will81
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Hey everyone. Some more Jill clips not included in the vault uploads. The first a collection of scenes from Jun/Jul 1984. The second is two clips, one from when Ashley fired Lindsey and another from when Lindsey confronts Jill and Jack after Jack reveals all about the wedding. Chunks of this are seen in vid 60a but this clip has bits cut out If anyone is missing the scenes from Jul 84 when Dina and Jill wait for John and the outcome of the contested divorce, I can upload those too.
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Yes it was a riff on Rosemary's Baby. I used to think once Nikki found out Jack used her to get Jabot back, the marriage would have ended, no saving of Victoria and no Jack redeemed. BUT if Traci had still returned and Ashley had still married Victor, maybe Bell would have kept them together and things may have played out somewhat the same. Bill Bell said he sometimes planned a year in advance, and sometimes only a few weeks in advance. Kay Alden said as long as a married couple are interesting, they would keep them married. I think Jack may have cheated and done other scoundrel type things, but yeah I now think Bell would have seen the potential of keeping Jack/Nikki/Victor and Ashley in the same orbit.
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In the Jill compilation I posted you see when Jill announces her pregnancy to the family, Jack quietly says "I'm sure glad you were pregnant before we spent that night in the cabin" the look on Jill's face was priceless. She had told Kay in October that she was already pregnant, then hoped to get pregnant. Kay confronts her in Dec and Jill faints and finds out she really is pregnant. Lindsey believed Jill's baby was Jack's, she was the only one I think that assumed it. The miscarriage I think really was about the chance of the baby being genetically deformed. Though in a later scene Lindsey brings up the fact that Jill also managed to dodge a bullet by losing the baby since she believed it to be Jack's
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No not at all. John also never made the connection that Jill's pregnancy may have been from Jack, I figured he would at least be suspicious once he knew she had an affair in November and announced her pregnancy in December, even though everyone believed she was pregnant from October. Ashley saw Jill and Marc together once and questioned Jill, but Jill managed to convince her nothing was going on, Lindsey also saw them together but didn't do anything about it, Jill managed to keep this one hidden from the cameras, haha.
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Thanks so much for that great in depth information. I love hearing about behind the scenes production elements of the soaps, had always wondered about Y&R's production model. Y&R always came across as a little more polished than other soaps to my eye. Marc also had a brief affair with Jill in 1984 when Jill was convinced John was carrying on with Dina
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I wonder also if it has to do with how isolated the Y&R cast were in story. Many of the main long running cast had little chance to work with each other, and probably rarely saw actors that were not in their characters story spheres. I know Eileen/Beth/Jerry and Terry were all super close, but they spent most of their time together. Tracey B and Beth were also friendly and Kimberlin and Tracey B also seemed to have had at least a close working relationship as well. Through the 90's Peter was mostly isolated to The Abbotts and Newman's. Maybe none of them liked him, haha, but they all secretly got together when he wasn't around. Jokes Everyone loved Jeanne too and many cast are still friendly with each other. Brenda D has been seen with a few different ex and current cast members and it seems Eileen and Brenda Epperson became friends as well. I think on set it was just a serious business, and that may have had to do with how Bell ran the show back then. He was very specific about how scripts should be performed and according to Jeanne they were given six or seven takes to do it (not sure which period of the show this was, I know on the 70's it was apparently live to tape) Not sure about other shows but Y&R always seemed like a heavy production load for the actors. They were probably sick of seeing each other.
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No worries, yeah I wasn't sure if people had seen these or not. Also loved seeing Leslie, Peggy, Chris and Lorie all together in the lastest vault upload. I know it has been posted before, but for some reason I never remembered that Lorie and Leslie discuss Lance and BROOKS!!!!! so he went to Switzerland with Leslie.
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Thanks for that. Yes I think the second Max first appears around Spring 1983 when Julia is at Gina's and almost chokes, he could have appeared prior though. The first Max seems to be there at least until Jan 83
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Does it say who the two different Max's were (Eve's boyfriend) I always forget, plus I never realised there were two different actors in the role
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Same. I remember Bill Bell saying he recommended Days producers look at Diedre for the role of Marlena as he had no more story left for her at Y&R. When he would see her, once she was on the show, he said she wasn't at all friendly to him. He would say hello and she would just ignore him. Seems she always had an attitude.
