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What umbrella storyline was it? Haha..THAT is funny and the total vibe those two gave...which is fine, that is normal and if they transitioned them to recurring tentpoles or let them have midlife crisis affairs..but no, they were acting like their great LOVE was still there and others were attracted to those two.. (I have to admit, I think I am the only one who found Hemsly sexier in his middle age..he gave off that sense of solid grounded dad that had a live wire side waiting when you got alone...(well, besides his hair...they never knew how to do it...)Lily, no..she looked like the former princess who got a bigger butt, was uptight, but still insisted to be treated like she was at 19 (she reminds me of the Pioneer Woman cooking host..) I could agree with Rose living...I think I would want to get a reunion of the dorm ATWT watchers together so we could finally relish the death of Lily..someething we wanted 20 years before...if it was on her birthday, were everyone in town was made to stand around and worship her, but instead witnesses her eating a poisioned cake( hopefull made by that cow Mama Snyder who left the batter out too long) all the better!!!

Kelly and Morgan were as bland and sexless as two characters could be, and luckily Marland saw JWS as something more then a speedo model when he cast him as Doug Cummings (Marland had a penchant for weird names..Cummings, "Rod" the rapist..) and a nice move..everyone expects his character to be a boring good guy and he is a crazed murderer and Ship did great. Oh yes...Marland's characters tend to be sanctimonious..even doing things they berate others for. Everyone's favorite crumudgeon John Dixon is giving Lucinda lectures on "honesty" and for manipulating people..that John deserved to be stuck with dull ass Iva!

Maybe, but I think it may have been more of a reversal kind of thing, where you would expect the dad, especially someone like Holden, to be against it while the Mom supported it (I always though on GL, Reva could go either way, be the most obnoxious PFLAG mom ever "Okay, boys, where are we going clubbing tonight??? What you dont want me to go??") or to be freaked out that she might have made him that way. I think JH had a calm, cool dad vibe about him, so I can see them having him be more accepting with high strung Lily freaking out (whatever she bitched about with Lucinda, Lily was secretly hung up on appearances.)

According to someone on Datalounge, Marland had a foot fetish..which cracks me up to think uptight, waspy Marland fondling Kelly and Holden's feet. I am sure total fabrication but funny just the same!

I think Marland had a fondness for the actor more then the charcacter, who was as bland and sexless as possible...(which is weird considering they had him in Speedos, even having coffee with Bert.."Dear, it is a bit early to be confronted with your package when I havent had my first cup."

Agreed on Poser..she was unlike anything on GL, or really soaps at that time..( I can't even imagine her in white bread Oakdale.) I thought she could do it all, comedy, camp, vamp, bitchiness, and could show the real person hiding under all that. She disappeared under Rauch as she was, not Reva or Cassie, not blond, not "generically soap attractive" Annie had the villainess thing all tied up (endlessly, I was glad to see her go, thinking that Reva's airtime would diminish..ha!!!) The writing under McTavish was just her being her, mean spirited jokes (I remember Alex complaining that all the drains in her house were clogged because of Amanda, which WAS kind of funny.) Your point about all the men not noticing her..and that was another problem with McTavish writing..maybe all soap writing at the time, everyone was a cardboard good or bad, so Ross couldn't seriously be tempted by Amanda, Matt had to be totally in LURVE with Vanessa ( I remember him blackmailing her to stay away from Ross, uh, Matt, its not of your business, Ross is in charge of his d*ck not you) and Roj was just using her. The point about her being Brandon's daughter was Rauch's idea to consolidate Alex and Amanda..it made no sense and it was weird to hear Alan bitching about "his sister" like he did with Alex, it did not work. There was a bit of history, as Lucille thought she was Brandon's daugthter (and he left her Spaulding in his will for some reason.) They could have written for her after Zaz..with RR being SO ineffectual as Alan, they could have had him busy holding Annie's purse as he did, while Phillip and Amanda run Spaulding, both trying to up each other. I have no idea why they just saddled Phillip with a triangle story, did anyone ever to to work at Spaulding to run it?

Thanks for that info! So Amanda had a "Zest for life" back in the day! I only remember her being stuck in an attic talking to dolls and then just fading into the woodwork. Agreed, they could have kept everything about Poser's Amanda, including aggressively coming on to Ross, and dump the madam thing. I would have had her be up for sex with Roger, but not trusting him at all and certainly not in love with him...( he was like the male Reva, every woman was crazy for him.) so much so, Rog is turned on and kinda freaked out by this sexually aggressive woman.

