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Because in Holly's eyes Harley was not a good mom..(I am sure giving Susan up for adoption...though she probably would have encouraged her to do so when trashtastic Daisy came back..) Roger fails to exist from this point on until Sebastian...per MADD. I did hate how Blake post 93/94 entire life revolves around Ross..she does not seem to work, she is having out at the diner of all places constantly, and then she has the kids and spends her time horning on Ben for...reasons???/

Hart thought it was the stalker outside and ran out, knocking the door into Dinah. But here is the thing with the dumbed down GL...the door opened OUT instead of in (it wasn't the screen door, it was the door to the house!)

Oh, my a Nadine fan exists!!! I thought Nadine was knock off Nola..but so was Harley at first. Though I did love her as a greedy social climber with a B-Hollywood past. One of my fave scenes was Frank talking about how he didn't have a traditional mom or upbringing, as she would "Let us stay up late watching Johnny Carson eating out of a bucket of chicken!" That line itself would only be written by a GL writer at that time (I cant imagine anyone in Marland's ATWT saying that) and exemplified Nadine and the Cooper family which made them unique, before they tried to turn them into the Super Dooper Coopers the selfrighteous center of SF. I hated that they put poor Deenie chasing after Buzz and living at the diner all the time...now that I think about it, the same thing happend to Nola, stuck in the Boardinhouse and then chasing Buzz. Both of them deserved better. Ferrel wanted to go, which is one of the dumbest things she could do, what other acting job could she get? Long talked her into staying longer after her contract ran out so she could write her out..but THIS is how you do it..being dragged out to go to a nuthouse to never be heard from again...(they did mention Roxie as a possible stalker during that time..)

Nah, I liked that Bridget was taking over the family business, and they did have the boardinghouse be the refuge of "misfits" as Roger called them once. THAT is where Nola comes in, taking care of and cultivating the misfits of bland SF encourage them to be themselves (as now she has cash and can tell the world to go to hell..) And yes, in fanmind, boring heroine Dinah met Nola and Quint in Morocco and Nola introduced her to...the boys and the, refreshments, encouraging her to be herself and rebel against society Van...hence she turned into MonizDinah. I would have Dinah favor Nola and of course, Nola backing D against Van..just ot bug her. Yes! The original goodbye scenes of 85 have Nola relunctantly leaving, and Quint really pressuring her to go. Henry says he will send her his typewriter (God knows many a mash note and letters attached to hush money was typed out on that from Henry to the waiters, bartenders and pool boys at the Lakeland CC.) and Nola says, "Yes, maybe I will write a series of Nola Adventures." So I would have her do it, imaging herself as the flamboyant heroine of each, and she becomes successful. Maybe her latest is a prequel, "Boardinghouse Blues" where the plucky heroine goes up against the town snob who doesnt want her to marry into the family. Van sees Bridget reading it (no one knows it Nola) and says, "I didnt know you read trash like that...its like it was written by a moron!"

I think that we the audience, knew it was Roger, so I was fine with them keeping the mask on for Alex, they just didn't need the weird accent. Amanda had history, they just never really used it, besides having Alex throw out a "They should have kept you locked in that attic," which was funny, but too mean spirited for Alex. Cassie didn't work other then to rebuild Reva's family, and by that time she had enough airtime. I always wished they made Cassie dislike Reva from the start and be the one person in town to tell her to go to hell. I love Nola and the Reardons so I think she was needed, especially with Van marrying her nephew and sharing Peter with Bridget,(and who couldn't love the small bit of sniping between Van and Nola, Van had become St. Van at that time so it was nice to have someone ring her beads) but not in the way they used her...which was, "Oh look, we have Nola back!" The show needed to get away from the Coopers and 5th Street and it needed some levity at that time...Nola should have been the ATWT Lisa, connecting everyone and going from place to place providing exposition as she noses into everyone's business. They also could have used her to intro a new Chelle recast, and have her spend the summer with Nola and coming back and being more rebellious (not the cheerleader boy crazy character they brought back.) She could have clashed with Ed over Chelle, etc. Again, they didn't do any of that as they brought back a dour Nola who hung out at the Boardinghouse bitter about her husband cheating on her. At very least brought her back for a few months to give Van a pain in the ass and call Ed out for his cheating..I don't understand why soaps don't bring back old characters for short arcs like that.

