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Cross-posted: Cain went maskless at Trump's last public rally, and had claimed COVID-19 was a hoax. Nonetheless, I always enjoyed his outsized character back in the halcyon days of 2012. RIP.

Cain went maskless at Trump's last public rally, and had claimed COVID-19 was a hoax. Nonetheless, I always enjoyed his outsized character back in the halcyon days of 2012. RIP.

She did a great job AFAIC. But I liked a lot of her early work at DAYS too. I blame Corday for what happened there. I assumed FJ came back because Agnes was involved in 2013, and was always fond of her. A lot of that show IMO followed the old Agnes playbook.

They actually tried this?? Morrow had to veto it?? Nobody thought it through????

Oh no?? I didn't watch AW. I watched Reilly's DAYS (and BTW, it had bad dialogue too before he left the first time). I watched the first months of Passions. I remember. It was that bad from jump.

Reilly's writing was misogynistic, bigoted and IMO he was clearly self-loathing. But people pretend they don't see it because he wrote some fun stories 25 years ago.

The dude took time out of his big career now to praise Zimmer and Ron Raines. I'm not going to give him [!@#$%^&*].

Poor guy. CBS has enabled so many alpha male dicks in their pursuit of endless procedurals and seems intent on keeping them all for as long as possible.

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During their confrontation, Lucinda scoffs at the idea that Lily's adoption secret could've had anything to do with Martin's suicide - she blames it on McColl as though it's an entirely separate issue. I thought she came on blaming Whit McColl for ruining his business. It's Iva who suggests to her Martin could've had another reason. But you'd know better than me.

So I'm still having a blissful time bingeing '86, but uhhh, this was a lot! The fakeout on making people think Shannon is Lucinda’s phantom caller is pretty obvious - Ron Carlivati was doing only slightly less subtle ones a few years ago. I like to think I’d have guessed it was Iva, but I dunno as AFAIK there’s very little textual hints whatsoever that I know of beforehand that Lily was not Lucinda’s? At least not in the most of the three months I've seen. Just hints visually and in the blocking with Iva, Lily and Lucinda, or in her bonding with the Snyders. They do smack you in the face with it when Lily says the Snyders are like a real family to her, and Iva is literally tucking Lily into bed, but even then I don’t recall any discussion of Lily being adopted. I wonder if I’d have pieced the secret together from context clues but who knows, esp since they were just coming off the Sierra reveal. I feel privileged to finally get to see this - just watched the Friday cliffhanger where Lucinda walks into the bar to meet her tormentor. They've begun introducing a crop of new men like Casey Peretti, and I understand the Snyders I'm unfamiliar with like Seth come next. I wonder if they seriously intended Casey for Frannie, or Iva for Steve. They also namedrop Emily running away here, preparing us presumably for the great Melanie Smith.

They clearly intended to re-pair Ehlers and Goldin. Her character, Taylor Thompson, was brought onto AMC with great fanfare specifically for him as Jake Martin. Problem was AMC fans didn't respond to a forced pairing from another show, and the throwaway pairing of Jake and Chrishell Stause's Amanda became unexpectedly popular. Ehlers also made herself unsympathetic IRL by dissing the surprisingly charismatic military veteran hired to play a romantic spoiler for her and Jake; even "Brot" was more popular than her on the show. The show dumped her on Tad, then off without an exit.

Same. It is a wonderful, rich rolling history lesson and I am in no hurry for them to resume production of the current show, which lacks all of the very, very specific and unique identity and character I see in the Y&R of the past, whether it's in the 70s, 80s or 90s (or even some of the 2000s). It always felt very different from my ABC soaps whenever I glimpsed it as a kid, and now I know why: It was a singular vision and style. I knew that before, but seeing it daily is a much deeper understanding. It's fascinating to watch and experience. Can anyone point to anything in 2020 Y&R that doesn't feel like a weak, generic knockoff of an ABC soap in its lesser years?

It did, which is why I highlighted the interviewer and not MW. I still don't understand what the hell Joe Lando's weird short run was about. More info is welcome.

The streets are piled high with dead or forgotten LGBTQ talent from those years.

He had drama at every show he's ever been at, including Andromeda. I think a lot of that was due to Kevin Sorbo though. From what I remember of his press Cobb tends to fluctuate between looking down on soaps even when he was on them to making very good points on certain issues at times. I'd still have him on a show.

Piggybacking off a conversation with @Darn: It is insane to me that Y&R squandered Keith Hamilton Cobb, no matter how difficult he could be IRL. (He was right about Noah and Julia's wedding on AMC tho.) I hadn't seen him in years til I caught a retro Y&R episode on CBS All Access today and goddamn. He had chemistry with everyone IIRC from watching in the past, especially Stafford. Unrelated: Like Cobb on AMC, it’s worth discussing too that Kamar de los Reyes was a similar system shock when he came onto OLTL as Antonio. I haven’t seen his intro since I was a kid but I do remember that he was presented raw as hell. He had that voice, he was glowering at poor Carlotta and she seemed absolutely miserable and terrified about him. He was scary. But they knew what they were doing, and they pivoted from that to making him a three dimensional character and sexy romantic lead to their audience. I was obsessed with him and Andy within the year. I’d never seen a Latino man like that on daytime before and I don’t think I have since - including Antonio, whose second run was terrible on many levels. Another mistake with Antonio: When he left the show with Andy he was going into law school. That’s a versatile role for a character that had been all intense emotions and gave him a new thing to play; I remember I thought it was interesting even back then. But when he came back he was just a cop. It was a lead of color moved out of a IMO more complex professional/power player role. But that’s just me.

Do you really think word doesn't get around in this industry?

I just think David Canary is a fundamentally different type than a George Reinholt. I don't get it. But I didn't see Canary's days in TV westerns; maybe he could do it. The only person who could've done it cold was David Selby, but he was still big in primetime in the 80s.

It is great, thanks. And relevant to more than one thread.

I am no big Reagan fan and have no illusions about these people and how they'll turn if we win, but the ad the Republican Voters Against Trump cut juxtaposing his "shining city on the hill" speech with footage of 2020 was one of the best and most brutal political ads I've ever seen.

Marcy seemed to have a very clear, unsparing view of why her GL run failed with no patience for niceties. We could use her candor today, unfortunately she's a fundie now. Barbara Crampton is a goddess mostly known for her brilliant work in genre film these days, where she's having a huge career resurgence these last ten years. But she was a genre legend in the 80s too, before and during her soap years. I don't know why she didn't work on GL but any show that could fumble her versatility and extreme engagement is beyond me. That woman can play anything.

ABC's latest "Trump pivot?" article is ratioed into oblivion already and the piece may not last the day. But here's some background on its author: