Mr. Vixen

I mean she has held him accountable. That entire spectacle at the restaurant, and her not speaking to him after. She has acknowledged he's not lily white

I commend Mal for defending someone she dislikes. I just think her opinion is mostly wrong and irrelevant lol. Still, shaming someone for "spreading their legs for a convict" is just as much an attack of character as calling someone a slut. Just cause she didn't say she fucked 12 convicts doesn't make the remark any less rude.

Idk, Kenya has made comments about Phae "spreading her legs for a convict" too so I don't see her as some pillar of above the belt shade.

She also thinks "breaking up a fight" = shoving Kandi and Todd so I'm gonna go ahead and take her opinion for what it's worth. About as much as her cheap weave. Nothing. She's trying too hard to get on this show.

So is belittling someone for their weight and choice in spouse. Phaedra should watch what she says but so should Kenya. There's that double standard again, but when it's in Kenya's favor nobody notices...hmm.

Well this is all pre-filmed so Phaedras stuck cause she said what she said and it's gonna air either way

Eh, to me it's the same as Kenya's constant digs at Apollo's prison days. Can't always escape your past. Star was a villain, she just wasn't as open about it like Omarosa was. Nene called Starr for what she was - a rat. Nobody, literally nobody, on that show liked Starr. Nene still speaks to people from the show (including Latoya and the very sweet Marlee), so I think that's very telling.

I think they have every right to tell Kenya not to get out her seat! Just like Kandi CHECKED Cynthia for getting too close to her, Kenya deserved to be checked for charging, walking towards, etc. Natalie. Kenya is not responsible for the men's actions, of course not. But her mouth and actions are what set it into motion, for the most part. I can't at you defending Starr. Everyone on that show, including ultra-sweet Marlee Matlin, hated Starr. She was a manipulative bully and Nene was justified in everything she said to her. There's a reason Donald loves Nene so much.

They'll go in on her when this topic comes up. They all went in on her at the tea party and I don't see why that would change at the reunion. Cynthia and Nene will definitely drag her, Phaedra will throw shade. Kandi will tell it like it is (which will involve her shading Kenya, just like last night). Porsha will be the one in the middle, trying to be rational - and even she will imply Kenya is to blame.

I have to wonder who will come out better in Nene vs. Marlo. A lot of fans already dislike Marlo (I know that doesn't seem to be the case on this board, but it is true - and I'm not saying that as a Nene stan, I do love Marlo), so it will be interesting to see. I have to say based on what we know, I can't blame Nene for being pissed. Do you like it when your "friends" run around talking to people you don't like just to stay relevant? It's not as if Kenya and Marlo were friends beforehand, in fact Kenya only met Marlo because of Nene. So I smell some shady behavior and I feel, as sick as it makes me to say it, Diana may have been (Somewhat) right about Marlo. Only time shall tell.

Sorry, I misread your post. You're right, on all counts. I think the difference is this - Christopher got out of his seat, but he was not in Kenya's face, or even walking towards her. He was wrong to stand and talk down to her but if you re-watch, he was nowhere near her. That's the difference. Kenya got up to get in Natalie's face. Chris did not get up to get into Kenya's.

Lol how is Christopher supposed to "hold back his wife not Kenya" when Natalie never got up! I hate Natalie as much as you all do, but it was necessary for someone to get in-between Natalie/Kenya. Chris shouldn't have grabbed her, true. But she makes it seem like he punched her in the face. As for Nene and Cynthia falling out, Cynthia just went and sat front row to watch Nene at Fashion Week and they've both been posting pictures with each other/tweeting each other so any falling out or argument they may have had has long since been resolved, seemingly. Y'all are in for a rude awakening because Kenya is gonna get DRAGGED at the reunion. It would be a different story if people were also against Nene but seeing as they're all putting the blame on Kenya for this, Kenya is gonna get clowned. Last year when Kenya was actually CORRECT in the Phaedra vs. Kenya debate, she couldn't even properly defend herself. She is doomed against these bitches.

