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    RIP: In Memoriam Thread

    in Off Topic Lounge

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    24 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

    André Braugher Dead: ‘Homicide’, ‘Brooklyn Nine-Nine’ Actor Was 61 – Deadline

    This is just awful news. Braugher was always the best part of Brooklyn Nine Nine, in spite of a strong cast - he was genuinely hilarious, had great chemistry with everyone (especially Andy Samberg), and it was refreshing to see an older gay couple on a show who weren't just treated as tokens. 

    Homicide was where I first saw him, and without him I don't think the show would have lasted half as long as it did. He was electric to watch, and the show took great advantage of that, yet Braugher never let the character become just a conduit for melodrama. He played the everyday moments with Kyle Secor or Ami Brabson (Braugher's real life wife) just as well as the flashy monologues. 

    WOW. I can’t believe this. He was such a commanding presence on Homicide and richly deserved that Emmy.

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    Y&R: December 2023 Discussion Thread

    in Discussion Thread Archive

    Posted · Edited by Faulkner

    1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

    She simply stated that she enjoyed her time at Y&R but has no interest in returning for cameo appearances. 

    Re Mamie. this has been a failing of Y&R (and all soaps) for years. Characters who have  family connections and have been important to the canvas are pretty much forgotten once they leave, with nary a mention.

    If Mamie had have been mentioned at least, let alone make some appearances over the years her return would have had more impact. 

     

     

    Mamie’s return feels kinda thrown in, and her main raison d’etre is to be a nostalgic, 50th-anniversary thorn in the side for her longtime rival, another recurring character (Jill), with a secondary purpose as co-conspirator to Tucker. Her relationships with Devon/Nate/Lily are merely incidental. Only maybe Nate grew up knowing her. (Mamie’s relationships are with their parents, one of whom has been dead for nearly two decades and the other hasn’t been seen in over a decade.) The show should have invested time in getting Mamie thoroughly acquainted with Devon/Lily/Nate away from the business realm, but as we all know, JG sees Y&R solely through the lens of corporate drama.

    They aren’t really delving into the family history in any meaningful way either. It would have been intriguing if Mamie was more apologetic about her absence in their lives or if the story really delved into the family’s intergenerational trauma (similar to how Dina’s return, the prospect of her memoir, and the specter of family secrets lit a fire under the Abbotts initially—but nope). And that’s not even touching upon what Mamie’s been up to in her years away, and the unsavory characters she might have encountered as an investor, which could be its own story.

    The Winters/Barber family has been taken for granted for years. They were expecting Neil to be their Traci or Jill, a stabilizing figure they could use on a recurring basis to half-ass a sense of family, but KSJ/Neil’s death showed how underprepared Devon/Lily were to be tentpoles. They can’t just shoehorn Mamie into that position all of a sudden with no setup.

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    Y&R: December 2023 Discussion Thread

    in Discussion Thread Archive

    Posted · Edited by Faulkner

    47 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

    The last times that I have watched scenes between Mamie, Devon and Lily, especially, I don’t see one hint of familial feelings toward Mamie. I have even heard each address her by her first name only and not by her honorific. Dru would have never allow this, Victoria Rowell would have slipped in a correction.

    It’s very, very noticeable indeed. Dru (or Neil or Olivia or Malcolm) never would’ve raised children who’d let their aunt be disrespected, even with the knowledge Mamie can hold her own with Jill. They’d have at least said, “She’s family and we won’t allow her to be spoken to in that way. Now let’s move on…” But all Nate and Devon did was squirm like “cowards” (as Jill called them). Hell, Jack or Ashley would have piped up more in Mamie’s defense.

    Mamie’s return has been a gigantic fail IMO largely due to that lack of familial connection, which is *somewhat* understandable due to her absence in Devon/Lily/Nate’s lives (due to writer neglect, of course—Y&R isn’t even really exploring Mamie’s role in the family right now—she’s completely underwritten). But still—Black families are very protective of their elders in general, regardless, especially with outsiders.

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    Y&R: December 2023 Discussion Thread

    in Discussion Thread Archive

    Posted · Edited by Faulkner

    Now I know Nate and Devon are showing some deference to Jill due to her seniority, but allowing Jill to demean their elderly great-aunt in front of them? With no comment or pushback? Yeah, no. Whether Mamie was right or wrong. One thing the show has gotten right (or true to character, more accurately) is the condescending way Jill speaks to Mamie.

