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Again, I don't know much about HP at all. Before this incident I never heard anything bad about her and she seemed well liked. Frank can hold a grudge and be angry and upset and probably won't re-hire her and that's understandable. I don't think it's impossible to think a new regime may hire her down the road. Listen, HP's life and career isn't a cause I care deeply about. I have no idea if this is an isolated incident and she feels remorse and has more clarity now that she is supposedly sober or if she is going to just make more bad decisions. She's young and this can go several ways for her. I just don't think she necessarily will be condemned to never working again for the rest of her life because of it. That's it. I am truly not advocating for Halley or condoning any of her behavior.

It seemed to be a source of confusion in several places, so I made the same assumptions lol. I think some of the wording in the scenes may have been slightly confusing because they were talking about Tracy's wedding dress as well, but the dress they took out of the box at the end of the show was Lois's dress. I don't care about Molly at all and don't mind the new one that much. I just don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Haley Pullos will come back down the road. If she completes her sentence and gets help I just don't understand why she wouldn't get a chance in a few (or several) years. She made a horrible mistake, but people do make mistakes and learn from them. There are many other soap stars that privately and publicly have struggled and gotten hired and re-hired over and over. But then again, Haley Pullos may be a nightmare and awful to work with and GH is glad to be rid of her lol.

Unlike Stone, who originally called Karen Carrie too, Sonny just never decided to use her given name because he's a jerk. Even when they met on PC again I am pretty sure he still called her "Carrie", but they also made peace and I do believe Sonny apologized and she accepted. So Jagger can be mad, but Karen herself had gotten over it.

Exactly. I was just all ready to rant and rave because "how dare the show?" and watched and felt stupid lol.

It was her stripper name and the name Sonny always called her unfortunately. I think it's actually spelled Carrie, but I just spelled it Cari as a shout out.

True. I am often guilty of that as well.

I was going to trigger warn the clip, but the Sonny/karen scene was so brief and they don't pop up again. I got a little ill when Sonny mentioned Karen's birthday the other day and called her "Cari" to Jagger. 🤮 Way to remind us you are a creep. Also, Sonny knew Karen for a few months I doubt he knows her birthday. Especially since it seems both Jagger and Sonny forgot Brenda exists. What does a girl need to do to get a Brenda mention these days?🥲 Not a whole conversation or anything just one tiny mention to give my heart hope.

The way Jane Elliot speaks about Lila never fails to get me misty eyed. There is such depth of emotion there even in just a few sentences. I meant to say this a few days ago, but I also don't understand why some people on here and social media were confused about Lois/Lila's dress. Brooklyn's dress she tried on was just some random (ugly, unflattering) dress, Lois described her own dress accurately, Brooklyn looked at a picture of it on her phone, and she opens a box Tracy gives her at the end showing Lois/Lila's dress. Brook never tried on Lila's dress. I saw the SM posts before I watched the episode and thought the show was being lazy, but the show was very clear about the dresses and the scenes were quite nice. So basically I am saying I totally shouldn't speak before watching the show lol.

They are really well written. I knew they grew up without parents, but their parents just abandoned them all? Not that there would be a valid reason, but I don't think we ever got any reason why both parents just left and never came looking for them. It makes Stone's life that much more tragic.

I knew he wasn't great, but some of his early stuff is really rough. I am a bit sad he left acting because his ability to grow so quickly implies a ton of talent. And they really nailed the Jagger/Stone casting-they look so much a like. Nikki Cox, not so much lol.

I couldn't find the Sonny scene I was looking for, but I did find some scenes where Jagger and Stone first see one another. And Jagger calls Stone "Mike" and Stone calls John-Jagger, so Jagger had his nickname for a long time. He doesn't say why he goes by Stone, but just says he goes by Stone now. Also......Michael Sutton really grew as in actor in his time on GH. He's pretty green here. I am also curious how Jagger, who isn't more than 2 or 3 years older than Stone would be able to raise his two siblings by himself.

If I can find the scene I will post it in the Classic thread. I can't remember who Sonny was even talking to about it. I think it might have been Lily or Luke. I think the show probably needed a cute story about how Sonny came upon a random teenage ward. It's Sonny. He probably thinks that is the coolest nickname ever invented next to his own.

One would hope lol. I don't know if the show ever explained why he was called Jagger, but I am immediately going with this now. The only reason I remember the Stone explanation is because it was pretty lengthy.

Yeah, Sonny said there were too many Michaels and had an aversion to the name because of his dad. He gave Stone the name Stone because he reminded him of a rolling stone going from place to place. This is after Stone stole Sonny's boombox and Sonny tracked him down and took him in. Because he was literally a homeless teenager. I have no idea how Jagger got his nickname. Probably from his group of friends that tried to rob Kelly's when he first appeared. The Cates siblings were split up pretty young and didn't give one another the cool nicknames.

I haven't even tried the you tube links yet. It's a shame because you can buy Night shift 1 on Amazon, but season 2 is a ghost. Agreed about any other dark hunk for Jagger. I cringe every time he says I go by John now. Like, bro, you named you own kid Stone. Last I checked that was a silly nickname Sonny gave your brother.

The hospital one is the only shot that makes some sense. Wendy and Tripp look they are being held hostage in a quaint European village and John and Marlena's penthouse looks like a cheap apartment complex in Century City.

Yeah, I really don't think we know enough about Stone's diagnosis to say. Nightshift is on you tube so I might check it out again, but it will also probably just make me curse the Jagger we have now.

Fair enough. I still think this is an attempt to give Steve a story more than John to be honest though. Steve needs more to do than to find Tripp from his 50th kidnapping and talk to Stephanie about her love life. John really doesn't appear enough to necessitate a big story.

Okay, that makes sense to me. Wouldn't it have been difficult to fit Steve in though without the Victor connection?

The military thing is probably what throws me the most if Dex was Stone. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, but I think it might be insulting to backpedal on the autism so much. But I am no expert and don't want to speak about things I don't really know much about. If we had to make Dex Jagger's son I would probably just make him some long lost son he didn't know about or something. I am not advocating more story for Dex to be clear though! Yup! And no one will be sad about it. Well, the one thing I can say about CM is he does manage to find work all the time.

It's so silly because like @j swiftpointed out John did so many things before he came to Salem and he wasn't really very old when he appeared. You can only fit so much backstory in. It reminds me of GH when they told us Sam had been married like 5! times before she came to Port Charles and Sam was about 25 when she showed up.

I know. I just can't really think of anyone else to pair Joss with and we know she has to have a love interest.

Thanks! You explained that really well. So John wouldn't really have a timeline where he would have been in Greece with Victor?

I could let it slide, but Jagger made a big old deal about Leo and comparing him to his autistic son. He did say he was doing well and living on his own, but I don't know if that means two tours in the war good lol. It doesn't mean it can't happen, but if I recall Stone's autism as a child was fairly severe. I really don't know enough about autism to know if it's realistic to manage it as an adult as well as it appears Dex has. I tend to agree. The only reason I think Dex might stick around longer is because of Joss.

Yes. Steve and Victor both had good relationships with John and have for years. It's really difficult for me to imagine these men watching John struggle with his past and just not telling him anything. Especially Steve! I do get a bit confused with the timeline of when Stefano had John and when Victor got him. Victor was also never the one doing the brainwashing on John, so I don't know where the goofy playing card comes in.