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The kill bill plot has definitely made Hayley more interesting. However, she was playing the long game before and she had the added benefit that Bill knows how to lay the pipe (according to her), so I'm not sure why she's in a rush to end Bill so quickly. It's sloppy and risky and considering her history I would think she would be smarter than this. Second the post on living for Hayley not standing Caroline. It actually came across really funny, because their relationship appeared genuine in the few scenes they had together. Tomas really, really needs to be recast. His line delivery was so dry that it took away from any fun this could have delivered. I thought the June scenes with her kids were actually good.

Me trying to detect the lies, but there are none. The writing has been fine. What makes BTG a standout for me is the casting. We have characters that have been relegated to the background or smaller roles on soaps from the start of the genre and they are finally brought to the forefront. Besides the more offensive (and we all know who they are), there are some quality performers like TMG and AM that bring it alongside the more seasoned actors. The representation of queer characters is also refreshing, but it kind of stops there. None of these stories feel modern. They feel like soap cliches taken and repurposed for the diverse characters of BTG. Now, a good story is a good story and we don't need to reinvent the wheel, but we can blend the tried and true with modern storytelling. The gay couple have been placed in a bubble to represent a very heteronormative expression of gay love, which is fine and nice to see but why add grown kids to such a young couple. These characters could have been open to so much more as young professionals getting their start in DC instead of a boring, married couple. They kinda boring yall, sorry to say. Speaking of grown kids, the character ages are so wild on this show and it isn't helped by casting choices like Samantha and Peaches. And this isn't to rub anyone here the wrong way, I am enjoying BTG but I had way too high expectations for it and it is middling at best. It is fine. It serves a purpose and I watch because there is some enjoyment, but I wouldn't say I have been wow'd or in love with any stories yet. The lack of sets isn't something that can be helped because budgets are tight, but it is also a major sore spot on this show. It also can explain why a lot of action has been talked about instead of actually seen. I am still holding out that Doug isn't dead because we never saw the body and he was somehow in the know of Joey's plot and he is coming back for revenge. Otherwise what a lame way to kill off Doug.

Personally, I find this shift in character a bit strange. While the idea of Hayley having used Bill all along and being this vixen that manipulates men and then drains their bank accounts is interesting, it doesn't feel natural. Sure Hayley's pouting about not being accepted at the CC could have been part of her game, but it didn't feel that way. Also, am I confused or did they switch up the whole timeline on when Hayley came into the picture?

I'm thinking this is what eventually gives Hayley away. Maybe she actually poisons Bill at some point, but it doesn't work and Naomi calls back to this moment and how Hayley's baking was not it's usual standard and how strange she was acting.

Not a fan of today's episode. There were too many monents that felt forced or off. June telling Jacob he would be a good dad out of the blue for example. I get they are pushing Jacob vs Naomi on the idea of wanting kids, but couldn't June have walked in on a moment when Jacob gives Samantha some advice and this prompts her "good dad" comment. Most hospitals do next day if not same day results on hCG tests. Why was Ashley acting like this was going to take week(s)? Hayley was also so extra with that cupcake. Like girl, are you trying to draw attention to yourself as you plan to poison the man.

Unpopular opinion, but I am not seeing the amazing acting some of y'all are getting from the actor playing Donnell. He is alright, but he comes across as a novice to me, but not in a bad way like AA. He also keeps doing this thing with his tongue where he presses it against or glides it across the inside of his bottom lip. I noticed him to it several times the first day and he continues doing it. It's giving Sean Freeman sighing vibes. I'm honestly so confused as to where most of these stories are going. It feels a bit clunky and aimless, but I might be wrong. I hope with whatever behind the scenes changes took place, it helps. Martin was talking to Smitty like they were some old married couple...our hair is thinner and more gray, but we are more in love than ever? Didn't help that both MM and BC have full heads of hair, but ok then. I think Dani and Nicole are great together. We need to have them do more than just sit around and talk about their failed marriages.

Watching Chelsea and Tomas in the same scene highlighted how much RR has come from the premiere and AA is still giving us absolutely nothing. They can switch him out with AI at this point.

Agree with all this. Since the kidnapping, I have also felt a bit bored. I don't care for Martin and Smitty's kids or June. Samantha wanting a relationship with June is a bit stale. Besides Smitty's internal dilemma, there are no reprecussions. The whole June being birth mother reveal was a weak plot point to begin with. I did enjoy the Smitty and Martin scenes, but I just don't care for the overall story if that makes sense. The Leslie/Ted/Nicole stuff seems pointless because up until recently they made it seem like Nicole was done done with Ted. I honestly couldn't care less if Nicole and Ted got back together, because I sense very little chem between the two. Dani needs a better Andre to play against. I know some aren't the biggest fans of KM or Dani, but she has done a great job on this soap IMO.

