Vee
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On the next Talking Dead and possibly the only one I will ever bother watching: Danai Gurira.
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I honestly don't think TWD gives a [!@#$%^&*] about fanbases; if they did, we'd have seasons of possibly-asexual molestation victim Daryl being an utterly different character and overtly agonizing over two women onscreen. They're renewed from now til the actual zombie apocalypse at this point, they don't have to care, and GOT also has a much bigger blank check. I think there's a lot of primetime and cable we can potentially apply the cancerous soap audience-to-brass signal to noise ratio thinking you're talking about to, but I just don't think those two shows are a part of that. And I don't think their social media presences can be taken as part of the active production of the shows, either - that's a whole different wing. I actually felt Arya was considerably downplayed last year, as was Tyrion in a lot of ways - he was a sideline to a lot of Daenerys' story and is left in her wake with the rest at the end of the season. I understood why they wanted to consolidate the stories WRT Winterfell/Ramsay Snow, but I don't think either a. raping her, b. raping, torturing and mutilating her, or c. nothing at all were the only options. I agree with you about some of the rapes and sexual violence that's been added to the show, which is why I agree it's overused at this point. And while I think they had the right idea folding Sansa's story back into Winterfell and Ramsay and consolidating it into one resembling one from the books, I don't think they needed to add that specific incident. I think it was a mistake, but I don't think it was done for titillation or exploitation. And I don't think Sansa's empowerment is all about her rape - I think it began before then and continued after, which is why it didn't need to happen at all. But I don't think the only way they can or should be allowed to do some of these things is to do it utterly horribly or not at all.
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The difference is that I think Sansa is one of their favorites, particularly in the last two years. But I also don't think the show is nearly as driven by fanbases as you do. I think they acknowledge them but they don't write for them, any more than TWD really does. I don't agree with the fantasy excuse - this is a world GRRM created which has always, always had this low fantasy world heavily steeped in the horrors of brutal medieval societies. We see people gutted, ravaged, families wiped out, etc. and no one has an issue with that, but when it comes time to deal with sexual violence some people seem to want to fall back on "it has dragons and fantastical elements so this other stuff shouldn't happen". My take is that they either can choose to want the show and its content to be infantilized or not. (I don't think you feel this way, but I think the bounce between the two extremes comes up a lot online.) Do I think there's been too much rape, probably, and I don't think Sansa's was necessary. But I also understand how it happened and I don't think it was exploitation, or shot or written as such. I think they made a narrative and perhaps stylistic choice you didn't agree with, and a narrative one I didn't agree with. I understand their reasoning though, and I don't think it's not genuine or hypocritical. YMMV.
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You're right, I'm clearly the one taking it to the nth degree here, calling them "sick people." Riddle me this: Isn't it remotely possible that he genuinely feels as he says, even though we both agree the scene was unnecessary? Isn't it remotely possible it's simply down to a difference of opinion?
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Romance usually doesn't seriously cross my mind on this show or most dramas of this sort. Richonne is an exception. I remember doing a double take during that scene in the prison in late Season 3 at how easy they were with each other - I think Carl said the same thing.
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Yes, you're right as always. They're bullshitting because they got off on making a young woman they've known since she was 13 or 14 play out a rape scene.
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From EW: Bryan Cogman and Maisie Williams discuss the Sansa rape scene from last season at length on the new commentary tracks. (Sophie Turner was filming X-Men) I see both sides of the issue and it's obvious Cogman is very disturbed by the way it was perceived. I didn't think it was exploitative and I understand why it's what would often happen in such a scenario, but I did think it was unnecessary to add to Sansa's then-unceasing misery.
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Mark Frost's upcoming tie-in book is now available for pre-order on Amazon. Set to release on October 18, it will apparently feature "over 100 illustrations and photographs" and will run 304 pages according to a publisher press release. Kyle MacLachlan talks to Indiewire about his many projects, including TP:
Bill takes another L.
Another question: If Michonne is the replacement for Comic Andrea, will she also have some interim romance a la Rick and Jessie? IIRC Andrea in the comics had a fling with someone before finally getting with Rick. I think it may happen here. Like Jessie I am not sweating it, but I hope it's a little less forced. That being said, Michonne could use a roll in the hay.
EW and the dead. Some of 'em, anyway. Madison Lintz (Sophia) Kyla Kenedy (Mika) Jeryl Prescott (Jacqui) Brighton Sharbino (Lizzie) Chad L. Coleman (Tyreese) Tyler James Williams (Noah) David Morrissey (The Governor) Emily Kinney (Beth) IronE Singleton (T-Dog) Lawrence Gilliard Jr. (Bob) Robin Lord Taylor ([Dead Terminus Guy] Sam) They'll be interviewed by the site on Friday.
I'd probably be more worried about their spreading the wealth if the shoot isn't shaping up to run for eight or nine months, and adding up to anywhere between 12-18 episodes at least. A great many folks from the original series are back with their own storylines, particularly Dana Ashbrook and Mädchen Amick as Bobby and Shelly. I remember Carl fretting about DA last year, and now it looks like Dana potentially has one of the largest roles of the existing non-Sheriff's Department townsfolk. What little we now know is there is a portion of the story set in Vegas, but I'm pretty sure that leads back to Twin Peaks. I welcome the interlude, since that kind of larger scale was introduced in FWWM (Deer Meadow, the FBI offices in Philadelphia, etc. - and Buenos Aires in the deleted scenes).
Oy. I can't believe I called Andrea "Laurie" above. Never mind.
Sam was the one I really liked. I hoped he'd persevere. Alas!
Andrew Lincoln talks to Forbes.
That was also the thought at the time on Mo, yes. I thought Bransford's Carly had some of the harder and somewhat irrational edge of Sarah Brown's, hence that infamous barfight scene with Kelly Monaco where they really look like they're tearing each other apart. (Monaco said years later she was baffled because JB was allegedly actually hitting her.) But overall I don't think she was right for the role at all. It was JFP slipping another FOJ moment in where she could under the yoke of Frons and Guza, like when the writers' strike hit a few years later and suddenly Jill was left behind to write frontburner stories about Rick Hearst and a pretty immigrant woman.
I mean, yes, the audience was pretty thrilled to see Jessie and co. gone, but her and her family's deaths are almost verbatim from the comics. This is the same arc she follows there which is why I was never very concerned about her, and the showrunners and actress have made it clear this was always her planned fate onscreen regardless of reaction. I just wish they hadn't shoehorned the little romance subplot from the comics in, I felt they rushed it. TWD is renewed til nuclear winter at this point - they don't have to bother with audience approval.
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