Mitch64

Its too bad too, as Schultz actually woke up and is quite good here. I just never understood why the David actor was considered a good actor. Steve and Carol...when Betsy came along no one mentioned them again. How was Karen connected to Eric? I thought she came on when David came back. Dano totally miscast as Cyntihia..a pharmacist, when I could see her as a fashion designer at Fashions, trading barbs with Lisa and Babs. The therapist is totally unprofessional...this was the begging of the culling of the spring summer newbies that came post Dobsons first run. Muscle Boy Rick, the asian doctor and his wife (may have already be gone) Hayley and her aunt (Dobsons creation) the sexy blonde nurse and this blond doctor guy, who is cute but what the hell was his storyline?) While the Dobsons started this, and were never good for ATWT, the show was a mess at this point, and when they came back they did make it better. Still would like to know why they quit, or were fired and why they came back.

Love this Dinah..she is so much better and believable as a former carny then Moniz was (and I really like Moniz, I didn't like the writing.) Her chemistry with the actor playing Bill is totally brother and sister (which I don't remember Moniz having with young Bill) and the writing is actually good here. Things could have been turned around at this late date if they focused on the Marler family as the center of things...Ross is the patriarch of town, and I think LK is good as a grown up, licked her wounds, warm and loving but still have an edge Blake. Instead of recasting Marina and having yet ANOTHER Cooper to stink up the joint, bring back Sam, have more of Holly involved..again, I have never understood several regimes love for the Coopers, except for the fact they were shoving GUSH down our throats 24/7 here. Matt is still boring and the actor lethargic, and what the hell was with that set?

Oddly enough RR and MG had chemistry in that short little scene. It was nice to see Alan have an age appropriate woman who wasn't a pscyho or in love with Josh..and it was nice to see Holly without Fletcher, Billy or Buzz. An Alan/Holly/Ed triangle would be nice, and while I was sick of Alex's obsession with Alan's romantic life, seeing her seethe having her former bestie, nemesis, one who could match her with cutting sarcasm would have been fun. That scene was also going to be the start of Seb vs. Alan in a takeover, which included Josh (who could forget the flirting Seb did with Josh in their scene) Blake, but, it was stopped, which sucked as it could have been good. ATWT's 25th anniversary was Kim and Nick's wedding and the announcer made a comment "Thank you for 25 great years!" But the show was such a mess at that time, Wagner just quit, DM was used as a walk on, there was no sense of community or family, so it just happened (and now I realize that they were trying to make Kim and Nick the new Nancy and Chris...)

SB was not my cup of tea...so never saw him but could see how he would work as a sleazeball. I think its the combo of Buzz being so OT and Deas being full of himself and the whole industry acting as if he is soap's answer to Pacino. Well, also, Buzz was the original Jonathon....always got to win out and no one ever called him on being an ass! Totally agree...I just can't see them acting out the morose Marland storylines. They really would have been good in a primetime show together.. I wonder why not writers picked up on Tom's past drug issues, Deas would have been good in that .

I loved that storyline! Though I am sorry, CB and KZ did not have the chemistry needed to see that obsession storyline. That last promo from the music, the clips, the hair..just SCREAMS 80s.

Those are nice, cute scenes between Tom and Lisa,...I havent seen Tom interacting with his family (besides Bob) that much..and Deas is actually charming here (much more charming then Holmes interactions with Lisa) and Fulton is not jittering around who knew that they would be good for each other...though its weird him calling her "mother" and not mom. I can't tell if Lisa is breaking bad on Margo or if she is trying to make Tom feel guilty and hire her back. I never can understand what happened to Deas to make him so obnoxious as Buzz.

I agree that it was a little bit of all those things. I know she was sabotaged with Rauch, who did the same thing with Taggert, who had to fight for every line. I think E & B were pliable puppets and Labine and Taggert had their own voices. I can imagine what she would have done with the Bauers, and if the Reardons were still at the Boardinghouse and Company it would be right up their alley (which they should have done, Nola buys back Company and Buzz opens up a Greek Taverna (not a diner, I hate diners on soaps) I think Labine would have loved writing the 7th and 5th street people but I know Rauch was all about boring blonde people in fantasy stories. I did like her handing of Meta and loved the little story about her and Claire going at it, and Alan putting them in charge of the restoration of the lighthouse..that would have been fun but was dropped.

