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I recognize about 5 people...Sara, Adam, Bert, Ed and Mike.

LOL...y'know I got the Jack/Carly collection. I suppose. Vanessa did have a talent for rubbing people the wrong way. Tony and Nola were close, so I suppose that was a factor as well.

Two questions: 1. Did SoapClassics only release 5 dvd collections? They didn't do any couple focused ones? 2. Is there like a "ground zero" moment for Vanessa and Nola's rivalry, or is it just because Vanessa disliked anything that took Henry's attention away from her? (or really people in general until Billy showed up, but I digress...) I know that Nola got blamed when Vanessa (trying to put an end to Tony's interest in Hillary) left a note for Hillary's boyfriend about her staying at Tony's, which ends up ruining Stacey's christening. But I don't think I've ever seen Nola confront Vanessa directly about it. Or even found it in the recaps.

I get that it's all volunteer effort, honest. But if someone provides corroborating evidence... LOL...I was honestly sorting through German episodes and recaps, trying to find Vanessa ratting out her bestie. It's not like it would've been beyond her at the time. LOL.

Maybe they could arranged a phone call scene with Ed or Vanessa, if everyone had been so inclined, given Lisa's schedule at the time. I just think the lack of scenes between them (Ellen and Lisa) would've made it weird for me. Like Richard Van Vleet Ed's mourning Bert comes off as hollow. Oh, tell me about it. (ie soapcentral's histories...) it's one thing to completely FUBAR Trish's history (which might be understandable given the brief amount of time she was on the show and that it had to be written long after it happened). It's another to make stupid revisions based on one statement by a character. About once a year I send an email protesting the insistence that Jack Snyder's "real" name is Jacob, simply because Katie pulled a "J" name out of a hat and declared it as an "honor" to Jack. 13 years and not ONE character ever called Jack anything other than Jack. Not through six marriages, naming a kidnapped child he thought was his first born son "Jack Snyder Jr", a funeral, or Emma occasionally trying to knock some sense into his bone-headed decisions. But Katie opens her big mouth....RME.

I think Ross mentions having called Mike who was in Switzerland at a conference with Hope. Ed told him to tell them not to rush back. I think in Ed's mind, the plans were made, the Reardons had gathered, and those who wanted to could mourn Maureen any way they wanted. I'm supposed P&G could've worked something out for Lisa, but there again, you've got the issue of her and Ellen Parker never having any scenes together. And while I'm not exactly sure how big a character Berjer played on AW, it surely had to be less appearances than Lisa was pulling on ATWT in '93. Just a quick check--in January 93, Iva is pregnant with John's child. Which also must mean they are knee-deep in the Aaron story. While I don't recall if Holly was shipped off to watch over Barbara (while her daughter is in a year long coma, IIRC), I tend to believe it simply because boards were up at the time and histories were being archived as they happened.

The Reardons return was off-screen because the actors were busy. Lisa was on ATWT, Harley and Greg Beecroft were out in Hollywood. They had never even had scenes with Ellen Parker. The only Reardons who had were Chelsea (and KdP had either started OLTL or was close to it) and Bea. It wouldn't have paid to have a bunch of recasts on for a day or two to mourn Mo. While it seemed like a cop out, at least the writers gave lip service to why we weren't seeing them.

Peter Lewis (Reardon) Son of Bridget and Hart Jessup; adopted by Nadine and Billy Lewis, but returned him to Bridget Joseph Phillips 1993-99 That is incorrect. Peter was adopted by Billy and Vanessa after he divorced Nadine. Nadine passed him off as her natural child, but never took any steps to legally adopt him from Bridget.

Thanks. I remember Bridget actually thought they were having an affair the year before it happened, and had a crying jag when she found out they didn't. I'm really surprised Roger never found out. Roger seemed to have a nose for those things.

Who is the annoucer in the 80's? It's not Dan Region, who did ATWT for years. I thought Dan was credited in the ATWT credits, but I don't see anyone on GL's. Nevermind--found it Alan Berns 1969- 1997 Martin Bookspan 1997-2009

Did Trish and Alan really have sex? I know he's trying to set her up as his next mistress, while he's still legally married to Hope. Trish is kinda/sorta dating Mike, and Alan gives her a bracelet for her "good work" at Spaulding. She clearly has the feels for him, but doesn't want people to think she sleeping her way to the top. Alan arranges for her to work on Ross' campaign, and after Henry's heart attack, Vanessa worms her way back into Spaulding, taking the VP job that Trish was expecting when she returned to Spaulding and that Billy talked his way out of, getting Alan to buy out his contract for $300K. SOC says they did, but Trish's bio is all screwed up. They have her having an affair with Alan in 1981 and Vanessa telling Hope. Trish wasn't getting involved with Alan until 1983. And does anyone have the dates of Quint and Nola's wedding or Phillip/Rick/Beth's graduation? Someone on youtube dated the wedding as 6/24, but I'm trying to back track Billy and Vanessa's relationship, but the German episode 1075 corresponds to 6/20.

