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. I believe YOU, Carl. And thank you for not talking down to me like many others would. This is extremely disappointing to me. I knew all about crazy Kirk and knew that Candace is religious, but I was hoping that she was more silent majority non-bigot religious (of which there are FAR more than the far left would have anyone believe) than crazy religious right.

How the hell is CCB a true bigot? And I'm talking like REAL bigot, rather than someone who accidentally let it slip that they happen to go to church on Sunday or happens to not meet the far left criteria for "tolerant" behavior. Seriously, I do want to know where people are finding this information, because I've been a Candace fan for a while and it will disappoint me if she's as hardcore as her !@#$%^&*] brother is.

Wow, this thread has gone off the rails.

The View sucked long before Whoopi. She can be blamed for a lot, but she can't be blamed for Joy Behar wearing out her welcome. With that insulting bitch, it was bound to happen. Bill will get his eventually and it's already started.

I kind of look at Zimmer's book with a grain of salt.

I love everyone's YT skills around here! I'm still bitter over the events of the last few weeks and in no mood to discuss anything later than 1983.

Anyone who wants to throw shade at, specifically, 50-something black ex-soap actresses who do theatre, raise your hands. *crickets*

Carl, share! I'll admit, I'm still so browbeaten from the sheer awfulness of 2003-June of 2009 that I've never had the inclination to bother imagining a continuation, but as I've said, the '70s, '80s, and '90s are ripe with alternate possibilities in my head. For instance, I have always wondered what could have happened if Brent-as-Marian had done some kind of heel-face turn or face-heel turn as a result of being sexually assaulted (while in the Marian get-up) on the docks. Frank Beaty could have probably rocked an attempted redemption story, it would have toned the violence down, and Nadine at least (and maybe Cutter as well) could have been spared, since she was on her way out of town anyway.

I totally agree with you about Ross/Hope (they could have been a tentpole couple), but if you put Alan-Michael in a 7-8 year time warp between 1984-1986 and have Justin take an active part in helping raise him while Alan is lost in San Rios? The sheer dramatic irony there.

I also had an idea (totally separate from my Hope/Justin idea) where just prior to Hope's departure, she and Alan somehow fell into bed with each other (both of them probably drunk and surprisingly in a mournful, melancholy mood over the end of their marriage at the same time), but it doesn't change anything and Hope leaves immediately for New York with Alan-Michael. Four months later, Justin tells Mike that while he and Samantha are in New York for a medical conference, he'll drop in on Hope and Alan-Michael for a visit. Bert: "Oh, Justin, I wish you wouldn't do that. I just spoke to Hope last night and she's planning to bring Alan-Michael home for a visit." (In the Springfield of my dreams, Bill Bauer stayed in town after returning from the dead in 1977 and he and Bert finally reconciled and started to make a real go of their marriage for the first time throughout 1978.) Bill: "I thought she was in the middle of a job?" He and Mike are taken aback. Bert: "She said she's simply got some loose ends to tie up and she'll be here once they are." Ed, of course, is the last to find out because he's always the last Bauer to find anything out in the '70s and '80s. It turns out Hope got pregnant during that "grief?" (not the best way to describe it) sex and once she finds out, she thought about the whole sordid mess over Phillip and decides that only the truth is acceptable in this case. So she returns to Springfield with a young child Alan-Michael (not more than seven or eight years old) and faces Alan head-on with the news.

Quinton and Nola could have headlined part of that San Cristobel mess with a dig there and Nola could have provided a play-by-play snark about how of course all roads lead back to REVA Shayne. And that's just for starters. I continue to think that the snarky, sarcastic Hope of 1983 was being placed in a position to remain in Alan's life as a constant thorn in his side. One moment she plays the adoring, supportive wife when she had to and the next she was telling Alan off, reminding him that she could blow his good public image out of the water any time she wanted. I think Elvera played that even better than the more naive Hope earlier. Whoever cut her loose deserves a special place in soap hell, because it could have been fun to watch, especially if Alan sulked while being forced to watch her move on (even though he'd seemed to have moved on first). I also think Hope could have joined forces with Alexandra and would have also provided some continuity regarding how both Alan and Alex were shaped by the abuse they suffered at their father's hands. Alex's original story made it seem like she was victimized by both Brandon and Alan, when the past had already confirmed that Alan was also victimized. And then in spite of all that had passed between Alan and Hope, she could share her own goodbye with Alan similar to the one Alan and Alex shared. They share a son and Hope would still be close with Phillip and the off-screen Amanda and the exes have a bond that can't be severed no matter how much they both want to sever it. And because Alexandra tended to watch over Alan's children more than she didn't, she and Hope would remain close after Alan's exile and they would also bond over the fact that they don't regret taking Alan down, but they do feel a measure of guilt and sadness over it. I always thought had Justin been kept around, it could have been rather easy to put Justin and Hope together, whether short-term or long-term. Justin had a young daughter he desperately needed a mother figure for and Phillip had mostly liked Hope so he probably wouldn't object. And Hope had always had a healthy amount of respect for Justin and Mike would probably jump for joy at Hope getting involved with someone who wasn't Alan. Hell, Hope and Justin could become engaged just in time for Alan's 1986 return! Refresh my memory, exactly what did we get instead of something like that?

I've done so as well and you're absolutely right. I wish I had their email or something just to keep in touch and talk some more about the early '80s. I'm friendly with some of the other uploaded (not terribly much so) and you're right about CG's lack of ego. I appreciate how much they like talking about the show as well as upload it. Damn, this sucks!! 😡

It could be some of the other stuff on the same account. This is extremely vexing, whatever the reason.

Truly awesome.

Quite honestly, it's racism if a majority decides it is, no matter the original intent. Nine times out of ten the majority is right, but what happens to that person one time out of ten? Generally, bad things that are not deserved.

I had no problem believing Tony would do something like that. I was only sorry seeing how many fans he seemed to have. Tony Santos' only saving grace was his brother the priest, which was promptly squandered when Tony tried to rape Marah. I don't care how "hot" PAS or JV were, both portrayed violent criminals. Neither should have been paired up (especially with legacy characters) until AFTER overcoming those disgusting violent tendencies.

I preferred Catalina/Tony and Marah/Sam. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Tony was a thug from day one who never should have been paired with anyone unless she truly changed him for the better, which spoiled entitled Marah never did. One of the worst and most debasing conversations I ever witnessed on GL (and I have no desire to go looking for it on YT for a possible link) was Michelle and Marah discussing being "Santos women." Horrifying and disgusting, that a Bauer and a Lewis would be so debased.

*raises hand* I hate being grouped with ANG, but as what I've been told by many people a moderate conservative with liberal tendencies, I have been EXTREMELY hesitant to express some of my opinions and have (in most cases) been very careful when I did choose to express an unpopular opinion. And I've still not been quite careful enough to avoid the "you sound like a bigot" nonsense. Which honestly hurt. ETA: This Cosby situation is NOT one in which I deviate from most of you on. I want to make that clear. But there are other times that I am truly afraid that I won't explain myself well enough that you don't understand what I'm really saying or asking and will be labelled as such. I honestly try my best, because I know you're all intelligent, educated people, but I can honestly admit to some fear in posting even streams of conscienceness that bring me to better conclusions than I may have started out with.

I actually think the Labines could have worked out, or some combination of them and maybe Taggert, with a more supportive, better EP. I disliked but tolerated the Santoses until they involved Bert's house in a thuggy mob shootout. After then, I wanted them all gone and would have considered Bauer-no-longer Michelle a necessary loss if it got rid of her in-laws (except Father Ray).

The Santoses gave the Bauers NO story. Michelle ceased being a Bauer and Rick and Meta were basically irrelevant, that was all. Unless of course Meta and Abby were brought out to sing Danny's praises and Rick was somehow unreasonable because he was concerned about his sister being married to a violent criminal from a family of professional violent criminals. The only good thing about that Santos mediocrity was the Jesse and Drew coupling. Tony was a disgusting piece of garbage. I liked Father Ray and that was about it. The less said about San Cristobel, other than the tortured relationship between Richard and Edmund, the better. Yet another showcase for REVA and CASSIE to be worshipped.

Unpopular opinion warning: I agree that killing Maureen was stupid and short-sighted, but I'm so tired of hearing about it like it's the only thing that went wrong in the nineties. In my opinion, GL's wheels didn't come off until sometime between 1994-1996, when the whole thing was handed over to Reva (and to a lesser extent, Phillip and then Harley as well). There was a lot of great stuff going on before, during, and after Maureen's death. Yes, it was cruel to get rid of her in such a fashion, but I thought some of it (maybe not the events leading up) was heartbreakingly true to life in that we all suffer tragedy and sometimes horrible things happen to people who don't deserve it and the repercussions were played out over the next several years. But I do agree that Buzz was horrible and if it's true that Maureen was culled to make way for his worthless ass, THAT was the most stupid, unforgivable thing about the whole thing.

I don't know why Carl didn't like Nick, but he was too much of a self-righteous hypocrite for my taste until Nancy Bell's Susan Bates came along and made him bearable. By then, the writing was on the wall.

I've always felt that the saving grace of Jill Farren Phelps' era is the fact that that era was the last one that Springfield truly felt like a community. People on the periphery of other stories were still dropping in and there was a lot of overlap. That's probably more of a writing thing and it may very well have been a lingering effect thing from her predecessor, but once Laibson took over, it seems all the different plots were isolated from one another very quickly. Of course, I'm also finding the Alan of this time fascinating. He's genuinely trying to turn over a new leaf, but there are still so many secrets he's keeping and he doesn't trust Hope enough to entrust those secrets to her, so they were as doomed as an in-character-with-no-real-growth Roger and Holly were in 1994. Random observation: late 1996 as a whole seems pretty stale and boring. Annie never should have become the heavy so quickly. My sympathies are with her, and not Josh and Reva, despite the writers trying to make us sympathize with the lying emotional cheaters. A shame too. Josh had so much promise as his own character sans Reva for about a year there in 1994-1995. Sonni was my favorite of his wives for all that I don't actually remember that much about her.

I'm pretty ridiculously giddy about all these 1981 episodes hitting YT. I'm almost afraid to get TOO invested, because, you know, circumstances and all that could change at the drop of a hat. It would be REALLY fascinating to see Peter Simon in his first days as Ed. I think his earliest work as Ed that I've ever stumbled upon was sometime in '83. The early days of Kelly and Morgan's wedding is fascinating to me as well. I saw a lot of their tortured pre-marriage stuff, and I know how it all ended, but I'm loving seeing some of the early marriage. Seeing the wretched state of the last four standing (though B&B and DAYS aren't as bad off as Y&R and the perennially ridiculous-and-not-in-a-good-way GH are), I can't help but be thankful that GL still had a lot of goodwill going for it when it was canceled and the amount of material that's surfaced since then. Even Mike on YT is planning to go back and fill in full episodes around the years (1989-December 1994) for which he's only posted clips as yet.

Scott Hoxby guest-starring in an episode of Acapulco H.E.A.T. from around 1993. It's a Manchurian Candidate style plot. He had the rug, but it wasn't as ridiculous as the one he had on GL a little later on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK2dQHU3Mro I'm not sure why this isn't embedding properly.