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Sonja's scenes were very moving, and the best I have ever seen LuAnn. In fact, they were the best the RHoNY have been in two years. I know TPTB must be ready to let heads roll given this season's slow start, but I love it now and want all the ladies to comes back. I hated Heather at the beginning and now I love her so much, even that "Holla!" in the opening credits no longer annoys me.

I totally agree, I really got into it once they found their groove. Looked forward to watching it much more than Jersey. And Heather grew on me too, holla!

NYC's highest ratings were Season 3 - the Scary Island series and lead up to finale were hitting more than 2 million viewers and topping 2.5 to 2.6 million on a few occassions.

Season 4's finale had the highest ratings with 2.4, but the majority of that season hovered the 1.8-2.0 million with the Morrocco episodes getting 2.1-2.2.

Season 5 hit 1.9 during St. Barts, but generally has been averaging 1.4-1.7 million.

Seasons 1-2 were 1.5-1.8 on average.

But OC and NYC are in the same league - BH is just above their league - but NJ and Atlanta top the franchise in their own leagues. OC and NYC start off averaging high 1.8s most of the first half and then start getting in the 2's... BH consistently has been getting 2s in their last season and finally hit over 3 million near their finale.

Thanks for that! I wondered how NYC and OC ranked, especially since they're the longest running of the RH franchise. It's well-deserved that Beverly Hills has shot ahead of those 2. BH and ATL are definitely the best, agreed Cheap. I think Jersey's best years were their first 2 and then it fell apart, yet their numbers are still wicked strong.

So many great and not-so-great ideas (NO to Jill) for New York. I do think they finally found their groove this season and I almost feel like we could've had another few weeks worth of episodes before the season finale, but apparently they had already filmed so much already that the 3 veterans refused to shoot anymore! I think if they had just been honest and realistic right off the bat about how they introduced the 3 newbies and not pretended like they had been there all along, it would've made the transition easier.

It would be quite interesting to see a former castmember brought back as a full-time Housewife again. I nominate Alex!

I think Sonja made it past the major cast purge because she's BFF's with Ramona and they weren't gonna get rid of *that* bundle of drama! Otherwise, Sonja's pretty blah. I find her to be too aloof and shallow otherwise.

I think LuAnn's good for being a [!@#$%^&*] stirrer, but her own individual storylines are also blah (or completely made up fluff just to have a story).

I would guess that Ramona, Heather, and Carole are safe for Season 5. Sonja is mostly safe for being Ramona's bestie, LuAnn might have reason to be concerned, and Aviva probably wishes she could get the eff outta there!

Does anyone know what the ratings were like for NYC in previous seasons? Was it ever up there in New Jersey territory in viewership? I'm guessing it must've been one of their bigger hits at one point to have Bethenny be popular enough to get a spin-off.

I disagree about what Aviva said regarding Ramona. I don't think Ramona drives Sonja to drink and party in an attempt to make herself look better. Ramona had no problem being a boozy party girl in Season 1 when Sonja wasn't on the show. As well, Aviva was incorrect about Ramona and Sonja being the ones dancing on the tables in St Barths, so she constructs an argument without facts. Furthermore, her "you two were sleeping naked" comment had a stench of homophobia attached to it (add that to her father describing his latest side piece as having "European features" and Aviva quoting Rush Limbaugh and it's a clear picture of where her head is at). And let's not even touch the "You didn't welcome Reid to the island! It was traumatic for me!" bullshit because it's total nonsense.

Ramona called it when she said an awful lot of women would lose a leg for the advantages Aviva has, which was a great retort to Aviva's "You think I don't know PAIN?! I lost a leg!" when the conversation was about how rough life is for Sonja. It's always about Aviva and Ramona called it right.

Luann came across amazingly during the Sonja portrait scenes. That was just plain sad to watch and Luann was a first class friend and a good lady there. I hope that what we saw was the REAL Luann, the person she is when the cameras aren't rolling, I really liked that person.

Agreed on all accounts.

You know you've effed up when some 73% vote Team Ramona vs. Team Aviva on Watch What Happens Live. I love me my Pinot Singer, but I know she's off her rockers, so to see the audience shift like that is pretty telling.

I have no doubt she is the blind item that people mentioned about a new New York castmember who regrets joining the show.

I thought season 4 basically had a lot of great ideas but the ideas were not properly carried out, imho. Case in point, Sydney/Amanda as room mates... totally rife with comic potential but we only were treated to one or two scenes. Another great idea was having Kimberly moving into the very building that she blew up.. yes very unrealistic but still would have been interesting to see her interact with all her victims (case in point, no interaction between Jo and Kimberly.. and I would have loved to have seen some awkward scenes between the two of them given their history).

I noticed that season 4 was the start of isolating characters with little character cross-over. Totally would have been interesting to interact Sydney and Brooke, and what happened to Allison/Jo's friendship? I know they had a falling out after the custody situation but the two had made up.. but season 4 showed Allison/Jane as best friends when before it was Jo/Allison.