Speaking of the underappreciated, I found this little clipset of Tom O'Rourke. There are scenes of him with Robert Newman, Jobeth Williams, and Jane Elliot.

I'm not sure. I haven't made it past Sept '93. Michelle has this idea that there's a secret, and at one point she thinks that it's that Ed killed Maureen. And I've forgotten more of late-90s GL history than I care to admit.

Did Ed and Lillian's affair ever become widespread knowledge? Vanessa, Eve and I think Ross and Holly knew, but I can't really find any reference to other people finding out.

LOL...maybe not as much "boring" as rehashing something you guys discussed 400 pages and 10 years ago. At times it does feel like Maeve and Maureen got overshadowed by the likes of Lenore/Lisa/Kim when discussing even Guiding Light's best actresses. I don't know what the 90's would have been like if Vanessa and Holly hadn't returned. And they managed to do without meltdowns in a red dress *coughcough*

Of course my knowledge of music theory is next to nothing, but it seems to me if they had stripped it down to a more piano-y version, instead of trying to follow every rock/funk/jazz trend that breezed by, they might've been better served.

I never got why they ditched Hold on to Love.

but wasn't that partly the point? That Alan was breaking her down bit by bit during the marriage? Maybe not as viciously as he did Elizabeth, but just as surely. I'm not sure he would've made her an alcoholic, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

Yeah, I just don't get the Dobson's ATWT either. It seems totally inconsistent with what they did at GL. I suppose some of that had to do with the Luke and Laura syndrome. It's really not an era I'd want to go back and watch, tbh.

The chemistry between Mart and Maureen is palpable. It was a bit of a shock for me to watch a clearly less neurotic/sardonic Holly. William worked at both WSPR and The Blue Orchid (or the Blue Moon, or maybe both). I seem to recall him being low key interested in Gilly before Hamp arrived. I don't think he ever even had a major part in a storyline. He was a continuous presence for a while. Like Lt. Wyatt, before Mallet came to town.

Thanks. I just watched more of Lenore Kasdorf's work last night (the events surrounding Roger's trial, and then Roger kidnapping Rita). She and Cindy Pickett really stand out in a sea of sexually frustrated "good girls" that populate the town at the time.

Zimmer chewed scenery from day one. I don't know how she managed to make Reva sympathetic, because in rewatching, I find her to be one annoying loudmouth bitch. I suppose that's because I saw all the tears, justifications, and problems she "didn't mean to cause" over the next 20plus years. Does anyone remember what started Alan's affair with Rita? As played by Chris Bernau, he disposes of his women like newspapers.

May 28-June 1--Bert's surgery, HB/Reva in Hawaii, Phillip and Mindy decide to divorce, Fletch/Claire/Jim/Hillary in San Rios to receive an award, Josh is waiting for Reva to return to tell her he still loves her and Nola brings AJ home 4-8, --this must be the week of Josh's accident/reveal that HB married Reva 11-15, the 13th Vanessa tells Billy she's pregnant, the 14th Reva convinces Billy to talk to Josh, the 15th Billy convinces Josh to have the surgery. Also this week, Lujack/Beth at the beach. Alexandra and Beth were taken hostage in August of that year, just after Reva had a meltdown and declared herself the Slut of Springfield at Billy and Vanessa's party at the end of July. ATWT's wedding of Steve and Betsy also occurred the week of 5/31 (and while it did not garner the rumored 20 million viewers) it's not unreasonable to think it could have positively impacted GL's numbers.

Awww....I'm verklempt. Maeve looks wonderful! I had no idea she and Bill Roerick knew each other prior to the show. I'm just overwhelmed.

While I can't really compare anything about ABC, as I didn't watch, I understand what you mean about the writing. The three really big "moments" I remember from the early 80s' are Nola's comeuppance (which I would defend to the death at least deserved a nomination, which Brown was unlikely to get given her relative newness to the genre and the system at the time), Ashley's breakdown post abortion, and Reva's Slut of Springfield moment. Whether that was just more a CBS or P&G thing, I don't know. Re: Lucinda--yeah, she had her evil moments, but she was never going to grab some mistress by the hair. As justified as going after Roger and even Mindy are---the way she gleefully told Billy about Mindy's affair was a "jump the shark" moment.