Okay, I have to say this upfront and I know none of you will believe it, but it's the truth. I went into this 100% ready to hate Nene and think she was wrong, based on what you guys were saying. And I'm sorry, I just do not see it…at all. I guess I'll just jump in with the homophobic stuff - really? I think it's a huge reach and stretch to try and imply that Nene Leakes is homophobic. She's a lot of things, but I do not think or believe for a MINUTE that she is homophobic (nor does she think "gays are below her" - come on now, what the [!@#$%^&*]?). She's also not stupid. She knows two gay men are responsible for her success and I don't think she would ever say anything that she meant in a derogatory fashion. Yes she called Brandon a queen. Was it necessary and PC? No - but do we not remember just two years ago when Andy himself told Marlo to call people queens and not f-gs?Nene was never gonna do anything to make Andy mad, she's very smart. It was unnecessary of Nene but it hardly makes her a homophobe. She just appeared on a giant float in a gay pride parade a few months ago, the gay-hating bitch! As for blaming Kenya, I think it is VERY telling that not one of the other ladies defended Kenya. Like Nene said, they are all in agreement about the situation and doesn't that say something? Whether more happened that didn't make the cut, or whether we saw everything, the fact of the matter is, these women all seem to agree that Kenya's mouth and actions set this into action. You can argue and say "oh well of course they agree with Nene, they dislike Kenya" but please remember, they aren't friends with Nene either. Sure, Cynthia is but Nene just humiliated Porsha at an event last week and made it clear they aren't close anymore so it's not like Porsha would be ride or die for Nene. Kandi and Nene don't get a long at all, and she was on Nene's side and said as much. Phaedra acknowledged Apollo's part in it and STILL agreed with Nene. To me, that's very telling. Most of these ladies do not have a reason to ride for Nene and take Nene's side. There's nothing for them to gain from it, yet there they were. Especially Kandi. She and Nene dislike each other and she DOES get along with Kenya, yet she was siding with Nene. Very suspect, if you ask me. Is Nene lily white? No, she stirs [!@#$%^&*] like it's a profession. But we all know the producers wrote those questions. This stems back to CYNTHIA, who has really shown her ass this year, running her mouth. But Kenya's choice to involve her irrelevant self into someone else's "marriage" caused this whole issue. There is plenty of blame to be spread around, but Kenya is responsible for most of it. Another thing - Kenya is super great at doing these sassy, "shady" reads in her talking heads but she cannot, CANNOT, defend herself in person. Like Phaedra said, her mouth writes checks her ass can't cash. Here's my breakdown: Nene - She has a right to be mad at Kenya, and I probably would be to. Is she blameless? No - she was looking for verbal sparring and tea spillage, but cannot be blamed for what happened. She gets points IMO for defending Kandi. And JP, you can question her motives but while they were having tea, Nene yet *again* defended Kandi and threw Mal under the bus. VERY telling. Kenya - She needs to own her [!@#$%^&*]. Yes, Christopher grabbed you. Should he have? No. But what man was going to sit there and watch someone charge (yes, charge) at his wife? He didn't handle it correctly but Kenya blew it out of proportion and so did Brandon - though I respect him for defending her. Kandi - Flawless. Her getting turnt was great and I love that she was a big enough person to admit it and apologize. Love that she sees Kenya's to blame as well. Phaedra - Love her loyalty to Kandi. She should have read Apollo a bit more about his involvement, for sure. Porsha - Not super relevant this week, but I appreciated her trying to diffuse the situation at the tea. Cynthia - Showed her ass and looks terrible this season. She talks a lot, and throws MAD shade, but never owns it. She's been doing it for years if you think about it and it's finally catching up to her. Cannot wait for next week, I wonder what has Nene and Peter going at it. First thoughts: Why the [!@#$%^&*] is Marlo at the salon with Kenya? The two made it clear at that point they were NOT friends. At that time she was Nene's friend and it is not appropriate for her to be hanging out with Kenya like that, or at least that's how it comes across based on the preview. Shady shady.

Still - she could have sat down and done nothing. She looked out for Kandi and Todd and no matter what her reasoning was, I respected it.

Watching now, so far I'm still on the part I already saw in the preview. I just have to say, again, that I LOVED that Nene went to comfort/calm down Kandi and left Cynthia/Mal/Peter's hood asses to the side where they belonged. I thought that was very sweet, considering Nene and Kandi don't get along. I also liked that Nene was looking out for Todd and went to get Phaedra/Kandi to help him…. As for the rest of Nene's actions, I haven't seen them yet so I can't judge. I adore Kandi, and it can't be said enough.

Yes, I thought it was very telling and sweet that Nene tried to calm Kandi down. I would have expected her to stay out of it or stand by Cynthia but she went right over to Kandi to try and calm her down. Love it. I think it was when Mal and Kandi were going at it, they shot the camera to Lexis who was lounging on the bean bag sipping a drink. Fabulous.

Love the Atlanta preview Hate to say it but I'm really starting to dislike Cynthia. I was having a conversation with some friends and we all realized that Cynthia runs her mouth a LOT and always plays innocent. All this mess started with her running her mouth on the bus and for once it came back to bight her. I love Kandi. I also loved how Nene clearly seemed to be team Kandi, at least to me. I liked her telling Kandi "You are better than this Kandi", and trying to help her out of the room. She obviously has no use for Mal. Cheap you are gonna die when you watch - There's just a clip of Lexis chilling on the couch drinking a margarita during the whole thing. Perfect.

Wow. I wish Elizabeth had backhanded that !@#$%^&*] over the back of the couch.

That's what I've been saying!

Reliving the epic RHONJ right now: Danielle: "Don't call me honey" Teresa: "I don't wanna call you honey. Cause you are OLD, hag! Bitch…There, is that better? IS BITCH BETTAHHHHH?!"

Hell must be chilly today cause I totally agree with this. Not excusing Polanski in the slightest but you have to take into account his past on some level.

Damn who is the baby daddy?!

That sucks SFK! I want to see ALW as Chloe! I wish those scenes would leak somewhere.

Lol you know me too well! I have no use for her! She is a vile human being.

Sherri Shepherd shut that down like a pro. Good for her. One of the few times where she sounded very, very smart. Barbara is so ignorant. She's seen him be nice to his daughters so he's automatically innocent? What a dumb !@#$%^&*]. Way to turn a blind eye, you old nasty bitch.