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She even tried to hire Jazz to bump her off in 1984, lol. I would love to see that scene Jill's story was short. She gets caught, helps Kay get back on her feet and that is that. Ends by May/June 76 and the Derek Thurston story starts up, but was halted after 8 weeks or so and revisited a year later in spring/summer 1977 after Jill had been dating David Mallory, the man who got Bill Foster's corneas. Suzanne rocks up around 1978 and starts gaslighting Kay around 1979. That story went on for most of 1979.
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Yeah GH was so up and down pre-Marland and Monty. It is fascinating. I really want to get to know it better. I am fairly obssessed with soaps in general between 68 - 82. Just haven't had the time to read more than Y&R stuff at this point.
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Thanks @FrenchFan for all this effort to share. Love the extra pages as well.
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Is it possible he moved out after the whole paternity suit. He was pretty upset with Kay or maybe after the previous lawsuit that made Jill and Phillip's marriage void
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I think BD's Jill would have kept you guessing, is she frightened for John or herself or both. That's what I preferred about her. You could never be quite sure. Jess did say once Jill was a sociopath, not sure I believe that, but let's face it, Jill always looked out for one person. Herself. In 1985 when Jill got kicked out of the Abbott home. Jill cries her heart out to John "I love you, you are the most amazing man, I will miss you" she walks out lof the house and with a cold steely look vows to take John to the cleaners. This is the Jill I have always liked.
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Apparently there was a fire when the boys (Lance and Lucas) were young. I can't remember who was at fault. Maybe Lucas???? She wore it from day one. Lorie pushed Vanessa to have surgery as she felt Vanessa was using her scars as a way to hold on to Lance. At one point Lorie and Lucas were convinced Vanessa had already had surgery and confronted her and made her show her face. She hadn't had surgery and was so humiliated she swore revenge on Lorie by publishing her (Lorie's) book which led to Leslie and Lance sleeping together and little Brooks coming along. Vanessa did have the surgery eventually around 1978 or 1979 I think
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I definitely got the Y&R one from ebay at some point. This seems to be it, but it can't b the full magazine, so who knows what I did with it. I wish had I had taken better care of things. I'll post this to the FB group too Part 2 I agree about Brenda and Jill, but I loved the ice in her veins Jill. The Ice Princess/Queen stuff she does is so good. That smile and soft voice, with those eyes that look like they will eviscerate you at any moment, wish Brenda had kept this style instead of the over the top Alexis Carrington routine that would come later. I do really like Deborah too though and would have been fine if she had stayed. I never found Jill to be a warm character though. Even in the Jan 74 episode you can tell she feels above it all and is just waiting for her opportunity to walk out the door of that shabby house and never look back
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I really like Andrea and she did an amazing job, but it is hard to watch her play out those scenes. Lilibet was there for the two years of build up when Patty and Jack were involved (81-83), so it is a slight let down, but isn't Andrea's fault, you really still feel for her and she is chilling in the shooting scene. If Lilibet had stayed for a few more months and then Andrea took over, I think the recast would have been more successful. Julia is great, and I wonder if Meg was writing for the show at this point You can see from 1982 (Maybe once Bell knew JLB was leaving) that Nikki becomes a real focal point. in the 82/83 and 83/84 seasons it is really Nikki/Victor/Bancrofts The Abbots and the Williams. Nikki was such a main draw and had a lot of story I will always prefer Brenda, she isn't the better actress, she just inhabits the role so completely that everything she does is Jill to me. Only after Who Shot Jill wrapped up do I wish Deborah was back or Jess had taken over already. Though Jill does push Liz to go back to work for Kay to spy for her when she is convinced Kay and DIna are plotting to destroy her marriage, so I guess she got over that, haha The magazine she holds up at 11min I have or had, I wonder if I can find it.
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It is still mostly Victor/Nikki/Julia/Kevin etc. There is still a bunch edited out. No full episodes, 1982 had at least a couple of full episodes. The only big sequence we get not attached to Victor/Nikki is the Patty shooting Jack recreation. I was hoping for more Abbott family stuff, but not much is there. We don't get any Kay/Jill at all really, apart from brief glimpses
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