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Surely Bravo is not so stupid as to keep this newbie non-entity in the face of audience and cast disgust?? Bravo knows that keeping and coddling Brandi Redmond for the whole season was absolutely the worst decision it made in terms of RHOD. It killed the show, and was only one in a series of shaky decisions about race that Bravo made last year, even as it tried to embrace more diversity. Jennie just isn't important to the show like the S1 cast are and can be quickly dispensed with. I think Bravo is hastily trying to film the fallout from this week, whereupon Jennie will be exiled from 'the group.' That's my speculation. There will be lingering repercussions, of course, namely Lisa's flimsy condemnation of Jennie compared with Jen and Heather. My question is, what happens with the rest of this current season? Not to mention Reunion which will probably feature Jennie quite a bit. Without Mary there, she likely controlled the narrative when it came to their beef. Is Bravo re-editing to minimize her role, or will they be front-loading Jennie attacking Mary so as to reinforce what an awful person she is? Honestly, Bravo just needs to film Jennie being dropped from the group, and maybe pause production for a few weeks while it assesses some newbies and gets its act together. (P.S.: Speaking of RHOD, would love to see Tiffany and D'Andra pop up in SLC. For some reason, I think they'd be a good fit).

WTF?? I am no fan of Jen Shah, but her statement was absolutely spot-on! She didn't denigrate Jennie personally, except to say that her apology was disingenuous (which it was), and instead focused on the impact on her husband and sons. I thought it was the best thing Jen has ever said publicly. Bravo is punishing the wrong person here. Why are they bending over backwards to protect Jennie anyway?? She's a newbie, practically a FOH compared to the rest of the cast. And this is all publicity for a show which still has fledgling ratings. Turn on your [!@#$%^&*] cameras and milk this like the soulless money-makers that you are, Bravo!

Meat Loaf was a legend. Sad loss for such a strong, fun, irreverent spirit. Love that he told Andrew where to go! Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That) and Bat Out of Hell!

Taking the Buffy residuals money? That would be karma.

@Chris B Peacock already posted the latest Miami episode?? @Taoboi Yes, that was a truly lovely moment, and Andy seemed touched by it. Mama Elsa was such a great presence on OG Miami! I loved Marysol saying she always had a sense of humor, but that was never really focused on in the early seasons. I do remember instances where Marysol gave some great quips. This gem was from S2: "Karent the carrier pigeon comes swooping in. I unroll the message from her leg. And it reads: ‘You’re in trouble for wearing fur’. ” And then this one from S3 at Adriana's wedding: "When [Lisa] first comes in, she's like--" (snootily) " 'Helloooo Marysolllllllll.' And I was like, Oh, we're going to do that? Come on. Pour a cocky and get over it." Oh! ETA: a Mama Elsa memory. At S2 reunion, Mama Elsa told Joanna "I'm a very good friend, but a very bad enemy." Karent tried to pipe up in defense, and Mama Elsa turns to her and growls: "I'm not talking to you, Number Three!"

I wouldn't put it past Bravo to sweep everything under the rug! *cough*RHOBH*cough* However, hearing that RHOSLC started filming this week, it does make me wonder if they are filming the fallout right now, and that's why there is a moratorium on the cast talking. Once that is filmed, then maybe the other HWs can finally speak. I honestly cannot see many of the other women aligning with Jennie after the stuff that has come up. I don't believe Heather or Jen Shah or Meredith are Trumpers (anymore) (unlike, say, most of the cast of OC last season). From a self-preservation POV, I cannot see they or Whitney or Lisa Barlow wanting to be associated with that mess. And there are still rumors that Mary will return in S3. Maybe Bravo is trying like crazy right now to make that happen.

The internet rescued one picture of her dressed up as Insurrectionist Barbie with long nails and a sub-machine gun. She must have thought she was a bad b!tch! Really gross. Glad you stood your ground on Twitter. I am ashamed to say that I liked Jennie at the beginning, and a lot of that was to do with her early-life story in Vietnam and her little girl, Karlyn. Obviously I want her gone from the show completely now. Bravo obvs forced her to post that formulaic BS apology, but it flopped big-time. I think Bravo will have no choice, as with Kelly Dodd, but to fire her asap. Not just that, but I read on Twitter that the SLC cast already started filming this week. If that is true, the cameras are there to witness the fallout and, perhaps, Jennie's rapid departure from the show. People went after Meredith last week about not sanctioning Mary for her comments towards Jennie. However, I like Meredith, and I think she has her heart in the right place and does stand up for what she believes. I think she will say something as soon as she can, and will not want anything to do with Jennie.

