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See, I think the only reason Sonny/Carly were kept apart so long in the 2000's is because Jax was a much better, more viable option. Unless the show goes full steam with Carly/Jason I don't see Carly or Sonny having much else to do with who's currently on screen. Even if Carly/Jagger works I just don't see AH's Jagger as someone who's on the show long-term. I don't want Sonny/Carly to be endgame, but I have made my peace with it. I don't think anyone including LW and MB love the idea and there are a lot of variables here like LW or MB leaving, getting VM back, a new pairing that sparks more interest, etc. I would love to be wrong about this though.

I like that idea. I feel like this show tends to pit Carly against woman that she'd probably get along with if the weren't sleeping with Sonny/Jason. I am not advocating Nina/Carly as bffs, but they have more in common than her and Olivia.

I mean, I know Sonny/Nina have some fans and it isn't the worst Sonny pairing, but did ever think it was an endgame pairing? Yeah, the story has barely started. I am just not a fan of the idea. Execution is key here.

Don't Brook Lynn and Liz dislike one another? Going way back to the Adrianne Leon days because of Nik? I can't even recall any AS and BH scenes, but I am sure they exist.

At this point in time, I am not sure anyone can bring in massive ratings on GH. Even proven ratings winners like KMC and Vanessa. They might get initial boosts, but the show has to be good. And it really hasn't been for years. The sole focus on Carly, Jason, Sonny has been a detriment to the show, but I still believe they are popular and familiar to people. I just think the show hasn't done a great job building up the "next" generation of leads. If they aren't the focus then who's next? Liz? Dante? Sam? Perhaps because the show always feels like it's on borrowed time or just laziness. There is no reason to kill of female leads like Emily and Georgie, keeping Lulu and Lucky off canvas, poor casting for people like Willow and Michael, and poor writing/pairings for Maxie/Brook Lynn. There are some positives. Recasting Kristina with Kate Mansi and making the teens more individual helps, but the show has a long way to go.

BB definitely played Everett/Bobby different today. Maybe someone actually finally told him where this story was going lol. It's a drastic shift in the way he was playing the character before. I think he's the villain in this, but I also am a bit concerned it might be DID too. Because.......Ron. I was a bit confused as I was doing something else while watching. Are Wendy and Tripp just visiting Hong Kong or moving there? And, hey, at least there is some movement in the who killed Li story. I get that Rafe is mad at Ava, but he really did her dirty too with the Nicole situation. I wish he wasn't so smug in scenes with her.

Idk, I can see some logic in 'redeeming' Heather, but I feel like at this point the character is pretty far gone. It feels more like a Days of Our Lives story than a GH one.

At this point, I can't believe any audience member can invest in Sonny's love life. I know Sonny/Nina have a few intense, vocal fans, but even the most clueless viewers couldn't possibly think that marriage was going to last. The energy and screentime for that could have been focused elsewhere. I do admit I find some of the hospital stories quite dull and while Patrick/Robin put focus on the hospital again some of their stories were dreadful. Blog Wars? Robin's hunt for sperm? Bleh. I am not saying the focus shouldn't be on the hospital, but I don't find Heather's poison hip story very compelling if that's any indication of where PM/EK are going.

Yes. I think Sonny needs to settle down and take on a more mature role. Sonny still acts as recklessly as he did in his 20's. I think the show would be wise to stick with a pairing for him and move away from his love life. I believe @Vee once suggested that Sonny marries Brenda and Vanessa could appear as often as she wanted or even have her living part time in Rome to explain her absence just to settle his romantic life once and for all. I'd be fine with him marrying Carly and sticking with it too. There just really isn't anything terribly interesting about Sonny's revolving romantic life. I agree the truth about Sonny/MB lies somewhere in between and most offline viewers still watching GH tolerate whatever is thrown at them.

I think it would be wise to transition Sonny into a more supporting role. His character has run it's course honestly. We keep seeing the same stories for Sonny-betrayal by a women, mob threats, breakdowns, etc. I don't think it would be a great move to get rid of MB all together. I remember hearing somewhere that Sonny is extremely popular with the average viewer and the online consensus of his character isn't the general opinion of the audience. It was a long time ago and I have no idea if it's still true but it's always stuck in my head. I honestly don't know a single person in my real life that watches GH these days so I have no way to poll anyone lol.

Thanks! The last appearance thus far for my Brenda! Also probably the best scene of the entire return. It made no real sense with the story but when you can just feel the illogical longing and love it still gets me. Also 11 years ago makes me feel old. They used to have a spoiler section with drops that I appreciated. But when you looked at the actual daily threads both Kemo and BH had affairs with Steve and the Kemo one went south but Becky was his true love. It was so exhausting to scroll and scroll with all the Liason 4 ever emoji tags that I just gave up on the entire board. Anytime a mildly insightful point came up the spam just increased for non related pairings.

Daytime Dish is still a thing? I remember about 10 years ago they had some decent insiders, but you had to work through 3000 pages of Jason shipper stans to get through it and it basically scared anyone with info off. The days when everyone was convinced BH's first son was conceived by Steve through an illicit affair when the child literally looks like her husband's clone lol. Wild times!

I mean, she looked great and it was a cute outfit, but in all interest of Nicole trying to reign Holly in for bad behavior, I can't see any mother being okay with that outfit. It's just a minor thing and wardrobe often lacks to make sense. But also Tate and Holly are just re-starting the school year in late April, also makes 0 sense for them to complete the year lol. With Tate being pulled out of boarding school and in rehab and Holly being in a coma for months that seems implausible.

It's been awhile since I have been in high school clearly, but how can Holly wear half a top to class? Nicole was okay with that outfit? Her entire stomach was showing. You'd immediately get sent to the office and have to wear your gym shirt if you showed up to school like that and I just went to a regular public high school in this century lol. Maybe times have changed. I like Sophia so far, but I hate when the sidekick is played as the slightly dumb one like Mimi and that's how she felt in this episode. Oh, Eric. He thinks Sloan has a gambling addiction. Lol. Shopping addiction, substance abuse, an affair, and honestly blackmail are places I would go first before even considering GAMBLING! I honestly can see why Sloan thinking she doctored the numbers and Eric wouldn't notice. And, seriously, at the end of the day, is it that bad Sloan tried to help Eric get a job? He isn't making money. While I might be a bit peeved my significant other called a friend on my behalf the intentions aren't bad. And, uh, is Alex making reference to Dickens work with his Konstantin reference? He knows that and expects Theresa to know that too? Like, neither of seem that well read. And Theresa there's a gym practically in your living room so it's funny she's going to an actual gym.

Works for me. I want Willow to do something, anything interesting . Lois was actually defending Nina, IMO. Not shaming Brenda, but saying something about Nina/Sonny must be different. And in a good way in regards to Nina/Sonny. But it was back in December or something so I don't fault Lois. I have noticed chemistry between Drew and Willow for awhile and a mother/daughter triangle sounds fun. I just really hate all the players involved. I think Katelyn MacMullen has anti-chemistry with CD and I think the Michael romance actually bores her as an actress. I am in no way defending KMM, but I think she might be slightly more capable than just mooning over Michael and corralling her annoying children.

I have a hard time believing Carson or JaSam will ever be off the table permanently. Sonny/Nina? Probably. But this show has shifted back to Carly/Sonny and Jason/Sam so many times after I thought they were done I would never say it's forever. For now? Yeah, but those two pairings have been default for so long I would never say never on them.