Tomas really needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut. It's bad enough he is sharing all of Kat's business (i.e. losing her virginity, sexual disconnect), but it's even worse since he barely knows Eva like that and Eva and Kat have a horrible relationship. Interesting that he never runs back to Kat to tell Eva's business like when Eva wanted his help with the inheritance letter. The wedding could have been fun, but it wasn't. Many scenes fall flat on this soap because you have a stronger actor attempting to prop up a much weaker one. I've said it 100 times but Freeman's acting is not it. The facial expressions and sighing just piss me off. I'm mildly interested in the outcome for Doug in this storyline, but I'm similarly curious as to how Randy is fearful of Joey knowing his whereabouts and at the same time using Orphey Gene's as his office. I thought Anita and Nicole scenes were good. I don't understand why Anita is so black and white with Ted as if her own family hasn't had some questionable moments. Sleeping with Leslie again I get, but before that I would think she would be more supportive when Nicole was showing doubts about divorcing Ted.

To add to the June part, she seemed to have left on good terms with her sister the last we saw. Considering she seems to be trying to turn her life around, I thought it was weird that she said she was back at the shelter. I would think her sister would let her stay with her while she got her life together. I know every family is different and clealry there was a lot of history between them, but it just seemed like an odd choice.

Jan should have been the Dupree housekeeper. It would have better connected Ashley to the canvas and explained why she knows Andre or at least recognizes him. It also would have given Leslie a stronger motive for her friendship with Jan, because she knew she could get info on the Duprees through her. I couldn't finish today's episode. I am way too tired and I knew it would be difficult to watch daily once I started work up again. But I need to say this, what in the hell was wrong with Nicole's blouse. It looked awful. It's like some inexperienced person tried to alter it and stitched it in the most awkward place. I couldn't stop staring at it. Then Mama June popping out in her early Alicia Keys headscarf. It all felt too weird.

I also thought the actress playing Allison has done a good job giving us soap crazy, but while RonniRose has improved she really struggled through a lot of the kidnapping material for Chelsea. I will say she is handling the aftermath better. As for the opinions of this board, I think they are divided but I will say from my observation most feel the opposite that the actresses for Allison failed in her delivery and Chelsea rose to it or has come a long way. As for Tomas, I don't think I have seen anyone here or on any other platform say the actor is doing well. Doesn't help that the actresses playing Kat and Eva are the strongest of the young set. Yeah, they carry AA bad acting at times, but other times it further emphasizes how much work he needs.

Are we getting a new set next week or did I just fail to recognize one of sets in the promo? It seems like Andre and Dani are having drinks somewhere that doesn't look like Uptown, the CC, or one of their homes.

Andre tells Dani he ran into Ashley. So he's just casually roaming the hospital. I thought the documentary was over. This man needs a life or something else to do with his time.

Andre: You've inspired me. You've inspired me to look outside of myself and consider the needs of others. You make me want to a better person, Ashley Morgan. Ashley: You have completely changed my perspective on life. These two barely know [!@#$%^&*] all about each other and have had the most surface level interactions - mostly consisting of blowing hot air up each other's asses. Like what the hell even is this. Can we please stop making "Golden Nurse" happen.

Just watched today's episode: The whole betting thing was weird, especially the fact Bill initiated it. Bill, if anyone, should know what Ted feels being apart of the Dupree family while not a Dupree. I am glad Ted read him down. Agree to the Chelsea/Madison scene sounding like a PSA. I think the idea for this storyline is great - the whole toxic/dangerous parasocial relationships we have with "famous" influencers on social media, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

I was looking for this comment. I didn't feel bad for Ted at all. Yes, the Duprees are insufferable in their holier than thou act, but Ted did one good deed and sudeenly he runs to get the Dupree's approval. Did Ted think the family was going to tell Nicole to take him back just for that? He created this whole mess to begin with. The man didn't even have the decency to show up or send his sympathies while his niece was missing, but he had the audacity to show face in the aftermath not to support the family but to make sure they knew what he did. One good act doesn't dismiss an affair and love child. It's like we saw glimmers of old Ted when he played with Lesile, but he reverted right back to a little punk when he ran to the Duprees like a giddy school boy. Also, very confused by Eva. Yes, Leslie is her mama, but she knew that Leslie wanted that house just because it was across the street from the Duprees. I agree that Leslie should be able to live where she wants without anyone gatekeeping, but girl!!!! this is not that. Was what Ted did mean? Yeah. But Leslie is crazy. Eva herself hates the way that she upended Ted and Nicole's lives. Not that the Duprees and Bill are good people, but Leslie isn't suddenly a saint because someone played in her face like she does so well. I thought Eva was smarter than that.