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    ARTICLE: CBS and NATAS Announce Performers and Presenters for ‘The 50th Annual Daytime Emmy Awards’

    in SoapsLine

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    24 minutes ago, Errol said:

    First up: Shemar Moore (“S.W.A.T.,” “The Young and the Restless”) reunites with Susan Lucci when he presents the iconic actress with the Lifetime Achievement Award. In 1999, Moore presented Lucci with her landmark first Daytime Emmy Award after she had been nominated in the Lead Actress category a record 19 times for her portrayal of Erica Kane on “All My Children.” After opening the envelope that would note Lucci’s name, Moore famously stated, “the streak is over!” in what has become a frequently cited line and one of the greatest awards show moments in history.

    While I understand the callback to Shemar presenting Susan with her historic first Emmy 24 years ago (plus Shemar’s a CBS primetime lead and former CBS Daytime sensation), I wish someone with a tighter personal or career connection to SL was at least co-presenting. Granted, someone like a Walt Willey or a Jill Larson or an Alicia Minshew wouldn’t have been a big enough name for promotion, but could they have nabbed Kelly Ripa? Can’t give that much promo love to talent from a competing network (ABC), even on a somewhat neutral ground? Maybe she turned it down or couldn’t be there? Who knows? Hopefully they got good people for her career tribute package…

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    ALL: The Moment Recasts Claimed the Role

    in Discuss The Soaps

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    Obviously, accepting a recast isn’t like flipping a switch; it’s often a gradual, imperceptible process of getting used to someone.

    However, do you remember a time or a storyline when a recast really came into their own in a role? Hell, it could be Day One if you didn’t particularly like the previous portrayal (or if the role wasn’t particularly fleshed out, like an adult actor assuming a role through SORAS). Or perhaps they just nailed it straight out of the gate.

    But was there a story or a relationship or an interaction when, say, Hillary B. Smith felt like Margo on ATWT or you came to accept Karen Witter as Tina on OLTL, to cite examples of two successful recasts?

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    Doctor Who

    in Primetime

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    1 hour ago, Vee said:

    Donna has been more popular than Rose for a long time now, I'd argue.

    And now: 

     

    BBCA ran a poll for a 50th anniversary fan special, and Donna was overwhelmingly voted as the favorite companion. Apparently, that result didn’t sit well with the brand managers in the UK, especially since Billie Piper was returning as a “companion” for the 50th.

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    Billboard Charts

    in Music & Movies

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    Well, well, Brenda Lee!

     

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    Guiding Light discussion thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

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    8 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

    Did Irizarry and Beecroft have many scenes together?  I'm surprised they'd have much conflict otherwise.

    Tony hired Lujack to work at Company. Here’s one of their scenes.

     

    1 minute ago, kalbir said:

    Wasn't it rumored that GA and VI had beef BITD? Look at the timelines. Both depart in 1985. GA returns 1987 to February 1991. VI returns July 1991 to February 1996. GA returns April 1996. 

    VI mentioned that he and the person later got to a good place but I’ve heard a lot of stuff about GA’s behavior.

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    YR return

    in Discuss Previews and Spoilers

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    16 hours ago, Khan said:

    I realize that Nikki was pushed this time off the wagon.  Nevertheless, I'm just bored with watching MTS play drunk.  To me, it has a real "been there, done that" feeling to it.

    Yeah, JG loves dancing to the golden oldies. The rushing through the story doesn’t help. I admire CZ’s promotion of the story (saw her Locher Room interview), but it’s most certainly NOT classic soap beyond the superficial. The pivot from Newman CEO swaps to this gave me whiplash.

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    ALL: What about Bill Bell's writing made his stories and shows the top standard?

    in Discuss The Soaps

    Posted · Edited by Faulkner

    1 hour ago, lucaslesann23 said:

    As a male soap watcher, what's the difference between writing a man feeling something and "Man pain?" I ask this sincerely lol. When Bill wrote a story focused on a guy, how did he make it not man pain? 

     

    1 hour ago, titan1978 said:

    To me it equates to when the shows stoped writing the women as complexly, and turned all the depth and attention to the men, and only the ones that were edgy.

    Yep, it’s usually some male villain or antihero. Bill Bell did a good job in making Victor, Jack, and Paul feel like real, complex men with lifelong psychological baggage, but his writing for them rarely felt indulgent. Bell didn’t always signal to us how “broken” Jack or Victor were or how their behavior stemmed from an effed-up childhood or simply the desperate need for wuv.  But when it came to later characters like Kevin Fisher, who did some pretty heinous stuff, they seemed to go the overboard with the trauma porn to make female viewers sympathize with them. Plus, they had these ‘charismatic’ actors like Greg Rikaart and Billy Miller they used for clout and Emmys. I think a lot of it was influenced by what GH was doing to capture younger viewers and the trend of having ‘sexy’ antiheroes (a la Tony Soprano and Don Draper) that really took off in the 2000s.