Also Saundra Santiago..they were all Rauch hires so interesting point. Patti got tossed not long after she told fans on a board to "bite me." She was trying to do a Zimmer, without half the skill, of whipping up a fan base in support of her. That was at the time people were really getting vocal in push back against Jeva hogging airtime and Patti jumped in with her comments...it didn't work well with her. I can see TPTB dictating she has to go and Rauch telling her and the others, "I can't do anything about it, its all Claire!"

I think McKeon got that "early aughts" vibe down...disinterested in everything and so annoyed with her family..(when they let her be.) Cole must have learned from Kimmer to have a steady club of fraus ready to write in. Supposedly Conboy and Weston were at one of those bad GL fan things and Cole had a "concert" where the fraus were rocking out to Bradley's tunes...and they decided they had to write him back in...(I don;t know how true that is but it sound s like much of the decision making during that time.) Never got Labine..didn't she have a character who talked to a bird on another show? I heard Mae was supposed to be Stacey Chamberline, which would have been cool if she was played by a better actress...(remember, the gum chewing was just a cover for being a fed undercover.)

God...sorry Countess..but really, another big mistake of Wheeler's was to turn the show into the Harley Hour and by extension, the Super Dooper Coopers,,(not enough they have to stink up Company and the Boarding House, but they had to move into the Bauer house for a bit? Get your own damn house and set Coopers...) I forgot about that.. having Jeffery bang Marah (and then marry Reva...god she became such a hillbilly) or anyone was just gross. Remember him banging perpetally horny Beth..over the Spaulding desk and then showing Alan eating the breakfast they screwed over. What was up with that? Now that I think of it, all of the production people and whoever wrote that crap deserve to be unemployed for the rest of their lives!!!!

Dinah tried to make friends with Harley, but hard edged Harley wouldnt have any of it...eventually Harley kind of used her to get closer to AM, (but then Dinah left) I do remember when Ehlers came back for the anniversary they had Harley say, "Wow, Dinah Marler sure changed," but we didn't get to see the interaction (and I don't think they ever interacted after that, except for Harley being part of Cassie's mean girl squad against Dinah.) Ehlers was great when she first came on the show, natural and totally the tough girl who was hurt inside..(her first few days she would walk around with sunglasses on no matter what) Its too bad what her acting eventually became and they turned Harley from bad girl, to spitfire, to everday woman..which was great..but when she became the skinny blonde who every man must love it was too much.

I don't remember..he just came back after apparently dumping Bridget, to be MADLY in love with Harley, even though he never was in the past. I just always thought that Brian whatever his name is just looked like a doufas! But I have a love for RealDylan..who I know was not the greatest actor, but he had a sweetness about him that really sold that his blond muscle boy would be protective, appreciate and in love with someone like Bridget. And yes, I know it makes no sense that the kid of Reva and Billy would be this mellow nice guy but it worked.

Imagine my shock when Branson came on and I thought Shayne Lewis was hot..a bit weird where boring generic little Shayne became a deep voiced hottie..getting it on with hottie Dinah!!!!

Thanks...and yes, it did make for very boring viewing...could care less about Jack and Carly so you are stuck having them talk endlessly...(and remember when they used to make fun of the old days when people were in a kitchen chatting over coffee, where we were right back there, but I could care less about two middle aged people acting like teenagers and talking bout breaking up, making up, etc.. Lord, I will never forgive that woman for foisting her friend, Whatshisface to play NuDylan. You should also check out her Linkedin page...for a "creative narration expert," its a whole lot of verbage that says nothing.

Was this Babs Bloom involvement?

Why? I know it's cheaper but what else is the advantage. I was bored to tears of Jack and Carly never leaving their Jack and Carly zone, etc. It MIGHT have worked if you had a connector like Lisa to dip in and out of everyone's storyline so it was more cohesive.

What is this pod storytelling you speak of?

Your right..so odd that they always cast Marah younger and didn't SORAS like Chelle (I would have SORASED a bit for Reva's return, that kid who played Marah made me teeth hurt with her cutesy pie ways...lord, remember LOWHAD???)She really should have been in the Chelle, Bill group.

