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Another World Discussion Thread
The timing of Carol Shelly replacing Beverlee McKinsey as Iris was not the best. In mid-February,, Beverlee fell while fixing a curtain rod in her NYC apartment and badly injured her left shoulder. So the build-up and aftermath of the Janice trying to kill Mac story was played by Shelly, who I thought was a bit over the top. These scenes would have been so much better with McKinsey in them.
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Another World Discussion Thread
In 1980-81, Procter and Gamble replaced / remixed the theme music for 6 of its soaps that were currently on the air- AW, TEXAS, SFT, ATWT, GL, and EON. This included new new title sequences and graphics as well. I believe that P&G thought that the change in themes would "modernize" their soaps to compete with the ABC soaps. Anyone have any background information regarding the change in the themes? Was a big deal made about it in the soap press?
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Anyone know if the live episode saw a bump in the ratings? The week of August 1-5, 1983 was a busy week for NBC Daytime- SFT had the live episode, DAYS featured the beginning of Bo/Hope and the build-up to the murder of Renee DiMera, and AW featured the double weeding of Mac/Rachel and Sandy/Blaine. It would be curious to see if these events bumped the ratings...
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Another World Discussion Thread
On August 11, 1986, the character of Zane Lindquist, died in the hospital after being shot in the crossfire between the Bay City PD and hired hitman Herman Ludwig who has holding Cass, Kathleen, and Cecile hostage. Ludwig was working for Reginald Love who makes his first appearance at the end of this episode. After marrying Felicia Gallant, in February, 1986, Zane would be shot twice that year. Once in March, while trying to track down the thugs who had stolen an Egyptian treasure that was on display from a local art gallery and again in August. At the 12:00 minute mark, begins a great scene where Mac Cory leads a community prayer in the hospital waiting room. This type of scene would never appear on a soap today. On a side note, shooting Zane twice in one year, is a prime example of the problem AW had with constant switches in headwriters. Zane being shot by the thugs who had stolen the Egyptian treasure was fallout from probably one of AW's worst storylines ever- Carl Hutchins tricking Nancy McGowan into giving Mac and Rachel an amphora as a gift that contained poisonous dust from an Egyptian pyramid. Anyone who opened the amphora and breathed the dust would die. The amphora was passed around Bay City- only killing Grant Todd- but left both Mac and Rachel near death and in the hospital in early 1986, only to be saved by Dr. Chris Chaplin.
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41 years ago today- August 11, 1978- the character of Amanda Cory was born. This episode of AW included the revelation that Iris was Mac's adopted daughter. Future writers- including Harding Lemay in 1988- would switch this by explaining that Iris, now played by Carmen Duncan, was Mac's daughter by Sylvie Kosloff, a knock-off clothes designer. Iris returned to Bay City in 1988 right after Sylvie had died off-screen. Mac: "It doesn't matter, as long as I got home for the birth of my first baby. [IRIS STARES AT HIM, BLANKLY, BUT MAC DOESN'T NOTICE] All these years I've dreamed of having a child and now here she is."Iris: "[WHISPERING] What are you saying?"Mac: "Oh, Iris, I'm sorry... I'm just rambling on... [HE TURNS AWAY]" Iris: "Oh, no, you're not. [SHE TURNS HIM AROUND] I want to know what you're telling me."Mac: "Darling, I don't know what I'm saying."Iris: "You said that this is your first child."Mac: "Did I say that?"Iris: "Daddy, tell me what you meant!"Mac: "I promised your mother-- [HE STOPS]"Iris: "Go on, please."Mac: "Oh, Iris, I'm so exhausted from that flight from Paris and then from New York, I wasn't thinking. Your mother couldn't have children... I mean my wife couldn't have children, so we adopted you. [IRIS SHAKES HER HEAD IN MUTE DENIAL. MAC GOES TO HER] You were three weeks old, so it was like having our own baby."Iris: "I'm not your child."Mac: "But then, your mother died."Iris: "[SHOUTING] I'm not your child?"Mac: "Iris, listen to me."Iris: "No, no... never again. [SHE TURNS AND GOES OUT QUICKLY]"
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Another World Discussion Thread
Kathleen Layman was a good actress, and she was believable as a sister to Julie Osburn's (Kathleen) sister on the show. Layman was certainly a stronger actress than Sally Spencer as MJ. The writers always toyed with the idea of pairing her with Larry but never did. It also would have been interesting to see how Layman would have done with the return of her mother, Mary McKinnon, in 1986. On a sad note, I had no idea that Layman had passed away in 2014 until I searched her name on Google: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/houstonchronicle/obituary.aspx?pid=173152925
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Soderberg and Purser introduced or recast many important AW characters on AW in 1983-84: They introduced the following characters: - Jeanne Ewing (mother of Larry, Blaine, and Caitlin and Alma Rudder's killer) - Felicia Gallant - Carl Hutchins - Perry Hutchins - Donna Love - Nicole Love, - Abel/Leo Marsh - Lily Mason - Mark Singleton - David, Jennifer, and Kevin Thatcher - Vivien Gorrow returned from Texas to Bay City to work for the Corys, and Brian Bancroft's son Ted returned to Bay City. - Jamie Frame was recast with Stephen Yates from GL - Sally Frame was recast with the popular Mary Page Keller - Julia Shearer was recast with future star Faith Ford - They killed off David Canary's Steve Frame in a car crash and removed Nancy McGowan and Thomasina Harding from the canvas for several months so that they could be SORASed in the Spring of 1984 by Culliton and Tomlin.