Wow, I didn't even think of those lost opportunities, other than the Amanda/Sydney roommates scenario. Definitely could've had some awkward interaction with Kimberly apologizing to Jo for the babynapping. And also could've showcased Alison being caught in the middle of loyalties towards Jo or Jane.

And I'm still not a fan of how they changed Sydney from being a formidable vixen to a cartoonish go-go girl who talks like she's pretending to be mouse.

Grandma Logan last returned for Brooke and Thorne's wedding, I think. Or maybe a few years later.

Wow, I never knew that character existed!

I forgot to mention how thirsty Melissa's sisters are. Her sis Lysa and her husband were arguing with Kim D on twitter last night and she said she was going to stop talking to Kim bc she was making Kim relevant. None of them are relevant.

Ugh, not surprised. You know they'll be vying for a spot on Season 5.

I love this shot!

Have you seen the promo where Beverly Hills is freezing over while the ladies are walking by? So awesome! Looks very well-polished and glamourous. Can't wait for Beverly Hills & Atlanta to return!

Cant beleive Teresa accused Jaq of setting Melissa AND Teresa up! Really? Thats where Teresa lost me.

Jacqueline's dumbass thought Teresa was accusing her of setting Melissa up. No, she was accusing her of setting it up to make Teresa look like the bad guy. And she did. And it worked.

Man I swear I dont like anyone on this show but Teresa, and I hope she puts them all on blast at the reunion. I saw in the preview Teresa calls Caro an old hag. ROTFLMAO!

Agreed. They could get rid of all 4 and just keep Teresa and start with a new Jersey group and I'd be just fine with that.

I agree that this all seemed like a Teresa set-up, not a Melissa set-up. Sadly, it worked. Really sad/pathetic that a RH producer had to get their ass involved in the drama, yet it won't be addressed onscreen.

I wonder what Bravo will air on Sunday nights in October to fill the void between NJ and Atlanta... surely they won't air Reunions and NJ Lost Footage for 5 weeks.

Let's see, we have 6 Sundays to go before ATL premieres. We have Jersey's season finale this Sunday, then we could have as many as 3 parts to the reunion if they squeeze that much out of it, plus a potential "Lost Footage" special. Then the last Sunday is just a few days before Halloween so maybe they'll take a week off.

What are we going to do without her and her $25,000 sunglasses?

I think she made a song. (Good grief) We'll always have that to remember her by

I read, sorry dont have the link, that as someone posted above Kim is basically a friend of because she was prego and didnt film a lot this season by request. She did get paid her full salery tho and is likely to film another mini-spinoff to air between this season and next, but she didnt partake in any of the promo pics/shoots/etc for this season and is expected to return full time next season. I have to say, i think that is really respectable on both ends. Bravo for agreeing to it, and her for putting her family first. Girl has come a LONG way!

I read that too, though I don't remember confirmation that she'd be back full-time for season 6. I'm guessing this will be Kim and NeNe's last season, as their 5 season contract will be up (or am I imagining that 5-season-contract thing?) and they're both ready to move on.

I would think that her salary would be reduced this season for that very reason that she didn't film much and didn't participate as much. If I were the other ladies, I would protest to that, especially since she's the 2nd highest paid lady there.

The new BH woman is named Yolanda Hadid.

Kenya Moore is one of ATL's new ladies, right? Not sure who the woman next to NeNe is. I thought Rudy from The Cosby Show was joining? Is that her?

Where's Atlanta's Kim? Did they downgrade her to friend-of-the-Housewives??

No Camille in BH, boo...

Thank goodness. She was insufferable. There's fun crazy (like NJ's Danielle) and stupid crazy. She was just too dumb and ignorant to be entertaining.

It did seem awfully contrived and set up by Bravo, no doubt. Whether Teresa is innocent or not (and supposedly, we'll learn the truth of the matter next week), she definitely covered her bases in looking innocent. Whatever the case turns out to be, Kim D looks more than willing to play the game and stir the pot for the sake of causing drama (and getting airtime, no matter how bad she looks... figuratively and literally).

Yesterday, they replayed the Posche fashion show from the early part of season 3 when Melissa and Kathy were still the newbies, and boy, they were practically salivating on camera at the fact that they were a part of the show. From chatting with the likes of Kim G (the 55 year old who dresses like an 18-year-old prostitute) to acting like a total diva (hi, Melissa!) when strutting on the runway for the fashion show, you could tell these 2 wannabes were loving their newfound limelight.

Kim D... Posche fashion... kind of takes me back to the good ol' days of season 2 when Danielle was the big thorn in everyone's side. Sigh, good times.

I'm hoping that was the last supper we'll see of the Manzo clan, as well as a final wrap-up of Ashley and the relationship with mama Jacqueline. These 2 sourpusses (Caroline, Jacq) need to be replaced come season 5. Jacqueline was even a total buzzkill on last night's WWHL. Meanwhile, Lauren, a.k.a. the Meg Griffin of the Manzo family, is becoming a Caroline-in-training, which does not look good on her. I hear Lauren even appears in the reunion and goes off on Teresa.