I actually like McKeon when they let her (for a bit) be angry with Reva, who was in prison and March goes to visit her and lets loose on Reva that yet again, she is gone and Marah has to pick up the pieces and try to take care of Josh and Shayne. As you mentioned, the natural conflict would have been for Marah and Shayne (especially Shayne) lean towards Annie and not trust Reva. They could still have EVIL Annie still care about the kids, but also can't help herself in manipulating them against Reva. But Rauch had to have Reva be all good and subtle writing was out by then. It could have provided year's of underlying tension and also provide reasons for Reva contstantly running around as she does not feel comfortable with her own kids. It was for that reason that I didn't like LBB as they were trying to hard to make her Reva Jr. I thought Marah should be more like Josh, calmer but also judgmental towards Reva and her crap. I did think they missed the opportunity to make Shayne gay, with this time Josh being accepting ("I always knew") and Reva freaking out thinking it was her fault for being gone and just being way too OTT all the time. But then she becomes the world's most obnoxious PFLAG mom ever ("No Mom, you can't go to the bar with me..people will think YOURE the drag queen.)

Not only kill Ross, but have Rick and Phillip be indirectly responsible for it (oh yes and trying to make Phillip a James Stenbeck/Stefano BIG BAD.) They could have easily left it that no body was found...(poor Blake..ending up with...Frank Cooper!!!) McKinsey at least knew the show. No..everyone knew they were getting ready to put GL and ATWT to bed for good. Wheeler was a choice for a reason..she came cheap and she didn't what the hell she was doing so the death was being hastened by assinging a well meaning but inept doctor to the patient on life support. She was a usefull idiot. Gautman on the other hand knew exactly what was going on. Its no mistake the Rauch "retired" when he did, as tacky as he was he still knew what GL was and how to put a show together and he didn't want to be there to the end. That was it...Wheeler was given a show that had no budget, because of Conboy. Rauch had the show looking good and spruced up some sets before he left...the New Years Eve episodes with the Bauer House look great..Conboy blew it all on and tanked the budget.

No of course not..Mandy Bruno.... GL did that first, and better with Gilly and David..until McTrash had to come in and screw it all up..and then David later came back under Rauch as a generic soap hottie. LOVE Curlee's GL..she just GOT the show. Too bad Laibson didn't move heaven and earth to get her back, or at least as a consultant. I can't see her working for Rauchie, but Annie would have had a soul and Reva would actually be brought back to earth.

Did Conboy steal that prop for GL..they had a glowing eyed mask or tiki..that they showed once and someone had some sense and it was never shown or mentioned again.

I loved when Van came back for Jeva's 8 millionth wedding, during the anniversary shows..Cassie sneered at her and Van gave her the ice queen cold shoulder, from her hey day! He just seemed to be typical muscle model boy from the Rauch years but then he was..okay..not great...but certainly Frankie D like acting okay...(which may be damning with faint praise...) they just never explained who Remy was beside Mel's bro and they had a hard time writing for her. I can see where he would work better on a show like Bold. She seemed just like another of Wheeler's twee young girls she would cast like the Marina/Lizzie/Ava actress that made my teeth hurt.

LOL..you and everyone else! I did know as they were posting it on the GL FB pages and Candice Mack (who is invested entirely too much of her energy in making friends with the cast) went on about how Frank was dedicated to his "craft" (what standing there, fluffing his hair?) Its weird but I always liked Moniz...she has to play a certain type and having her as a heroine did not work...(neither did her going around town being snotty to Van and of all people Bridget, who never could snark back and had to always back off for her...) But I think TP's quality of Old Hollywood might have made it work as Nola's daughter who grew up on those old movies. I watched some of those scene the other day, and while it was stupid that Van would arranger her get away (and not have to suffer any legal or social consequences) Moniz is really good and it makes you feel its all real (though I could care less about Grillo's Hart...) That was during Holly's recovery and they brought back Fletch for it too. Hammer insisted on a three month contract (smart man) but they ended it all to sacrifice to Cassie being poor and then San Crud. Many things changed during this time and I can only think it was an edict from above or Rauch finally having the freedom to make GL as craptastic as his OLTL. MG and TW had great chemistry and it would have worked but I am sure some focus group said they were too old and would rather watch a permed blonde woman in a dumb archaic fantasy island storyline.

Well, she was stuck in that dumb "record producer" storylines (not too many major production companies put up shop in a medium sized midwestern cities..Dahlia could have just been starting a singing career in the region ...) and then tied to being a spoiler in the Jesse (SNORE) Chele thing, and then they grafter her on to be Ben and whatsherfaces daughter....she never had any ties to major characters or families so she did her best. I saw..read some interview where Brown was kind of ..."Ohhh Tammy..that girl" and not in a bitchy way but that she was a handful that needed a lot of work. That might have made a good dynamic if she was cast as Stacey..Nola being exasperated by her just like Bea was with Nola. I didn't think she was the greatest thing on earth while at GL either but then, while I found TP to be the successor to Pacino as everyone goes on about either.