Agreed on you putting Kinkead in with the greats. I never understood why we needed a recast Alex as we had SF's original ice queen already there.

I think Pilon is head and shoulders above Raines..I don't get that people on Facebook GL pages seem to love Raines, but I think if they put a hot turd on their TVs some people would love that hot turd, not that I think Raines is a turd...I think Pilon looked like he could have been the father of the guy playing AM at that time, and he had a least an air of gothic mystery to him, Raines had NO mystery to him..he practically had thought bubbles over his head with "Creating EVIL plan" Off topic on Xanadu..it didn't help the ONJ can only play herself, which could have worked if she only had a leading man who could have sang and dance, and acted.

I'm not talking about that..we have parties all the time and the neighbors (unfortunatley sometimes) drop by unannounced like were a sitcom..I tell my partner "WTF is the Bob and Kim's house or are we the Bauer kitchen" which he looks at me in confusion. I am saying that the last thing you want to do when throwing a big party is take a break from your guests to go up and screw, which is what Rick and Abby did for a 4th. It was supposed to be cute, but all I could think was..."They do know the dishes are piling up..."

It thought that was the BBQ..2001 when Harley and Frank and the first responders came and Buzz made a speach. I thought that was a great one and for once, the Coopers and Buzz did not bug me.

Ha..Long wrote some interesting ones in the early part of her stint, but she was good at community events. I liked the 95 one where Annie came drunk (and again, oddly no one noticed her even though she had to be all over the papers just before this) and flirted with Phillip (which is where that should have gone) and annoyed Reva by scaring those annoying brats she helped raise. I also do like the last one that had a bittersweet tone to it, and actually looked like a party in someone's yard. There was one of the "Ed-less years" where Rick and Abby took time out of the party to screw...obviously no writer ever threw a big family party as that is the LAST thing on your mind when you have 50 people in your house.

Great history, thanks! This works in with the earlier posted scene of the dull Bauer BBQ where Ed says, "I grew up on it" and the last one where Rick says, "Grandma started this." I wish they would have done an Oktoberfest with an odd to their German heritage.

The original Tad Channing was hot if I remember..I never knew why they put Larry Pine in as you could see the first one getting away with manipulating women...Iva looked even more of a sad sack then usual. But Marland (besides his farm boys) never really cast for looks or charima...(anyone who would replace Greg Marx with Scott Holmes does not care about that..)

God I LOVE XANADU..(I guess I can keep my gay card!) Where else can the lead actress be in dance numbers and she just stands there and sways and smiles while everyone else works their ass off, but she wins the audience over just by being..pretty and nice!

I don't know why JFP didn't do that..but she wanted Mo..DEAD..DEAD. Easy enough after their fight, Ed begs her to stay the night at the cabin, he wakes up and hears her care going..he goes after her..she slides off, but the old reliable hitchhiker who dies in a flaming wreck. Also, Mo would have to be in a coma to make that work, she would never let her daughter or the rest of her family (no matter what other writers tried to do..the Reardons of Marland and Long were tight...) believe she was dead.

The Bauers should have been as involved with them as the Spaudlings. I would have written Mike back in secretly investigating Roger being alive...with him crashing on the island with Alex. Mo moving back to the Boardinghouse (and kicking the fake Bauers and Shaynes out) and actually friending Roj to bug her husband but then liking him (I would have Roger admit the rape to Mo to start his redemption) and Rick feeling his old issues with his dad (instead of once again being screwed by proxy by Phillip..boys boys, just do each other and leave the third party out of it) and Blake manipulating his familial affection in her schemes. And beef! LOL..Thanks Donna!