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I thought the show became watchable and enjoyable again in the Summer of 1983, the transition period from Paul Rauch's AW to Allen Potter's AW. This was the fallout of Alma Rudder's murder where Jeanne Ewing was revealed as the killer. On her deathbed, Jeanne confessed that Larry and Blaine had a brother that they knew nothing about. This was also the time of the double wedding of Mac/Rachel and Sandy/Blaine. AW was pretty solid from the fall of 83 til the end of 1984 when Allen Potter retired. Potter did manage to raise AWs ratings, however he never brought AW back to the top of the ratings. I suspect had the ratings rose to the point where AW was a top 5 show, Potter might have stuck around longer into 1985.
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Another World Discussion Thread
With all the talk of the various Alices, how many think that if TPTB had waited until 1984 when Jacqueline Courtney returned, if the Steve Frame/Edward Black story would have been more successful with Courtney's Alice? Do you think it would have been OK with a Steve recast or would only work with George Reinholt playing Steve? In hindsight, AW could have used the character of Steve to help steady the show with a male character with history after Douglass Watson's sudden death in 1989.
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Ada's new restaurant was called Cafe Paradise and was featured on AW from 1989 to 1993. This restaurant was phased out around the time that Constance Ford's Ada died. Ada hired her old high school boyfriend from World War II, Sidney Sugarman, to work at her restaurant as a chef. Sidney was played by Larry Haines who had previously played Stu Bergman on Search for Tomorrow for 35 years. Sidney was featured on the show until the Summer of 1989.
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Another World Discussion Thread
20 years ago this week, Another World aired the 25th Anniversay episode of Victoria Wyndham in the role of Rachel Cory Hutchins- an outstanding tribute to the actress- and one last nod to the show's history before things begin to fall apart in 1998 with the dismissal of Charles Keating (Carl)...
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Another World Discussion Thread
Yes they did have chemistry. Even though the videos above are a black and white copy of a color episode, it looks like AW had some high production standards compared to other 1968 soaps from YouTube. This was before my time, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on AW from this time period.
