AW. Savitz would systematically dismantle AW over the next two years. If P&G wanted to save AW, Paul Rauch should have been hired to EP AW, not GL, at this time. 1998- ATWT director Christopher Goutman is hired to become EP at AW. He stays with the show 8 months when it is cancelled. 1999- After Another World's cancellation, EP Christopher Goutman and much of AW's staff are transferred to As the World Turns. He remains EP until the show's cancellation in 2010. 2004- Ellen Wheeler, who won an Emmy as AW's Marley/Vicky, and directed ATWT and served as a producer at GL, is named EP of Guiding Light. She remains EP until the show's cancellation in 2009.
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Sharon Gabet always did great work, even when the writing on the shows she appeared on wasn't that great. She made the most out of the material given to her. The finales of AW and ATWT got me thinking- Christopher Goutman has the distinction of being the executive producer of two long-running P & G shows at the time of cancellation. While he was only at AW for 8 months, he stayed at ATWT for 11 years. P & G was notorious for shuffling producers on their shows. I wonder why they left Goutman at ATWT for so long? The only P & G producers that had longer tenures than Goutman were Lucy Rittenberg at GL- 20+ years and Erwin Nicholson at EON- 18 years. Goutman even tied Paul Rauch's long run at AW with 11 years.
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You make some great points. I understood the reason why the included the Carolyn the gorilla caper. I just would not have included it in the last episode. It could have been done in earlier episodes. Carolyn the gorilla was one of the first capers that Felicia had with Wallingford. The gorilla was named after longtime AW writer Carolyn Culliton, and the zookeeper, Sam Radcliffe, was named after another longtime AW writer that had passed away a few years earlier. They made a point of letting the audience know that Grant was alive and well in Tanquir. The audience would have gone crazy if it was revealed that Grant was plotting against the citizens of Bay City along with the former Queen of Tanquir, Cecile (Nancy Frangione) and Iris (Beverlee McKinsey) in a short scene. The three could have toasted to their revenge. The best parts of the episode were when the cast said something nice about Cass and Lila, yet they were veiled good-byes to the audience, and the last scene with Carl and Rachel was great ending with Mac toasting the audience one last time. I will say that AW only had 6 weeks from its cancellation to film its last episode. Its last episode was head and shoulders above the endings of All My Children- a character firing a gun into a crowded room and One Life to Live- with its Todd/not Todd reveal. I understand why they chose the cliffhanger ending because of their supposed continuation, but there was little closure and familiarity with this type of ending. The worst ending to a show had to be the final ending of As the World Turns. The show was cancelled in December and had to September of the next year when it aired its final episode. If TPTB knew that Helen Wagner was sick, they should have pre-taped an ending keeping the character of Nancy alive so she could have been in the final scene of the series with a dedication to her memory at the end of the episode. They hastily produced a funeral episode for Nancy- a disgrace for a character that was on the show since its first episode. There were no flashbacks, no pictures of past cast members, and Eileen Fulton, the person who brought ATWT its major success, was treated like a day player/under 5 in that last episode. How did it end- with Dr. Bob retiring and a cheap plastic globe spinning on a desk. Given the time and notice they had to wrap the series- it was a major fail.
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Ratings from the 60's
Below is a 1967 episode of You Don't Say with Tom Kennedy as host:
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Never heard this before. According to the IMDb, Elstad had extensive primetime credits writing for series like Eight is Enough, Quincy, Secret of Midland Heights, Fantasy Island, Fame, Dallas, One Day at a Time, Call to Glory, Facts of Life, and Falcon Crest. I'd be interested to see her plans from Soap Opera Digest and to know why she never became headwriter of AW.
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26 years ago today, Another World aired the funeral of Mac Cory, just 6 weeks after Douglass Watson sudden passing. Victoria Wyndham, Constance Ford, and Carmen Duncan do outstanding work in this episode. This is also the last episode of Another World that would feature Jacqueline Courtney as Alice Matthews Frame.
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