The whole thing is so underwritten and boring..its like Long was dying to get back to...Jeva and Reva bellowing to her family at RevaBend. (at least the Shaynes had the good sense to skip the BBQ this year.) Ed's ex-wife who had had a super complicated relationship with is back in town..its should have happened slowly, with Ed back in protector mode (well, I can't see PS Ed as a protector but) of both him and "Chrissie," but its like "Oh hi, want to move in, my current wife moved out..and ya wanna start banging again?" This should have brought back Ed's addiction issues, Rick who was on standby during the original drama should have been on Mo's side, but he is Mr. Sadsack again, coming in and telling people that he is separated (I wanted Johnny and Chelsea to ask "Who,, you're married? Oh yea, we forgot.")EVERYONE at the BBQ should have been giving them the side eye and making Holly feel like an intruder...(thus making her decision to leave the house) Mo should have immediately been friendly to Roger just to bug the crap out of those two. The only person besides Chelle who seems to care is Chelsea, but she is all "Well, at least we have a BBQ to go to." I wish Tony or one of her brothers were around to beat the crap out of DickEd. You can tell Long did not care unless Reva suddenly became a marriage counselor and is involved..but then Ed and Mo would have to go on and on about how they wish they had their "Always"! Those two actors were put on contract too! I kept expecting Lacy Bauer to return! Lol on Johnny and Chelsea I noticed there make out session in front of everyone and I wanted to someone to yell, "Get a room!" The BBQ was so boring that year I think everyone was half asleep. This definaltey seemed like more of a Marland written party, where everyone there is too polite to say how bored they are and "Let's go to the lake and watch the fireworks!"

Wow...besides Roger and Sonni..the show was so bad and boring. I didn't realize they were so desperate to make Frank viable that they throw poor Sam at him! I love AM wearing a tennis sweater, on the 4th of July in the midwest, just to offset him from Dylan (which reminds me, no one ever comments on the heat or bugs at the BBQ) The older couple were Johnny's parents, who for some reason Long got rid of Bea and had them and the Shaynes running the boarding house...(no one paid attention to them as no one knew who the hell they were) The Lainie actress would have made a good Meta Bauer. Guess what Rick, no one cares that Meredith left you or that she exists. Ed is such a dick here. Holly is living with him, and he is screwing her, but he is going to marriage counseling and he says he loves Mo? (I love that Ed's latest mistress knows where the number of his future mistress, Lillian is..) Mo is a real wimp here...she is moaning on her love of Ed and not kicking Holly's ass out of her house? Forget sad sack Ed, I would want the big ass house with the pool and t that cool fireplace..) But then Mo was horning on Fletcher (she has terrible taste.) Everyone but Chelsea thinks it is aokay that Mo moves out and Ed's ex wife who he hasnt seen in years moves in and he is banging her? I really didn't realize that Long's second tenure was so bad..I guess I was too into Sonni/Solita and Roger to see how boring and odd it was.

I always thought Reva should have a gay brother, or son, who would be as man hungry as she was. It would never happen at that time or with P & G...(didnt that boring Nuke on ATWT never kiss???) but how hilarious it would be and set TV's across the south and midwest on fire... Promo voice over "Look out...there's a NEW slut in Springfield!" and then show Rusty eyeing up Phillip's banana hammock!

There was absolutely nothing going on at GL at that time, so of course they were popular with whomever was left watching that train wreck of a show (I have to admit I still tuned in out of habit.) For the dumbed down audience watching it...it was a typical bad boy with a heart of gold with the good bland girl, and that coupled with people think TP was the next Pacino...was enough the for soap mags to push it. The fact remains that Jonathon tricked Tammi to have sex with her own cousin, to do damage to her family. If they had ever had a scene where Tams confronted him for that and he admitted his wrong doing okay. But Kriezman had such a hard on for TP and Jon, that he never had to accept any consquences and he always came out on top.

That's a very good take on things. I agree, but I wish the show had taken the time to show that, Van approves of Bridget in the way that Maureen would, and it very much mattered to Bridget what Maureen thought, and then she and Dylan go off into the sunset. But again, they were taking too much time with Annie/Reva and then setting up that dull ass Jeffrey scam storyline and putting poor Jenna back with Buzzard and..Harley and Phillip, which was just..weird.

You can tell that Rauch just has no use for Bridget...part of it, is that she is not blonde "hot" and I am sure he thought Nola and Bridget were interchangeable as he thought Alex and Amanda were (and later writes off all because, they just aint Reva...) This was the perfect time to if they chose to write Bridget off over the months with Dylan coming back to town now that Billy is out of prison and there is yet another endless Reva drama going on..and have the two of them get closer over the course of her trial and then get married and attempt to leave town when bam Vanessa returns. At least give her a couple weeks with Peter before she sees that he needs to be with Bridget and that she needs her own life...it would be good scenes with Maeve and Melissa and put a cap on a things nicely. But soaps didnt do that anymore and Rauch was too into the Reva/Annie story (which I can see them jumping on, but it was lazy that they werent building anything up on any part of the canvas to take over once that was done, so we got endless cycles of DumbRevaDrama. Peter returns with Dylan for H.B.'s funeral (which I can't belive anyone thought to do) and Van says "Peter!" but acts like she is an aunt or family friend not his mother.