I think Munisteri, or maybe it was Anderson, TRIED to restore some of the elements that needed to work, but just did not have the chops to do so. They bring back another Reardon, but its Chelsea, they bring back Bea (who dispears again as soon as Long is in charge) they try to expand the Bauers...(with a fauxBauer Johnny)They bring back Josh and GA as Phillip..but its good intentions, but done in a weird sloppy way.

I LURVED Poser's Amanda, but others don't. Yes, she was 15 years younger then when she left, and radically different, but wishy washy Kathleen Cullen bored me to tears. Poser looked like she was having fun, which has been in short supply on this show and really, something needed to break both Bloss and Mattessa up..the problem was, again, the writing and the storyline. If they had explained why Amanda is this new vamp personality...(I would have said she got screwed over so many times by guys, she said, Im looking out my myself, and in an ode to Marland, I would have her say she went to "Therapy and got in touch with my sexuality!" Making her the Malibu Madam was dumb and they could have just had she and Matt be lovers and Matt was a kept guy who scammed rich women.

Probably????LOL..Shirley Temple would have batted her ass of her set for trying to grand stand her in the cuteness area! "GRAND-DAD!!!! What did you bring a sweet pudding pie like me..or I shouldn't ask, but DADEE, I'm a little rascal!" "Oh are ALL our wishes, hopes and DREAMS going to be answered right HERE..daddee? On this weird carrousel in our living room????" "Oh Mommie Annie, I LUVS you SOOOO!" "Oh Mommy Reva, I luvs you but I do luvs Mommie Annie, can you go and marry that greasy midge on 5th street so I can be EVER so HAPPY with Daddy and Mommie??That's right, go live over that diner or wherever poors live and pretty pwease...can you make sure you wears clean clothes that don't stinky poo like grease....and use the back entrance so none of my fweinds know your my other mommie! Oh, and bring a bag of tatter tots when you come? Gosh, thanks EVER so MUCH!" Not to mention her constant running away when it would be a major pain in the ass for the adults to look for her. The only time I liked her,,,theatrics, was when she saw Reva alive for the first time and only wanted Annie...Zimmer was actually playing it down cause the kid ate all the scenery!!! Thank you for reminding me how much I couldn't stand this precious little ole Marah! LOL.

I agree...and I have to say, I agree with them recasting Chele a bit older...I could not see RM in a soap romance...I had a hard enough time when she was in that movie where the kids killed someone in Florida and she was naked all the time..I spent the whole time yelling "Michelle Bauer you go put some clothes on!" that my partner came down and said, "Who the HELL is Michelle Bauer?" I think that shows that RM did a great job as Chelle, and again I HATE kids on shows..Aunt Clara or Mrs. Trumble need to be watching them off camera. However, Budig was a miscast..she was way too chirpy and happy (not to mention they wrote Chelle with nothing but "boys" on her mind.) Too bad they didnt jump to someone like Lenz right away. I would have explained that she spent that time with her Aunt Nola and came back with a different tude then shy Chele...(I would have written that Dinah spent time with Nola and Quint so she came back different, with a definate tude towards Van encourged by Nola.) Eh, I dont want to watch two kids I saw grow up bang each other....recast!

Oh God..yes, I HATE most "kids" on soaps and want them SORASed quickly. The exception was Rachel Minor as Chele and the kid Little Billy..both seemed like real kids..not this annoying toothsome creature auditioning for the lead in Annie. Now, I am remember "MommyAnnie" and "LOWHAD" !!! No, thats my fanwank...Gilly/Sid/Vicky Spaulding Triangle.Vicky does come back later but she is dull as hell (she wanst blond so what does Rauch want to do with her?) Instead of NuAmanda they could have brought Vicky on then...say she was dishinerited by Victoria for some reason so Alan brings her back to get her revenge on Alex and Victoria.

She wasnt...they wanted Zaz for an Alan recast, he said it would be weird as the two characters were constantly in each others' orbits, so he suggested bringing back Roger. Long had no idea who Roger was (oh..Pam!!!) and Curlee pushed for it and pushed to make Blake, Cristina. Holly was supposed to come back to intro the idea that she was Blake at Christmas, and Long thought she was sexy so brought her back (to one of my fave entry lines, she goes to the Spaulding mansion to get Blake and says, "This is not a home...this is BEIRUT!") Yea, it was weird. I thought the Amanda is Brandon's story had legs...she fits in nowhere, Alan and Alex hate her...Alan and Alex are back to being antogonistic...Alan walks away from Spaulding pivots towards Annie, and Phillip should be pissed at Alan as Alex was as usual, trying to protect him in a Spaulding way..and he is bound and determined to not let Amanda and Roger get their way holds the fort, putting him in a Alan frame of mind..instead of sitting around doing nothing until he moons over Harley. Since the Zaz thing was happening, I would have him steal all of Amanda's money, leaving her poor and desperate...tons of ways to spin it instead of rewriting history for nothing. Alan needed a person to bounce his evil schemes off of, I would have made Sid like a young Ross, willing to play whomever is going to get him ahead...Gilly is turned on but resists and then Vicky Spaulding comes. God, anything but the incest story for Gilly. Sid is Alan's attorney and Gilly's love interest for a short time. Marah was played by IMO the annoying toothy actress who made your teeth hurt with her "Im a child STAR:" ways , but she went on to do other things.