I just read the interview (sorry, reposting a recent status update because I didn't see this thread). He shouldn't have bothered. That was an absolutely terrible interview and the non-apology-apology equivalent of "I'm sorry if you think I did something bad." I cannot believe he said that English wasn't Gal Gadot's "first language" and therefore that's why she 'misunderstood' his threat to destroy her career! Ray Fisher "a bad actor in both senses" -- wtf? And Charisma Carpenter "Most of my experiences with Charisma were delightful and charming. She struggled sometimes with her lines..." He's trying to make sure both of them have a rep in Hollywood as unprofessional/poor in their work. The very LEAST he could have done with Charisma is apologise for the years of mental suffering (and lost job opportunities) she experienced because of him. He is an awful, awful person. Truly that was the "I couldn't help myself! All these women in short skirts!" defense of rapists. Michelle Trachtenberg, who was 13, was so shaken by her 'one-on-one' experience with him that her parents insisted she could never be in a room with him ALONE again. I remember these breathless puff pieces back in the day, and the inference that SMG was a snooty snob who didn't want to 'hang with the group' after work. Now it seems she didn't want to be anywhere near JW except on-set with lots of cast and crew around. It must be painful for her to field Buffy questions from fans knowing their experience and her experience of the show are diametrically opposed. These awful people seem to have no shortage of candidates throwing themselves at them! What am I doing wrong?! LOL. And why do I have a feeling he married a fan who worships at his feet?

Just saw it, thanks to your link, and DaytimeFan's. The memes are shocking and pedal a lot of lies when it comes to BLM protesters and the vaccine. I am stunned Bravo didn't do basic due diligence with their background check. This seems to have been easily unearthed by fans. Like you, I wish this would have come out much earlier, so we could have seen her confronted about it on the show or at reunion. But yeah.... this may explain her sudden hostility towards Mary. Honestly, some of these memes make Kelly Dodd's Twitter feed look like child's play.

She sure is!

OC Midseason Trailer

Fighting over the money train that Rosemary Cosby built. When Rosemary (Mary's grandmother) died, Mary's mother must have felt that the church (and its funds) were her birth-right. But Grandpappy Husband guessed that Young Mary would be more easily manipulated -- as well as a more stimulating and youthful church leader. So he groomed (yes, I use that word on purpose -- Mary was basically a child) and wooed her with expensive gifts like a car, then married her, and she became the face of Faith Temple, with him pulling the strings. And Mary's mother was ousted. Mary's mother sounds bitter-- but only about the money. In the clips I saw, she hardly expressed any concern about her daughter's wellbeing. And that's why I'm sad for Mary, because it is all so dark and twisted. As awful as she can be to her congregation, I think she has been used, abused and low-key traumatized by her circumstances. And then I see her reading the true motivations of the women in this cast so lucidly... I lowkey love her ability to sniff out any and all BS and fakery (except perhaps some of her own!). She seems clear-eyed about people who swerve and manipulate to get what they want. I imagine she learned about people like that very young.

I saw clips of the interview with Mary's parents. Snap judgement: that entire family is awful. The parents, Grandpappy husband.... all they care about is money. No wonder Mary is the way she is, hoarding her Gucci bags and clothes: this is what she was taught to value. She seems to love possessions over people, and this may explain why she comes off as fragilised and 'off' sometimes. I actually feel sorry for her. And with the church folded (i assume to avoid some kind of state or Fed investigation?), Mary's going to need a new revenue stream. I'm not surprised she's making overtures to Andy, and unlike with other HWs, Andy seems open to it. I still say she'll be back in S3.

This is 100% why I can't warm to Jen. The screaming and poking fingers in people's faces is abusive and, as you say, intimidatory. She appears to be a step away from losing it, but she won't. Because Jen is fully in control and knows not to completely mess up her chance on the show. The point of the screaming is to instill fear and keep the other women in check. Are there times when I enjoy Jen? Sure. Drunken Jen stepping on the float in the pool and doing a bed breakdance for the cameraman is entertaining. But I'm always aware of how controlled she is, even in her anger and upset, and how easily she can toss out a lie. Also noteworthy: Jen's mother gives her her life savings and suddenly Jen is back to bringing glam with her on trips. Ok. I too don't understand the coddling. Is Jen somewhat more fun to watch than Erika? Sure. But her crimes are somewhat more serious. As fairweather a friend as Lisa is, I can understand why she doesn't want to get too close to that. The instigators of this coddling are Bad Weather, and they have their own agenda. Part of it is they want to gang up with Jen to go after the people they dislike in the group. So now we have this ridiculous assertion that Meredith and/or Mary 'tipped off' the Feds. Please! The Feds built their own case against Jen Shah, likely through wire taps and witness statements from victims and intimidated employees. Little Girl boohooing about Mary not wanting to be her fwend was hilariously insincere, and Mary rightly paid her dust. Meanwhile, Heather wants to be seen to be Jen's ride-or-die at all costs, for her own reasons. She is very much enjoying the breakdown in Jen's other friendships. Meredith needs to watch it with ultimatums about not inviting Shahmazing where she is. She's going to invite herself right out of a job. I can't even remember what it is she's traumatised about. However, I do appreciate that she is the only one who stands up to Jen's screaming and finger poking. @DaytimeFan I read about Mary's church getting boarded up. Faith (Temple) No More! And the cash is probably long gone, too. This is likely the main reason Mary didn't show at reunion.