I have to agree about the whole radiation story. They made a weekly promo about it and Deidre Hall gasped, "Paulina's radioactive" in the most dramatic way and everyone's healthy, Chanel was missing for an hour or two and got a sprained ankle, and it's all fine and good. Even Julie being there at the cabin was weird. She served no real purpose. The entire thing could have been done without her. The most pointless plot point ever and that's saying a lot on Days. @j swiftI am pretty sure Ava was only the manager of the Bistro. She didn't own any part of it.

Lois did to Sonny, but it was in a more "you hated Brenda when she betrayed you, but don't seem to hate Nina so you two most be soulmates" kind of way. I don't count that lol. It does seem like the era where the music business seemed viable and cool in a way that it could easily be portrayed on screen has long passed, but the show acts like newspapers and magazines are still big business so I'd buy it. I am also here for Willow/Drew. They have had something weird I can't pinpoint for months. Let's just go for broke and do a Willow/Nina/Drew love triangle.

Obviously, I haven't seen it yet, but it would seem more normal to just refer to Brenda by name as the Face of Deception in the 90's instead of her best friend just because Maxie would naturally know this information and what their relationship was, but whatever lol. Yeah, I have no problem with Lois working for Deception, but she seems quite fulfilled with her career. I'd rather her and Brook Lynn figure out something in the music business they can do together.

I feel like Hannah was barely used and halfway out the door long before she actually left. With C level pairings with Taggert and AJ. I doubt she would have been used as well. She was one of those characters that seemed doomed from inception and it seems like LV was hired for her looks more than her experience. Yay! A Brenda mention? Even in the most vague way and a possible sign Lois and Brenda might still be bff? I can't catch it till later, but I assume it will make me happy. Thanks for the heads up. I feel like it's been years since Brenda was mentioned by name.

I think Britt also was making a claim of ownership on the necklace and was fighting Cody on it. After she died I guess that claim didn't matter. I really don't remember what happened to the necklace after Victor was killed either. I *think* he might have had an attack of conscience and just dropped the whole thing because I don't think Cody has a legitimate claim if he's not Leo's son. Not positive though. Someone who was paying more attention than me might know better.

Cody has pretty much always stated he was Dominique's son. He pretended to be Dominique and her husband Leopold Taub's child for inheritance. He wanted to inherit a necklace and I actually don't know how that ended. I think Holly/Robert did something with said necklace, so I don't think there is any inheritance. Anyhow, Cody found out Mac was his father but didn't want to burden him or something. The Dominique/Mac timeline does not support this at all, but I believe Cody's endgame is to re-buy the Bell's mansion/estate in the end. As far as Sasha I don't think she's ethically grey and mostly boring, but Cody did a hell of a lot to protect her from Gladys and her evil shrink so I think she felt she just owed him one.

I certainly don't envy the cast upheaval at the time. Mo and Vanessa were quoted in magazines saying they were leaving together and a few weeks later Vanessa was back in for another year. That had to derail a lot of plans. Not to mention Genie's extension of her maternity leave. They also had other minor to moderate issues (Kristina Wagner not coming to terms immediately, Miranda and recast Gina Cates flopping, KMC's college schedule, Rena's ins and outs, having to figure out something for Jane Elliot and Tracy last minute etc.) I am not blaming the talent and most were worth the trouble, but it must have created some unforeseen issues. It was just unfortunate timing all around.

Again, thank you for your thoughtful reply. I just find that whole era so strange. Watching in in real time it didn't feel that bad, but when I try to figure out how a hospital story became about the mob way before that was GH's style I am always confused. Add Jax get arrested for drug smuggling, Alexis wanting Stefan to think he was in love with his sister, Laura's fake death, and Aztec dolls it's just a very hard time to analyze.

Thank you so much for all that information. This probably belongs in the Classic thread, but it's the weekend, so was it Guza's bible to do the whole Pierce Dorman murder story or did Culliton change it? I have always known RC was responsible for Carly/AJ, but I have always wondered where the Dorman/Tin Man/Rivera story went wrong. Laura's "death" was a bit before this, so I was assuming RC just messed with it too much.