I didn't get that, I saw Maeve say all the Dinah's were so different from each other that they changed the writing. The rumor was that Maeve did NOT like Moniz...and that was part of the reason she went to slightly recurring in 95...( Moniz had supposedly backstage problems with screwing Hart, etc.) I would put it somewhere in between, Maeve probably like Moniz well enough but was fed up with the writing where Van had to take the punches of the writing..and most likely annoyed with Moniz unprofessionalism...) I personally liked the writing for Gina's version of Dinah, despite the weakness of the overall writing and I think Gina played Dinah less fragile and more like a girl raised in the carney. I thought the quote was, "We all know how this will end." meaning , there is no mystery in it...(as if there was mystery in the clone, etc.) None of the ladies seemed to like Rauchie, so I would love to have had Kimmer on that episode.

As others said, all of those actors have done fairly well away from GL..so Brown had something to do with it. I just wish they had kept her on recurring as Nola at Company...(and never let Company and the BH get stunk up with Coopers..) while she did that. You could get away with Beth withdrawing and becoming colder, if the rest of the characters mentioned it...(Van only did once, and they painter her as the old hag jealous. ) I can see Beth chaging after Phillip leaves her and she has the abusive relationship with Carl, but they jumped around so often, bitch, vixen, heroine, victim...it made no sense. A Beth with alters....(I can see her having an alter kill professor Blackburn to protect "Beth") would have made sense and explain some of the craziness, and Chamberine would have done great with that...but Loralee never made sense...Sloane always sites that as a dumb plot..."She has the same mole my daughter has...I wouldn't know she was the same..." ) and it all went over the top during of course, Wheeler when Beth kidnaps Alan and Gus and beats them with a table leg..(not that I wasn't rooting her on) and Alan thinks it Loreli but it is just Beth...who leaves them to die with no repercussions. I thought Chamberlin would have made a good Amanda recast..a cold, icy one with a streak of sexuality. I would think the new soap would bring her back as an icy matriarch.

I remember that Marah it was Lindsay McCeon who people called "porn Marah" I actually liked her (realizing her limits as an actress) as she seemed more introverted and just generally annoyed by Reva ( I hated when they wanted that heavier girl to act like Reva Jr.) It was Taggert who let Marah jump down Reva's throat when she was in prison, and Marah got to say "Once again, your not around so someone else has to take care of your responsibilities.") Reva would have had much better more realistic drama if it centered on her screwed up kids and her futile efforts to be the kind of mom the wanted (but then Kimmer wouldn't be the center of the story so she would much rather be cloned, or travel through paintings.) That scene between Van and Blake would have been GREAT! "Oh NO she DIDN"T!" Van should have always been at Spaulding...( I would have Spaulding take over Lewis and never mention it again and we never see that ugly Lewis Oil office.)

In the Locher Room when they mentioned him Krista Ferrell (who had no f*cks to give, called Kimmer out for being mean to her at first) goes..."Oh..Larkin Malloy," and made a face and Zimmer laughed apprently in agreement that he could be a pain. This was in response to Terrell whatshiface saying that when he came on Malloy came up to him and said, "Don't even THINK about pissing on my leg as I am the leading man," or something. Kyle was just a skeevy character, the bastard kid of a prostitute who black mailed Roxie into sleeping with him and led his niece on before she kneshe was his niece. Malloy always seemed unhappy and his stylized acting didnt really work on GL. But lots of peole think he and Kimmer had chemistry.

I never got how Reva and Josh's kids acted like they were a Brady. Reva gone for so long and their parents split up constantly and Josh marrying the psycho plot line of the month..much less that Shayne would have considered Annie his mom and what happened... But Rauchie saw Reva as a soccer Mom who every man had to worship so I had use for the Lewis family post resurrection. I don't remember Van and Blake..but I would have LOVED for Blake to have slept with Matt instead of with Rick, and then having his bun in the oven....open the door to Van and Ross who should have been the matriarch/partriarch of the town.