Miami Agree with @Soaplovers: the pajama party was painfully contrived. Larsa couldn't even be bothered to show. Since the whole thing was basically an ad for Faena and its show, they could have kept it as all the women go out to dinner, see the show, and call it a night. Lisa is realising that she needs to actually do something this season, so she's decided to steal Adriana's kissing-Julia SL. Lisa also clearly spends very little time with her children. She probably had nannies working around the clock, because when she is with them, she comes off as stiff and has no clue how to get them through feeding times like lunch. Nicole seems nice, but if this were Bravo, I'm not sure Nicole would ever be chosen as a RH. She is just too normal. For three episodes straight, the key takeaway from her scenes has been "we are foodies." The arrival of her clearly-drunk dad may shake up her SL a little. SLC Star of the episode was Seth, for perhaps all the wrong reasons. The boob obsession seems a bit much. I feel like Seth & Meredith are about to induct Little Girl & Justin and Jennie & Duy into their exclusive swingers club. Kevin and his Black Van are back! Black Van needs to be featured with its own tagine in the opening credits at this point. I see Jen Shah is screaming abuse and jabbing her acrylic nails in another woman's face again. And had to be forcibly restrained by a female producer. Is anyone going to call her out her behavior? Certainly not Heather and Little Girl, who seem to crucify anybody who doesn't invite Jen to their events. This is why!

Wait -- my pot-stirring drama queen got an individual guest spot on WWHL?! I must watch immediately! I hope this means that Bravo/Peacock are going to give Adriana a mojito next season. And yes, I am desperately hoping for a S5 of RHOMiami by Peacock. It has been so good! (I have no idea what the streaming numbers look like, though 😥). Reunion looks for SLC. Honestly, Heather looks by far the best. That dress, the cut, the navy velvet, is perfection on her. Meredith looks the worst. Brooks needs to stop dressing her because this is giving me Kermit vibes.

Yep. If they spoke on NYE about this, then AC knew that she would probably not show for reunion. Sounds like Bravo might have been hoping she would reconsider for S3. I think Andy and the network realizes that Jen Shah and Mary M Cosby effortlessly bring the drama. And it sounds like Mary REALLY did not want to face questions about racism/ignorance, Faith Temple, and Cameron.

Who is that? I thought it was Karen Huger for a second. Is that....Phaedra?

oh wow! That's too bad. Wonder WTH the writers were thinking.

LOL. He could have joined GH's cast of thousands (not that I would mind him on there either).

I feel like this has been me on this thread. OMG. My spirit animal is an Oztrawlian news anchor. This is especially shocking given that the French national assembly passed a (rather controversial) law last week restricting entry to restaurants, leisure and sporting venues to only those with proof of vaccination. A negative test no longer suffices. I imagine that extends to French Open ticket-holders!

Shame about Burgi leaving (and something about Y&R scrambling says to me that it was Burgi's decision to leave), but Robert Newman has bags of screen presence too. I'm actually surprised he hasn't landed more soaps since GL ended, because he's good.

And not for nothing, but 45 family members ("Porsha's second cousin twice removed on her father's side" said the chyron at one point) jumping into the melée for a 10-second shot of their ass atop a pile of bodies? That's too many people I am not invested in. Honestly, the only one coming out of this looking decent was Simon Guobadia.

FTR, I don't dislike Jason Thompson. IMO he is acting as directed and trying to sell the script. However, I don't really feel anything for the character (and it's not just his character to be fair). A lot of this is the fault of the writing which has been reduced to a load of slick nothings. I can't connect to or really feel for Billy, or the Victoria & Billy 'pairing' (which Y&R lazily hangs onto as some kind of supercouple). Sometimes I wonder if the Tweets I used to see about a decade ago squealing over Billy & Victoria, or Chelsea & Adam, or (God help us) AbbyBot & Stitch (!!) were actually Russian bots trying their hand at some modest social-media troublemaking before graduating onto the big stuff.