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    Married to Medicine

    in NBC | Peacock

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    23 hours ago, Cat said:

    Anyone watching the current season of M2M? I am hooked! Usually M2M is a slow burn in the early episodes, but they hit the ground running this season by jumping straight into the engagement of throwback Dr. Greg and his new fiancée. 

    Sweet Tea is not at all what I expected from a M2M cast member. Facially, she looks like she could be Toya's country cousin (Toya BTW seems like she's had a little face work done, but good work). Lateasha is proudly country and I like that. She's a little different from reality newbies on these shows -- first of all, spilling that she went after Greg in his DMs because she has an older-dude fetish. That one is going to bite her in the ass come reunion. Heavenly has already sized her up like a shark, but props to Lateasha for leaving her off the wedding guest list as payback. Heavenly has been crowing about how she got into the wedding anyway, but since she probably had to bribe an attendant to get that cameratime, I'd say its a hollow victory. While I'm not sure Sweet Tea is a GREAT cast member, I do think she adds an interesting dynamic. She's a fish out of water, she's not pretending that she's loaded, and she's just trying to fit in. She's not quite a pushover either, but there is a power imbalance between her and other cast members. 

    Quad was bragging some months ago about how Bravo reached out to come back and 'save' the show, but I'm not quite sure that's true. It's fun to see her trying to rile up the group, but she very much feels on the outside. I echo Toya's distrust of her and always have.

    I'm not sure slippery Porsha fits. A lot of her shtick is so staged and contrived. I hope M2M doesn't tip too far in that direction. The other women seem to be clocking that and her shady background in a good-humoured way.

    Curtis only showed up for the bachelor party? Sometimes I think he and Jackie are fully living separate lives.

    M2M really is one of the best shows on Bravo IMO.

     

    1 hour ago, Gray Bunny said:

    I'm watching and loving it. I agree this is the best Bravo show, outshining the Housewives for sure. I like how through all the comings and goings, you still have the core cast and in their 10th season, are still fun and interesting, the friendships are real, and it doesn't come off forced. 

    Yeah, Sweet Tea sure doesn't fit the mold, but she's kind of fun to watch in a trainwreck kind of way, what with her bridezilla antics, blowing up at her own sister, and just being a little clueless in general. 

    Also agree about Porsha. She's like a throwback to Housewives days gone by, when we actually believed her schtick was real and her quips weren't force-fed to her by producers to look witty and clever. I hope the likes of Heavenly, Simone and Jackie continue to side-eye her and call it out. M2M comes off as less edited, aside from the usual reality TV fare like Quad's perfectly producer-timed entrance to the bachelorette party. 

    Overall, I love the couple dynamics on this show, particularly Dr. Simone & Cecil, and Toya & Eugene.  And god bless Dr. Damon for being the yang to Dr. Heavenly's yin. LOL. 

    Sunday nights with M2M and Potomac is currently my favorite TV night. 

    Side Note:  Any tea as to why Dr. Contessa left the series? Was it her own choice? 

    “Don’t let me whip your ass like your mama should’ve!” I know she gets hate, but Heavenly is one of the funniest Bravolebrities to me.

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    ALL: What about Bill Bell's writing made his stories and shows the top standard?

    in Discuss The Soaps

    Posted · Edited by Faulkner

    30 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

    Something very important and not mentioned yet is that Bill Bell understood the daytime audience. He wrote these shows mostly from the women’s perspective. He didn’t forget his audience was mostly made up of women.

    When I was an avid watcher of Y&R, all these women (and probably more) were on the show at virtually the same time. Katherine, Jill, Nina, Ashley, Nikki, Leanna, Sheila, Lauren, Tracy, Drucilla, Olivia, Cassandra, Cricket…I’m sure I am missing someone. Closely followed by Victoria and Sharon. These are all complex, individual women with their own points of view, their own vulnerabilities, established backgrounds, motivations and storylines. Some of them never crossed paths.

    And plenty of sex appeal- Malcolm, Ryan, Paul, Brad, etc. The men were complex too- but the women outnumbered them and were often the best parts. 

    On DAYS he had Laura, Julie, Marie, Susan, etc. All complex and vital characters, and always front and center.

    The drift toward man pain—exemplified by the sob stories of the Baldwin-Fisher brothers, Adam Newman, and Billy Abbott—is one of the most dreadful things to happen to Y&R. 

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