Thanks..boy Phillip was being a real DICK and I can't believe that Rick and Mo just stood there. Meredith is...what was the reason for her? Johnny is a big black hole of boredom, and what was the thing with Chelsea's robe? Why was Rusty's girlfriend handing out with Ed, and Fletcher never fails to annoy, though you can tell Hammer thinks he is as cute as can be...(are there ANY locks at the Spaulding mansion?) Speaking of mansions, I never thought that H.B. would live in that house, though I love the set. I love that there is a thunderstorm...there is never a thunderstorm on a soap that does not mean something bad is happening.

These scenes and the relationship don' t make sense. I remember stopping around this time as it was All Buzz, and then, all of a sudden, Holly and Roger are a happy, and boring couple? Holly jumping into the man who beat and raped her arms...(and I love be some Roger/Holly, but the sexy, push pull love and hate Roger and Holly, not this...) But then again, the whole episode didn't make sense...Vanessa's boat trip is filmed and sound tracked as if she is at Camp Crystal Lake or there is a bomb on the boat.. NotAlan is talking to Tangie about revenge (does she know who he is?) Jenna and the BORING ass cosmetics storyline. The only saving grace is Bridget and Dylan, and I can't help it, I love them together. Englund is a piece of ass but it works that he would be in love with this not model looking girl. I thought that the son of Billy and Reva should have been a bit more..wild, but they wrote to the actor's strength and its kind of sweet. So much so I will admit when they brought that weird NuDylan on and he had dumped Bridget to chase after, who else, but Harley, I was kinda pissed!

I remember that one..thanks for posting it! Agree that Tom and Lisa having a complicated dynamic makes sense (she let the Hughes raise him for a good bit of his youth, kind of like on GL, Shayne and Marah act like their mother was Carol Brady and not Reva...) I can see Deas playing that out, which is why I would like to see any scenes with Wagner. His scenes with Chris are mostly talking law case exposition, but there is a layer or respect and warmth there, which makes sense. Deas Toms' reaction to his iron fisted grandmother would be interesting. I think Fulton acted her way into the dotty mother role. I thought the Dobson's wrote her correctly, she wasnt the STAR anymore but she was Lisa, and Fulton went over the top with the...eccentric act, to get attention and it kind of stuck.

I get why they did Brent/Marian at this time...it was, as the mags said, the time to "Beat the drum loudly" and do something outrageous to get attention. But you are right...this should have led somewhere. My idea was to focus less on Lucy and more on the rest of the canvas, particularly Holly and Roger. I think I wrote this before but I would have Fletch investigating Alans' ties to Brent, while Holly supports Lucy as a rape victim. Alex, to get the heat off of Alan and Spaulding, plants evidence on Roger, and Fletch, knowing Holly still has those conflicted feelings, is ready to believe it is him, and goes after him to finally put him behind bars. There is a confrontation between the two of them in public when Roger lets looses to his violent side, and the classic soap, "I could KILL you!" and Holly remembers what it was like to be beat by Roger. Roger is arrested for battery and gets bail and Fletch still pursues it..Blake and Ross argue over Roger..(giving Amanda a chance to take advantage of the rising tension) with Ed and finally even Alex warning Fletch to drop it. Fletch gets evidence that leads him to Marion and instead of Nadine Fletch gets killed. Brent plants evidence from Roger on the body and everyone is ready to blame Roger..except Blake (maybe Ross is the D.A. at this time) and suprisingly Ed, who sees medical evidence that makes him question Roger could do it. Holly goes full out neurotic grieving widow (Holly and Fletch argued about her feelings for Roger right before he ran out and got killed) and is on the hunt for evidence against him, but finally sees it was not Roger, and they work together to smoke out the real killer. So while Marion would still stalk Lucy the rest of the cast would be involved and at the end Holly might find her dark side working with Roger..not that she would hook up with him, but that would lead into Blake's babygate (not twins or Ricks.. I would make the baby Matts) and Holly uses Ed to access the records and change the paternity test to Ross, etc.