YRfan23

Your welcome! I do have something extra special to post soon, that I think we will all like!

7/5/93

6/25/93 6/28/93

multi-dimensional villains are a thing in the past, which is why I'm sure by Feb Sweeps Dr.Sandy will be carted to the loony bin while Victor does his horrible smirking, cause you know he will get in this mess somehow and be the one to expose her (while at the same time doing horrible things any normal person would wind up in prison for)

It's been years all I can say......even someone like Tom Fisher is probably better then most of them today (and he kind of is by watching your 05 episodes) What's been missing, and probably will never resurface is the amount of psychological tension and build up each of Y&R's villains bought....we followed them all through their journey to madness and watch them reach their breaking points (David and shooting Danny, Cricket and Nina at the ball, Sheila holding Lauren hostage, and Michael breaking through the wall) while enjoying all the beats made in the process of their stories ....

I think on July 7th 1993....so Billy would only be 22, haha... like I said Jilll went into labor during the end of the July 4th 93 episode I will post soon, but unfortunately I don't have the episode where she gives birth to Billy...

Your welcome!! I always liked Nina better before she was even in Ryan/Victoria's orbit.....she became so desperate just to please him (much like Steffy on B&B today with Liam IMO) while he constantly played her and Victoria.....I'm glad over the years they matured (something that doesn't happen anymore on this show sadly) but it's still a shame Ryan died....I could never see Scott Reeves fit in on the current canvas of Y&R for some reason though....Chuck Pratt would just make him Ryan's evil twin obsessed over Victoria.... Jill is always a lot of fun in these shows which is why sadly the more Jess Walton stays away the better.....Jill must have met Sheila at some point to do the same martini thing she did with John.....(minus the drug of course LOL) but yes this is when Jill gets pregnant with Billy though at first it seems like it didn't work cause John had gotten a vasectomy the next day, but luckily Jill got pregnant before he got it done...I have the July 5,1993 show to post soon that has the annual Abbot July 4th Pool Party where Jill goes into labor after she gets into a fight with Kay...LOL so fun to watch.... everything about these Sheila scenes is always a sad reminder how Y&R and any soap just doesn't do villains like this anymore....those confrontation scenes with Lauren and Sheila are very powerful (even if I agree it's stupid Lauren didn't recognize the voice, LOL) we will never get scenes like that again!

I might be able to get the rest of those episodes at some point as they are between March 12-23, 93 which are available. These Ones from February I just got are the very beginning of all that (or at least the one Michael was in) and I do have the dates already right in between where Michael attempts to breakthrough only to be stopped by bricks, lol. I love how most of these episodes feature both Michael and Sheila doing their various evil schemes in the same episodes, it really would have been a force to be reckon with had those 2 became a couple, but it also sadly shows we will never get that same amount of compelling villains the show had at one time. 6/15/1993 aka the funeral for the guy who really should have killed Victor

The first 5 mins of that episode are on the farmhouse DVDs I have...yeah I really want the full episode of that too...it is the same episode where Sheila calls Eric at the diner, as well as The same show Cricket knees Michael in the balls lol.

Yeah a lot of their stuff has long been deleted, but I'm glad I managed to repost some of the stuff so far as full episodes....I meant to get Jan 13, 93 where Sheila turns her picture into the puzzle, but I held off only cause that episode apparently had some scenes missing, and I rather get the full show when it becomes available.... I had Oct 2-Oct 7 91 in my files too from other sources, but I think they are still on my old computer....I have been redownloading even my own youtube videos onto my computer.... Here's 2/23/93 (notice the very weird time jump between the episode before and this one, I really wonder sometimes what the editors were thinking....)

No Problem! most of the Sheila/Lauren scenes in these episodes were already on youtube uploaded by Aliehslive, Bpkalamazoo, etc....but I always love getting to see the full episodes, haha! thanks for 5/16/90! it's funny as I just brought up the scene of Sheila treating Lauren for the miscarriage on another post, haha. I still can't say for sure if this is Sheila's actual first appearance or not, but it's still pretty close regardless....hopefully soon the next set of May 1990 episodes (May 10-15,1990) that follow the recentish ones I posted last summer will surface, so we can find out for sure...

2/22/93

An early Christmas gift, here is a couple new 1993 episodes! January 12, 1993 (sound is a little muffled the first segment) February 19,1993

I think M/L's wedding was the last big Colonnade Room event the show did...

While I agree that Michael Damien's days at Y&R are done (except for guest stints) I wish the show had a "Danny" like character now that started his own rock band....I honestly thought if they were seriously gonna keep Fen around he would be the show's new Danny, probably cause Max Ehrich is in a band in real life....but I guess it's just too expensive to have that type of story now (not that I would wanna see it with Pratt...)