Sarah stayed behind in Aremid after everyone left town in March of 1996. She was the daughter of Uncle Lou, the man who ran the pub in Aremid. I would think she was older than 18-19 since she took an interest in Jack.

No I prefer that. I hate when reality shows try to ignore the fact that these people are celebries. That is a part of their "realit"y now and should be displayed.

I agree with you on that, however, New Jersey has completely relied on their fame for any and all type of storyline. From cookbooks to book signings to magazine covers to magazine quotes, it's just a bit too much. If it wasn't for Teresa's fame, Jacqueline would have zero camera time ever since the day Ashlee's dumb ass left home.

Glad that NYC is gaining viewers... this past Monday's episode was on fire! Great comedy from looney-tunes Ramona and Sonja, snarky comments from Carole and Holla!, and skanky shenanegins with The Countess! Great enjoyable episode all throughout. And next week, Aviva sees Ramona in a whole new light... dun, dun, dun!!!

The New Jersey fight was just ridiculous. Eric said it best about Kathy; she was following wherever the cool crowd was going. Jacqueline is a total wimp, "sleeping" through the fight. Caroline is so stubborn, deciding what is and what isn't a genuine apology. Bitch, get a life, I'd say to her. What was really awkward was how the families were stepping into the fire, first the husbands, then the Manzo spawns.

I have to say, I think EVERYONE is wrong (yes, even Teresa), including Bravo, for making the tabloid magazines such a huge part of the storyline. This show is supposed to be about their lives, not about their fame that has stemmed from the very TV show we're watching. Like Dina said, "for some, it used to be a show about their lives. Now, their lives have become the show." So true.

I find it especially famewhore hungry at the idea that Melissa had this whole "On Display" song picked out and autotuned sung, BEFORE she was even on television. That was a part of season 3's antics. She was "on display" in the public eye before the show even started airing?? Wishful thinking, lady...

SO glad we FINALLY get to see the Dina episode next week!!!

If Bravo wants blockbuster ratings (and if both ladies could be coaxed into returning), they should bring out Dina and Danielle Staub at some point during the Season Four Reunion to clear the air about certain matters. I just want Danielle's crazyass back onscreen one more time

She is embracing it; she did a photo shoot with her grandbaby and did the article. It's alright to make up cutesie names, better than denying their existance altogether the way Sheree tried to pass off her twentysomething daughter as a friend in the 1st season (apparently Sheree didn't realize that a little something called the Internet exists...)

I thought I read they shot 4 vacations this season. So if I'm remembering correctly, this is vacation spot No. 3? The previews look fan-frickin-tastic. The new ladies are finally beginning to hold their ground against the veterans and it's starting to balance out. Can't wait to see how it all falls apart comes together....

That. Is. Hilarious. LOL I'm not a big Basketball Wives fan, the hubby is, but I know the main players of Tami, Evelyn, etc. Perfect statement for Teresa to use at Kathy (and anyone to use at ATL's Sheree last season)

When I watched Aviva on WWHL a couple weeks back, she looks mortified and uncomfortable. I wonder how she feels about this whole Real Housewives thing now that she's in the thick of it all. Carole was cool as a cucumber on her WWHL appearance, but like Antoyne said, she stays away from the drama which will do her no favors next year when casting for season six.

Ramona, Ramona, so delusional and mostly wrong, but God bless her, ya just gotta love her insanity. Sonja was all types of wrong, too, with the Heather situation. Sonja is making all these demands and is so ungrateful, I really hope she sees how self-absorbed she was in watching this episode. (Sonja is a blah take-her-or-leave-her character for me anyways, so I don't *really* care).

I just want to see the switch when Aviva is no longer up Ramona's ass. "CALM DOWN!" Good crazy stuff it looks to be.

Omigod, Caroline is nothing but one big blob of misery. I swear she was thisclose to saying Teresa planned to injure her foot for sympathy. C'mon, you just KNOW that was on the tip of her tongue. She's such a sourpuss. And calling Lauren an a--hole? I'm on Lauren's side on this. It's just weird that Caroline defends her gay & alcoholic sons no matter what, but Lauren is the fat overly emotional a--hole. Something ain't right with this bunch. I wonder if Lauren is jealous that Greg gets to sleep in Albie's bed?

Then there's Jacqueline. One minute, putting up this argument that Teresa's being fake but has no examples to back it up, claims she's done with Teresa, and then literally 2 seconds later starts melting into tears. She's just a mess. Maybe she realizes she'll have no story and no camera time if she "breaks up" with Teresa.

Good golly Miss Molly, get us to that damn Posche fashion show and wrap up this season!

That last photo with the purple bellbottoms fascinates me. It's like they took a teeny, tiny head, and put it on a giant body. I don't get it. The red dress photo looks like Death Becomes Her. I think the shoe closet one is best.

I like the expression on her face in the red dress. It's quintessential NeNe, like in the opening of Celebrity Apprentice. She looks nice in the fireplace photo too. But yeah, that purple pants photo looks like it was warped by someone who's a beginner at Photoshopping.