I, on the other hand, am fine with never seeing Allison again. Unless, it's like one last surprise attack and she's gone thereafter. I actually felt the same way about the writing for Leslie when she locked Eva out the house and discarded her as if she were nothing. It felt so cruel and ugly. Then, they played it off as Leslie doing it because she wanted to ensure that Ted gave her what she was owed. However, the writing for Leslie does give a bit of whiplash, are we supposed to believe she is a flawed, wounded person who is acting on all this hurt or is she just cray. Doesn't help that we first learn of her driving Laura off the road tho. Yes, it was all a bit ridiculous. Someone giving away their assets in the middle of a divorce seems illogical to most people. However, it did give us some good Ted energy today. I was like where has this Ted been?

Tbf, I would not have thought that promos are spoilers. They were such a regular part of TV viewing not too long ago and you were bound to see it if watching live - that I never considered them as such. I guess now with streaming, it might be looked at that way. Likewise, I don't think janea meant any harm, was just informing that those posts should be left out of this thread.

Feels like it belongs in a Disney live action movie.

I kinda don't hate this idea. Jacob is so by the book that it would be interesting if his brother was more a bad boy and obviously Jacob seems protective of Kat so that would play into it.

Ugh. Don't remind me of Chelsea's cringe flirting tactics. It was a mix of ick and poor acting that made those scenes so uncomfortable. They were trying to make Chelsea some vixen and it wasn't coming across. I also said to myself this feels like Passions at one point while watching this week. I think this is in part due to the story being underdeveloped. Many beats were not played or rushed completely. In a previous post, I mentioned how insane the reveal that Alison was never married to Craig and that she hired him just to lure Chelsea would have been if this story had enough time to stew. I feel like this story could have easily ran a year and a half with everything that happened but was rushed. I also know that BTG is probably testing and working out pacing. They are launching a soap in a very different landscape. I think because of the rush, this story feels a bit cartoonish and lacking the gravity needed to make it feel intense. It's not bad, but it could have been better. As for Ted. I don't think his actual plan is to move Leslie into his home. If it is then that is complete character assassination, because Ted can't possibly be this stupid. He already has a forgotten son (practically) and he wants to get rid of their mother from her home (their childhood home) to put in the woman that upended their lives? I doubt this man has this little sense. However, whatever his plan is, we know it is going to piss Nicole off either way and only push his behind further from getting her back.

Part of me wishes they would drop it. Leslie has been so entertaining being messy this week and I think that would have been enough. They didn't need to make Leslie an attempted murderer. I wonder if they didn't realize how popular the character would be and these early choices were done with the thought Leslie would exit the canvas early on or was this always the plan? Dani and Bill have so much chemistry. Heck, Bill and Nicole had great chemistry. I do think there are several things being put into play for a Dani and Bill reconciliation. -Hayley's fake miscarriage. -We have the whole Randy/Sammy situation and Dani wondering if they've met before. I agree with whoever mentioned a few weeks back that the reveal might occur during November sweeps. -Hayley's jealous/worried glance at Bill and Dani finding comfort in each other. -Bill feeling guilty that he hasn't been present for Chelsea and insinuating that his affair only further strained that relationship. I wonder if Martin's secret will play into the miscarriage reveal as in Hayley using it in some way.

Finally caught up on yesterday and today's episodes. It was supposed to be my last week watching live but things happen. I know Kat isn't , but I would not be spending the night in the same place my friend just got kidnapped from even if the likelihood of something happening there again is very low. I would just feel so uneasy and anxious. The grandparents have more than enough rooms and Kat could have said I came back this morning to clean up. If Ted offering Leslie the home is not a con, Ted is an idiot. I don't think he would be this stupid. I think this Chelsea story would have been so strong had they waited to developed the background more fully. The idea that Alison hired a male escort to lure Chelsea based on her assumption she was only into men was smart. I loved seeing Chelsea realize that Craig wasn't Alison's husband. Obviously that would have stretched this story out a very long time if they played it that way, and it seems like they are trying to write at a quicker pace.

If they preempt for Thanksgiving and Christmas and there are no other interruptions or changes, that means Dec. 31st will be episode 204. I don't recall if the Friday after Thanksgiving is usually preempted or a repeat. I haven't watched a soap this regularly in a long time.