So true... I could see Reva walking around in her slightly outlandish clothes (never got how Rauch dressed her like a boring soccer mom) and hats and butting into her kids lives...I can't believe they never did a social climbing daughter in law vs. Reva. I liked Sally vs. Vanessa and of course they couldn't do much with that as it was Reva, Reva, Reva...but I thought Sally would be intimidated and jealous of Van, and Van would look down on Sally, while trying to act like she doesn't. Other fueds: Nola vs. Van (others have mentioned but I love them stuck together as family, and that they both love Henry..) not out right feeding in their later years, but always ready to bug the crap out of the other one.. Lisa vs. Ellen This is a subtle feud, that was always low key. Lisa slept with Ellens' step daddy and broke up her Mom's marriage which led her back to the bottle. Writers forgot it, but Marland always had Ellen and Lisa sniping at each other like real people who don't like each other ("Lisa, I never COULD read your handwriting") India and any other woman but boring Maeve..."Good afternoon, Blaine!" and "Oh Mindy, you always have had such an *interesting* shade of blonde!")

She did return for Phillip's funeral when Liv was with Bill, they got into a tussle of some sort and she called Liv a "bitch" which was fun. Krista sold it as an older Mindy who could be fierce....but yes, she could not have done the Roger story and going up against BevAlex...she could not have held her own and Alex would have looked even more of a monster. I did like Krista and MOL's nice friendly chemistry, they did seem like a nice normal suburban couple, no fiery chemistry but it wasn't needed, they should have brought her back for him years before. Josh before RN left the first time was obsessive and their relationship was almost as toxic as Roger and Holly, and they were hot. The whole point of the fountain is that Josh just sees Reva as a sex toy, something to be won, and Reva is tired of it, (though she can't let go either.) When he came back Josh was indeed a typical clueless soap guy and Long started writing them as "always" unironically..which made them boring. Actually, Reva post all the Lewis men wanting to f*ck her and strangle her became a bit more boring...but nothing like Post Resurrection. I hate how they painted Annie as crazy and EVIL when Jeva drove her over the edge...Long would have called that out, but we were stuck with super couple Jeva, the righteous, I thought Derwin was sex on a stick but get the Mallet annoyance. I did think he and Simms had chemistry more than he and Ehlers....but Simms had chemistry with everyone.

I can understand people like MG etc who voiced their opinion at work, and didnt make a lot of waves publicly as that is their job on the line (especially for the vet actors, older, working in a dying industry) and we see how vindictive they were. I can even understand Kimmer not coming out in the press and knocking Raunch and the MADD cow...but a line or two about supporting Michael and what is happening is terrible, etc. She had more power then anyone on the show (stupidly they thought she was their cash cow) and she didn't hesitate to go behind the scenes and whisper into the soap press ears things about behind the scenes actions to keep her in their good graces...(most notorious is talking about Marj being fired and how she was so upset and worried as "how was she going to get a job at that age" )but nothing about Zaz?

I am not sure, I just remember an interview..most likely Soap Opera Digest when I was waiting in line at Jewel. Totally, there is no way I would have Alan involved with Reva again, besides using her as a pawn, and the old Reva who went off the bridge, would be using him right back to land on her feet..instead of...what we got..Alan obsessed with Reva and tearing down the wretched 5th Street, and Reva crying over Marah wanting Annie "Mommy" and marrying Scuzz Ha..yes, all of a sudden this straight shooter has NOTHING to say? She is busy pimping out her latest story but can't yack about that? I always wanted to like Zimmer but that made me really see her in a new light.

I think people did..it was just cut short with RN leaving. I liked them as a short term thing for him getting over Reva...(why or why can't soap characters simply date or have a short term relationship without it immediatley going to marriage or fans call them a "supercouple") The problem was, as Curlee said, Harley was busy hobbling around in Reva's high heels, and it flirted with her becoming Reva Jr. (which Wheeler/Kreizman totally remade her into...EVERY man was in love with her..etc.) I also liked how they flirted with Jenna/Josh before Fiona left the first time.

I will always love Fiona for that...while bigger stars...( I think we know who I mean) knew what side their bread was buttered on and kept their usual big trap shut so they could continue to gobble up screen time.

Lisa and Melissa look so much alike that I wish they had brought Lee Lawson back even for a one shot, as they look like a real family. Frankie D is the only actor to thank McTavish, this dumb cop thing kept him on screen for years when better actors were written off. I can see Frank as a cop, but when they made him detective and poor Frankie tried to put off an authoritarian vibe..I just can't. I remember one scene where Alex opens a door, Frank is there, and she just slams it in his face. That's how it was back in the day...if you watched ATWT after Margo's rape they spent months talking about if or if not Margo was going to be "HIV positive" It was a possible death sentance and that is why this storyline was very controversial... I didn't think so as it used a soap convention (switched test results) to get some points across.