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Another World Discussion Thread
It's the End of the 'World' As They Know It on NBC Television. Fans and cast members are fuming over the cancellation of a soap that featured mature actors. June 21, 1999|WILLIAM KECK | SPECIAL TO THE LA TIMES Back stabbing. Harsh words. Broken promises. Misplaced loyalty. The essential components of a successful soap opera? Absolutely. But the same words also characterize the resentment much of "Another World's" cast, crew and fans harbor toward NBC, which broadcasts the final episode of the 35-year-old serial this Friday to clear airtime for a new daytime drama. Much of the confusion and anger surrounds NBC's decision to cancel the Procter & Gamble-produced "Another World," while renewing "Sunset Beach," a struggling 2 1/2-year-old NBC-owned soap. This despite the fact that "Sunset Beach" attracts nearly 1 million fewer viewers daily than "Another World," and is the lowest-rated soap of the 11 currently on the air. Although "Another World" consistently attracts more female viewers aged 18-49 (the most sought-after daytime demographic for advertisers) than "Sunset Beach," NBC felt the Aaron Spelling-produced soap opera would have greater long-term youth appeal. Still, NBC's "aging" serial generated much buzz in recent years with the steamy sexual coupling of mature lovers Rachel and Carl. Today, their portrayers, Victoria Wyndham, a 28-year vet, and Charles Keating, a familiar face since 1983, are relieved to be free of NBC and hope never to return to daytime again. "In this medium, if they're going to insist on only writing for children who don't know how to act yet, and they don't want to write for those who are beyond 45, then fine. Goodbye!" fumes Wyndham, who attempted to quit the soap a number of times following Keating's dismissal in early 1998. "Word came down from the brass at NBC that they wanted our show to be more like 'Days of Our Lives,' " adds Keating, "They wanted a teeny-bopper emphasis." Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin, executive in charge of production of P&G Productions, a company that in 1959 had 13 different daytime serials on the air, confirms NBC's insistence on taking the "Another World" cast younger. "NBC decided they wanted to target the 12- to 18-year-old audience," says the executive. "I'm not sure that I agree with that as a strategy. Because 'Another World' was not a show that had operated in that realm over the years. It was a struggle to try to deliver to NBC what they wanted. But we truly had pruned the cast, and youthened the cast as they had asked us to do." "We wanted to bring in the next generation," says Susan Lee, senior vice president of daytime programming at NBC. "The show was skewing old and if you don't continue to build your young audience you will have no audience. When you are 25, you don't relate to a 50-year-old's love story. There's a lot of stuff that went down in our research that I wouldn't tell the people on 'Another World' because it would be too painful for them." As a result of NBC's decision, Keating became the last in a long line of senior "Another World" performers released from the serial during its waning years. He did accept an invitation from the show's producers and P&G to return for the final week of episodes. "I was delighted that the bastards hired me back," quips Keating. "But I didn't return to please either Mr. P&G or NBC, but rather it was appropriate to be there. Even if it is not going to be terribly satisfying storywise, the fans need to see this wrapped up." Keating says his wife has flatly refused to purchase any P&G products since his release last year. "My dear Mary told me, 'There are three or four products of theirs I really love--but I'm not buying them.' " For a while there was hope the show might land at another network. Dwyer-Dobbin confirms that ABC had initiated talks to license the show, but a deal could not be reached. As "Another World's" fate seemed sealed, many devastated viewers began waging their own war. On April 23, more than 150 fans protested the show's cancellation outside "The Today Show's" window on the world, though according to protesters, NBC cameramen struggled to keep the disgruntled fans out of camera range. As part of a "Joy to the World" campaign, fans mailed in bottles of Joy dishwashing liquid, a P&G product, to the company, encouraging it to find a new home for the defunct show. Other embittered viewers have pledged to boycott NBC's replacement soap, "Passions." However Kathy Morley, 38, of Port Chester, N.Y., is among a group of more radical fans who have chosen to take their loyalty one step further. Morley vows: "NBC will be effectively wiped out of my life, just as they have wiped out the existence of 'Another World.' " "Another World" fan club president Mindi Schulman said that reaction is typical. "I've received hundreds of letters--after three or four hundred I stopped counting--from viewers who told me they would definitely not watch the new show and were dropping (NBC's) 'Days of Our Lives' and 'Sunset Beach' as well," says the 37-year-old Long Island resident. "I personally want no part of NBC. I was loyal to NBC, but on April 12 when 'Another World' got the cancellation I never watched anything on NBC again."
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Another World Discussion Thread
The viewers who made the P&G soaps popular in the 60s and 70s are now of retirement age, so there would be a built in interest to see the P&G soaps again on one of the TV channels. AOL streamed AW, Texas, SFT, and EON. I would imagine that the saved episodes start with the late 70s, no later than 1980. AW started with the last 90 minute episode and the first 60 minute episode- in August 1980- when Texas debuted. Most of Texas episodes were in tact on AOL. EON episodes were from late 70s/1980. SFT episodes were from 1984. Hulu streamed episodes of AW, GL, and ATWT from the 90s for a brief time. USA Network reran EON from the 80s and SFT from its NBC run. TBS reran Texas cut into half hour episodes, along with the short lived P&G cable soap The Catlins. Whether all this material still exists is the question, and how organized it was kept?!?
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Another World Discussion Thread
I'm shocked that P&G has not made a deal to air their soaps on a retro channel like Antenna TV, MeTV, or Retro TV. One of these channels could air a P&G block of soaps and air P&G commercials during the shows. I would hope that P&G would archive their shows, but it makes you wonder... The Doctors has been airing for a few years on Retro TV and most of the episodes have been well preserved for a show that hasn't been broadcast in 35 years.