For me I have to take retrospective approach because even though it sounds bad looking back, at the time I actually had enjoyed some of that. Like for an example at the time I was a Phyllis fan and gleefully smirked over the Daniel/Danny neglect revelation as I was less than enthused with the Danny/Christine reunion at the time. I smirked when Grace Turner turned out to be Cameron's lover and co-conspirator. I felt Katherine falling off the wagon was due to reaching a mental breaking point from the stress of trying forge something with Jill and it was actually a nice throwback to have Katherine have flashbacks of her and Phillip and then dream of Rex and Phillip III. John dumping Gina for Van Ark's trashy Gloria was hilarious. However some of the other stuff which you mentioned Dee was indeed completely forgettable(Olivia even got engaged to Wes!) and even I had a forgot about some of that stuff. I could have bought a real Kevin redemption story, but they botched it really bad. Heck I forget about that orchid story, it feels like Damon Porter was never a character on the show now. I liked Damon, but then his own story went down with the stupid stuff about having to rescue his ex-wife or something? Ask me about the Cameron story and I think the only thing I can say about that story would "oh yeah that's when Nikki and Sharon were in the sewers". But yes 2004 did certainly unravel into a trainwreck and somehow Lynne, John Silva, and Mamie all exited stage left. Well I think Lynne moved in her with her mother in Chicago but it was all without any fanfare. Didn't Braeden almost at one point leave for a bit in the fall of 2004? I remember right after taking his complaints to the soap press Victor was gone for a month to seek out Victoria to convince her to return. I don't know much about Damon but he's one of those characters that probably was suppose to do more, but ended up getting wasted as usual.....I know he worked at Jabot, and had brief flings or whatever with HT Victoria and Phyllis, but that's about all I know. It's still funny that Linden Ashby who played Cameron has a major supporting role on one of my favorite shows, "Teen Wolf" on MTV...........I have always thought for some weird reason the last couple years that several actors on that show, might have been good SORAised characters for the missing children on campus... It's really sad all those side characters were banished and never to be seen again as I think it would still be possible to tie them all to the canvas......especially Rafe being related to John Silva...maybe even Miguel...

I thought he only punched Brad once during the LML era? I know Brad tried to attack him a couple times over the years with little success..watching him punch Neil in prison probably pissed off the most though and you would think Neil would have been able to strike back.... I sometimes wonder if Victor's best years were before Bergman was cast, though the writing was still good then, there's no denying the Victor/Jack dynamic was more rounded when Lester was still around... haha I forgot about Victor/Genevieve, I still throw up in my mouth when I think about that one scene of Maura West stripping down in front of Victor a few years ago....

ugh.....It really does seem like Braeden is the HW of his own stories.....:( I don't get The MTS thing as both her and Braeden proved to be popular with different pairings....so why would he get all upset about that? unless he really felt he was in danger of being thrown in the backburner.... The family dynamic thing is also ridiculous as it's basically saying that they will never truly break free of Victor, as again realistically after everything Victor has done they should be DONE with him... no wonder he has "great things" to say about the show now....I think this is truly Braeden's vision of Victor and the writers are just caving in....

I may be off base, but it's kind of sad how the writer's have to change gears just because a certain actor who's use to getting his way, bashes the show to the press....and this is a terrible example to use but I can't believe no one at the helm had more of a Claire Labine or Wendy Riche approach with Braeden as when Tony Geary complained one or the other just said he could LEAVE if they don't like it.....you would think someone at Y&R would just tell him the same (though I guess he's just that hard to stick up to in real life then he is as Victor) Was he at least ok with getting punched by Jerry Douglas?.....I could probably handle Victor better if other characters were at lease allowed to slap or punch him more today Ill admit....but that will probably never happen again, which is sad cause realistically that's what would happen....Bill Bell even allowed Cole to punch Victor circa 1994... I suppose if Katherine were still alive she would be the only one allowed to slap Victor, though towards the end she overlooked every single thing Victor did especially to Billy etc... so today probably wouldn't be too much different with the Marco/Paragon mess...

That does sound really stupid on paper, even if I would have to see most of it myself... I still wonder if the reason the Victor story turned out they way it did was because of Braeden's bitching as he admitted that he wasn't gonna let Jack Smith take Victor down......though I guess they way they wrote it was more unbelievable compared to some sort of a Victor "redemption" arc, which I guess they were gonna have to do anyway... I actually am shocked there isn't that much of Joan Van Ark's Gloria on youtube..

I liked that they at least tried to make Victor suffer a little that year too....even if for whatever reason the initial consequences that Victor should have face faded away the end of that year....(Braeden having a fit?) I would have to see more of 05 before Cassie's death, but i guess it helps that Victor didn't really eat the show as much as he does now either...at least it seems that way...I sometimes wonder if CBS/SONY feels like they have to be that invested on Braeden that they allowed the countless other regimes to turn Victor into the monster he has become..(with Braeden's increasingly laziness coming to play more and more) I personally feel like the show could go on without him which is funny considering if things didn't work out 6 years ago, we wouldn't even be in this position about how horrible Victor is (though he still was back then) I always said if I can praise Maria for one thing is occasionally reusing the old scores, but that's all I will say...

Not a problem at all Yeah, I'm pretty sure their affair coincides with Lauren and Michael's wedding. This was definitely a month to remember, between the affair, Lauren and Sheila trapped in the bomb shelter, John shooting Tom Fisher, etc. The Lauren and Michael wedding was re-aired so many times so it will be nice to see the episodes that build up to it...LOL (I'm still stuck in September 2005)

Deeedee when do you feel was Victor's last solid year as a character./...meaning he still acted like himself and didn't become the mean horrible old fart he is now....He doesn't seem that bad even in the 2005 shows.

The Lisa Rinna part was amusing....didn't she and Kristian Alfonso somehow get RKK off the show? Eileen was classy not to name names...yet I did read once she at first had a rocky relationship with Braeden when they first did Victor and Ashley....he wanted her to play Ashley more "passive aggressive" and she didn't agree with that choice... I personally find Eileen a lot more likable then Lisa but that's just me...

Thanks! hey DRW50, would it be ok if you posted the Synopses section from that digest?