Mitch64

No Jeff Ryder was still headwriter. Its weird in a podcast, when the host was asking Pam Long about the Bauers..she says she didn't dislike them or write them out and she said she couldn't Jeff Ryder wouldnt let her as he loved GL history. Uh, no. I actually liked her 99 return..she actually made RR look good and while they had no sexual chemistry, I never felt that MKA (or RR for that matter) had that with anyone. I really thought she could have taken the place of BevAlex in the Spaulding family, an interesting combo of good and Spaulding ruthless, who took care of the ones she loved and ripped the heart out of her enemies with no remorse. But Rauchie deemed her, "a dog," and that was that.

But Charita always looked "older" then her age. All this discussion made me look up Bert's memorial and what a piece of crap that is. First the lethargy in the whole thing, no one is really seeming to experience any actual sadness. You have Faux Ed, and Rick..who is just sitting and moping by the fireplace (and in a following episode which is supposed to be the exact same day, he is at Company and seeming fine..) You have comments about her but they don't reference anything beyond Long and Kobe as that was the only cast that was there. They made no effort to bring anyone back...no Mike, no Hope, no Meta, no Rick's grandad who was Bert's friend for years. They could have brought in Bea to at least have a reassuring motherly presence, (but no we have Sarah Shayne coming in a short while) and they just have Mike call on the phone, "He was sorry he had to leave after the service, but he couldnt get his court date postponed.." at least say he is in the kitchen with Hope or something...) The pacing in lethargic and there is no warmth or like I said emotion...and they cut away to go to Kyle's house with boring Maeve in her bedroom and Kyle gritting his teeth at Hawk( I really don't like Malloy in this role, he is so stilted and effected and flairs his nostrils constantly) and over at Company with Flock of Segalls boy and Jesse getting into trouble with a stupid bus of tourists (they could have save the extras and maybe payed for Mike to come back...) It really exemplified to me that this was the worst period of GL, bar none...Henry and H.B. had better memorial services and at least Wheeler's dumb experiment..had some warmth and emotion to it. Poor Charita and Bert, they deserved so much better!

I'm getting close to that age..so it seems very young. Charita was playing Mama Bear to the whole town for so long we all thought she was older (and she always looked the same, from the early 70s to right before her surgery...I can imagine if she hadnt gotten sick she would have been one of the people who was unlucky to look older when they were young, but lucky to never age as they got older.

It really was the best of Marland during those years. I don't know if it was Calhoun or generally the show being kind of all over the place when Marland got there, but after Calhoun left the worst of Marland showed itself, depressing stories, stilted conversations, overly seriousness ruled the day...(I still can't believe that Lilith and Shannon's scraggily shrunken head made it in to give the show a break from conversations about "honesty in a relationship" and "What will Lily think of this!" Okay, I did spit my coffee out on that! What DID India see in that boring guy (besides it be plot dictated..) things did take a turn when Alan came back but they didn't really put them together that way...an India/Alan/Hope triangle would have been fun. Agreed, that really hurt the show and was the first nail in the coffin...I would choose Bert over Nancy as my go to grandma any day..she really was GL...sweet, funny, kinda corny, self aware, but could get all up in your face when she had it!

Too much for soaps to do at that time, but it would have been great to have Henry have a late in life coming out..."Vanessa dear...uh...Brandon and I were a bit more then just business partners...while I meant nothing more to him then what the rest of those foolish women he bedded and tossed aside, I was in love. It was destined for failure you see, but now I have met this attractive and interesting young man on a trip and its time to tell you the truth! What, you can have a "boy toy," but I cannot? Nola understood, but she does say she is the neighborhood hag, and I am not quite sure what that means!"

We could have a whole thread on this topic..However, I think that there is an in between...reading and listening to the audience (which I put in a different category then the fans) and parsing out what they want...(meaning, dumping the crazy Jeva/Manny/Mattessa's input...you know they knew who the same people writing in were.) I think they really listened to a really dumbed down portion of the audience "I could watch Pharley everyday having cute scenes, dont ever break them up" which made a dumbed down show.

The problem was when those fans dictate story decisions when they write in en masse to support a certain actor...and when that actor has them on speed dial to whip up a frenzy, as Kimmer was known to do. However, I think the real problem is that the TPTB gave into the Jevas.the Mattessas ,.the Mannys the Brad Coles. Everyone disses Gautman for saying he didnt care what the fan letters say, we needed more people like that (not that I agreed with any choices he made!)

Are you kidding, if someone posts a picture that Zimmer is even in the background...(well, okay, those are few and far between where she didn't push herself in the front and in the middle, speaking of, she would have made a great Desperate Housewives, big boozy new gal on the block..Zimmer would have given them a run for their money on getting press) she automatically says, "I love Kim and Robert..they are family and always will be..." on all the FB GL pages. And Zimmer had a whole group of these...

Okay, I brought it up, but I don't think she is "awful" though yes deluded. At first I thought she was one of those oddballs like Candace who went to all the fan stuff and was totally enamored with LW (and Cassie, only because she was played by LW) and then did not like the replacement until she started playing up to her...it was weird, these people who identify with the actors so much. However, I don't think this person has ever even met the two of them and it just seems..sad. And if there is one, there are more out there.

Lord..you have to bring back the memory of Calla and her VD! (to add insult to injury they had the nerve to foreshadow it on the same day Ed tells Mo that Bert died!) But original recipe Reva, while having some real clunkers of storylines (uh, parachuting out of a plane in a fur coat and crashing through the roof of an Amish barn?) did fit into GL..she her her issues, but was basically a good person who was insecure and kept screwing up. The saving grace of the Kyle years was her actually going out on her own and getting a job (first at Cedars then as a photographer) fixing up RevaBend, and mixing it up with other men as just friends (Fletcher, Phillip, Johnny) Zimmer had chemistry with everyone back then, and she was indeed, sexy as hell, but not a goddess on a throne. You could see her doing shots and playing pool with the guys. They forgot all that and in her second incarnation, though she had hit middle age..hard, and became the sex goddess no man could resist and she became very self involved (did we ever hear her listen to anyone else's problems besides Cassie?) And with hitting middle age hard, getting rejected by Hollywood, did something to Zimmer and made her crazy to be the face of GL and to be on..every damn day, the hell with the other actors. Rauch supporting her and TPTB listening to her nut bag fans (one of who still posts on FB constantly that Zimmer and Newman are like family to her..) combined with the terrible writing, and all the other fan bases needing to be appeased, is what destroyed GL...not the character of Reva. And RN had great chemistry with the younger actors...like JD, he changed his style and slowed down and took his time and listened to them..and got away with his "REVA...we have to save her..GRRRR" A good storyline would be Shayne having psycological issues with seeing Annie and his mom and not Reva. Annie can still pull her crap but could have actually cared about Shayne and worked with Josh to help him...later on, I think Teen Marah should have been very aggressive towards Reva for constantly disrupting their lives.

Which is b.s. we all know that JFP ran (or attempted to) the writers rooms on her shows. That is why she was so glad to get rid of Nancy Curlee ("Now we can do things MY way.") who would put up a fight. Even Curlee couldnt fight back on Maureen, that was ALL JFP.

I think this was the major issue..I don't think Nancy would have married again. Some people just don't and are satisfied with their lives that are full without a partner. Not to mention that during Marland's time at least, the entire Hughes extended family (and I count Lisa, Barbara and Betsy and Andy in that) were constantly in and out and always needed a little check from the older generation. Plus, though Marland changed her to a sweet granny, Irna's Nancy had a backbone of steel, and I can't imagine a woman like that putting up with an new man in her house and her life..(especially one with ear hair and reeked of old smoke.) If they did go that route it would've been interesting to see a little friction then this sweet old couple who looked like they have been together for years. I think a guy would have an issue with the extended family (and really the whole town) affecting their day.. Dan: "Where are you going." Nancy: "Something about Barbara and kidnapping" Dan: "She's been kidnapped AGAIN!" Nancy: "No this time she is the kidnapper...really Dan..keep up, dear!"

That is why I thought Jonathon should have been Eddie's...two psychos..(oh no..Jon was just..misuderstood..) and could reveal Reva to once again be the lying ho bag into banging brothers...(and I liked Reva..original recipe..) She just found it easier to "forget" she got drunk during a San Crud reception of boring blonde islanders and did Eds in the service pantry.....now THAT would have got me watching that. Would have given Jonathon a reason to hate Reva again (so boring when they were buds..) I was watching old episodes and Reva didn't put up with any of Dylan's crap and he wasn't half as crazy as Jon..he wore a leather jacket and said.."man" a lot was all!

I know that was the point..finding love again, but it was too soon after Chris died and well, I always thought Dan was gross...he looked like he reeked of ciggies! Anyway, it also had that negative soap connotation that you are only worthwhile as part of a couple. Okay, plus I thought Dan was gross.

Ah..GL was big competition to swimming pools that summer as we all had to run in from the pool when someone yelled out "Hey, Nola is about to get hers!" during the Nola/Kelly iconic scene. I think Kelly and Morgan worked quite a bit just because of plot..it was so much fun to watch Nola scheme and plot and the lies people bought..Kelly and Morgan were just two dupes. I wish they had brought JWS back for a one or two day quest stint (maybe the Bauer BBQ) during Nola's second go around...but that would have taken a lot of work, and McTrash remembering history. "You dodged a bullet, Morgan is a toothless meth head....poor dear!" Speaking of, it would have been fun, if they insisted on Nola being a wronged bitter woman, to have her revert to form and be hell on wheels, a divorce with Chamberlin cash, instead of needling Van, outright fighting her, finding out about Ed and Lillian and making them pay, taking Dinah's side against Van to bug her...."There there, Aunt Nola understands, your mother is just guilty over dumping you as a baby to grow up with carny folk..we really must try to understand her." Anything would have been better then the mope who had Budgie's Chele tell her off in a room full of people! When Reva first came to town and Billy HATED her, the whole thing was infused with Billy wanting to bang Reva again. The whole southern potboiler plot of two brothers and a dad wanting to jump on Reva...(and Zimmer was sex on a STICK back then) was great with sexual tension. Then when they became friends and post resurrection...Zimmer and Clark just had a warm chemistry...her face lit up when he was in a scene and Reva became kind of her old self..for a moment or two. Newman and Zimmer do have chemistry, it's just that it got old and worn out as again, the fans wouldn't let Jeva go. I thought Newman had great chemistry with FH when they were testing them..and Zimmer needed an acting partner that did not let her get away with her little "cheats" as she called it. While I grew to like ME as Dylan...Reva and Billy's kid should not have been that mellow and more of a (not so annoying) Jonathon type.

I know..they just seem to be such odd fish together...this woman who writes off the cuff of her sleave and this tightly controlled closet case...(was he out to the industry?)

That is my favorite Fridays...it knows it is cheesy and goes with it...I never thought about her being Morgan! Kelly/Morgan was a fantasy for young girls, no matter how plain you are, you can snag the handsome older guy..and its all "romance," but no sexual heat...but after the wedding there is no place to go with them. I thought it was a weird pairing...this palid, boring girl (did she even a personality) paired with an obviously gay muscle boy...it looked like a marriage of convenience. I always wanted Nola on her second round to ask Amanda "Hows...Moorgaaan" to hear her spit that name out one more time. Amanda....."Well, she has gained weight and lives in a trailer...." as Nola has a satisfied grin on her face.

Agreed, but I will say his best role was on GL...(though the writing was terrible, it was just overnight Blake was hot for Ben...)It was a bit weird that wussy Craig who was about to cry if his latest girlfriend didn't spend every waking moment with him, the man who was obsessed with a pre teen and teenagers (Lily) volatile and annoying emotions, became basically a sarcastic prick..but.

I'm just thinking about Long and Marland being friends...or at least friendly. I did see them on a talk show and Marland was very complimentary and vice versa to her. But such different writers and I wonder did he ever ask her, "Uh, Reva Shayne over Nola Reardon, and what did you do to the Bauers and the reset of my creations..Vanessa is a dowdy housewife?"

Pam Long said in an interview that he had Monty's pic on the bottom of the toilet and she said, "Douglas, you need to let some things go!" She also said he would serve dinner in a velvet dinner jacket but would grab a rifle to shoot it off his patio..so DM was more interesting then we thought!

Recasting Ed was definitely a Marland decision,...excuse me for this but he was acting like a pissy queen calling the previous actor "fat" because supposedly he dissed Marland's writing.

I think they were chemistry testing him with Fulton during the scam time, (they also tested her and Nick which might have been interesting) and when they had them flirting it was after the trial during the strike material so they didn't know what to do with either of them. Originally the plan was for Lisa to come back to town involved with Brian McColl, not his dad..so I wonder if they were going to do a son/Lisa/father triangle which would have been interesting...without the Whit the Wig actor. Fulton wanted a relationship with Cal (who I thought was sexy) but they said no, so when he was murdered she wanted to wear a veil and cry to indicate that there was a thing off screen but they wouldn't let her. Oh boy, your starting something now...lol..I actually like Block as Craig and thought he was sexy..(I never liked whiney Craig Bryce but I know that's sacrilege here...) but can understand he got annoying after a while in that he ALWAYS won ( agree on Finn Carter..ugghhhh.) I wish soaps had done that more often..had people grow apart...on GL there was no reason to have Quint have an affair and have bitter mopey Nola around..all Nola had to say was she was tired of going on digs, being dirty, being away from her family and life with Quint wasn't as glam as she thought it would be ("Try taking a shower with cold water and scorpion...it isn't a movie.") or when Harley and Mallet broke up...they just drifted apart. But these shows build these dumb super couples up so much they can't have real relationship problems..

The credits weren't right as the Dobson's were writing and Bartholemue was exec. The rumor I heard was that Munker was fired as she was instigating issues between the two..tho I have no idea how Shultz who seemed so..morose all the time was popular. Odd storyline for the summer...a young person dying and everyone sad..for about two days, then Babs is having a masked ball, Annie is getting married to scuzzy Brad and no one mentions Melinda again. The scary thing is, after the Dobsons left and they went through headwaiters and a strike they tried to pair Lisa and Brad...EEEWWWW...Michael Shea would be better!

Exactly!!! You wouldn't need an Aunt Meta...(not that I didn't love MS) but you would have buttinsky Aunt Nola getting into everyone's business!

Wow this is good! This is an umbrella storyline that works...Bauers Chamberlains, Lewis, Reardons and Marlers all having a legitimate stake in this. If only Nola were back to take up Bridgets side. Then of course, it's the Buzz Cooper fill in that takes the momentum out. I always thought Ross and Vanessa should have been end goal. If only Matt and Blake had been the ones to screw.